LOST: Season 5

Poncier

tvismyfriend wrote:

Solat13 wrote:

So Locke's still dead, Jacob's dead, and the island blew up. Great cliffhangers to discuss for 9 months.

Don't forget who was that guy talking to Jacob in the opening and how did he look like Locke? Also, if he had the ability to look like Locke, then was he also appearing as Christian?

I'm going on the assumption that Jacob's "buddy" can take on the appearance of anyone who's body is on the island, and he was obviously Locke last night, and has been Christian in the past as well as Alex talking to Benry a couple of weeks ago, Yemmi and others who we've seen over the past 5 years.

So is his buddy the devil or Satan's Little Helper (Pit pun intended), and Jacob is an angel or something?
And he can't kill Jacob himself, so had to enlist Benry to wield the knife.

And also...its one thing for this site to be down during ticket onsales, but damn crashing the morning after the Lost finale should never happen, Kat and Sea of all people should know this.

tybird

scb wrote:

tvismyfriend wrote:

Solat13 wrote:

So Locke's still dead, Jacob's dead, and the island blew up. Great cliffhangers to discuss for 9 months.

Don't forget who was that guy talking to Jacob in the opening and how did he look like Locke? Also, if he had the ability to look like Locke, then was he also appearing as Christian?

Does anyone else think that guy is the smoke moster?

Yes....I believe that is quite possible.....does/did Smokey ever touch any of the Losties visited by Jacob????

nfanel

Poncier wrote:

I'm going on the assumption that Jacob's "buddy" can take on the appearance of anyone who's body is on the island, and he was obviously Locke last night, and has been Christian in the past as well as Alex talking to Benry a couple of weeks ago, Yemmi and others who we've seen over the past 5 years.

So is his buddy the devil or Satan's Little Helper (Pit pun intended), and Jacob is an angel or something?
And he can't kill Jacob himself, so had to enlist Benry to wield the knife.

an angel...that's interesting. i was saying this morning that i need to brush up on my bible knowledge. i took a class in college and remember jacob had a jealous brother...but i forget their whole story. there were a lot of biblical references last night. he looked like an angel, the way he put his hand on locke to 'heal' him. so are any of these people going to remember meeting jacob?

Poncier wrote:

And also...its one thing for this site to be down during ticket onsales, but damn crashing the morning after the Lost finale should never happen, Kat and Sea of all people should know this.

seriously!!

Solat13

Poncier wrote:

And also...its one thing for this site to be down during ticket onsales, but damn crashing the morning after the Lost finale should never happen, Kat and Sea of all people should know this.

Totally agree.

I'm glad Phil met his demise last night, but I kinda wanted Sawyer to take him out instead of the electromagnetic field.

So who was the big death last night? I had read a couple of things on EW before the finale that a big death was going to be part of the episode or a major character. Was it Sayid, Juliet or finding out that Locke is really dead?

And if the bomb changed history, does that mean Jacob is still alive? Because if 815 crashes, Locke never gets to the island, never dies, never gets possessed and never convinces Ben to kill Jacob because Ben would have died in the explosion in 1977.

Poncier

nfanel wrote:

an angel...that's interesting. i was saying this morning that i need to brush up on my bible knowledge. i took a class in college and remember jacob had a jealous brother...but i forget their whole story. there were a lot of biblical references last night. he looked like an angel, the way he put his hand on locke to 'heal' him. so are any of these people going to remember meeting jacob?

My Biblical knowledge has shrunken to near nil over the years, all that popped into my head was this line from U2's "Bullet the Blue Sky":

Jacob wrestled the angel and the angel was overcome

I'm a good Catholic...not.

Solat13

nfanel wrote:

Poncier wrote:

I'm going on the assumption that Jacob's "buddy" can take on the appearance of anyone who's body is on the island, and he was obviously Locke last night, and has been Christian in the past as well as Alex talking to Benry a couple of weeks ago, Yemmi and others who we've seen over the past 5 years.

So is his buddy the devil or Satan's Little Helper (Pit pun intended), and Jacob is an angel or something?
And he can't kill Jacob himself, so had to enlist Benry to wield the knife.

an angel...that's interesting. i was saying this morning that i need to brush up on my bible knowledge. i took a class in college and remember jacob had a jealous brother...but i forget their whole story. there were a lot of biblical references last night. he looked like an angel, the way he put his hand on locke to 'heal' him. so are any of these people going to remember meeting jacob?

From what I remember, Jacob's older brother was Esau. They were the sons of Isaac and Jacob was the younger brother. Jacob was Isaac's father favorite but Esau was in line to inherit everything because he was the older.

Esau came back from hunting one night and was really hungry and Jacob had made some food but wouldn't give any to his brother unless he sold him his birthrite. So when Isaac died, Jacob impersonated Esau to get his inheritance and then fathered 12 sons by 2 wives and those became the 12 tribes or Israel.

(Taking bible classes were easy electives in college - especially at a non-Catholic college after 13 years of Catholic grade and high school.)

rrivers

ABC went out on my TV for about 45 seconds when Ben and "Locke" walked into Jacob's house. I thought they went "The Sopranos" route...

Poncier

Solat13 wrote:

From what I remember, Jacob's older brother was Esau. They were the sons of Isaac and Jacob was the younger brother. Jacob was Isaac's father

:?:
Grandfather Paradox or typo?

Solat13

Poncier wrote:

Solat13 wrote:

From what I remember, Jacob's older brother was Esau. They were the sons of Isaac and Jacob was the younger brother. Jacob was Isaac's father

:?:
Grandfather Paradox or typo?

I meant to put favorite there and then put it into the next sentence ... lol.

Let me fix that.

MayDay10

Jacob dying might mean that Whitmore and Eloise can return, and probably means that Ben is supposed to/'can' be there again. They (Whitmore and Eloise) may have been working toward this as their plan?

Sayid is the skeleton in the Dharma van found in 2004?

tvismyfriend

MayDay10 wrote:

Jacob dying might mean that Whitmore and Eloise can return, and probably means that Ben is supposed to/'can' be there again. They (Whitmore and Eloise) may have been working toward this as their plan?

Sayid is the skeleton in the Dharma van found in 2004?

The uniform of the skeleton in 2004 said Roger on it.

MayDay10

tvismyfriend wrote:

MayDay10 wrote:

Jacob dying might mean that Whitmore and Eloise can return, and probably means that Ben is supposed to/'can' be there again. They (Whitmore and Eloise) may have been working toward this as their plan?

Sayid is the skeleton in the Dharma van found in 2004?

The uniform of the skeleton in 2004 said Roger on it.

Ah, thats right. I think the skeleton of horace was found in the pit full of skeletons.

tybird

tvismyfriend wrote:

MayDay10 wrote:

Jacob dying might mean that Whitmore and Eloise can return, and probably means that Ben is supposed to/'can' be there again. They (Whitmore and Eloise) may have been working toward this as their plan?

Sayid is the skeleton in the Dharma van found in 2004?

The uniform of the skeleton in 2004 said Roger on it.

....and it was from the timeline where Ben had the Dharma folks killed.....starting with dear ole' Dad.

pjsteelerfan

rrivers wrote:

pjsteelerfan wrote:

One thing lost does better than most shows is they are not afraid to kill someone off to move the story

This is mentioned so much here. I can think of a lot of shows that kill people off.

Hence "most" and not "all". "The Wire" was another show I liked where they had not probelme killing people. And not all shows are willing to kill off characters that are pretty major at the time. If they did kill Juliet and Sayid, that is a risk not a lot of shows take.

pjsteelerfan

Poncier wrote:

tvismyfriend wrote:

Solat13 wrote:

So Locke's still dead, Jacob's dead, and the island blew up. Great cliffhangers to discuss for 9 months.

Don't forget who was that guy talking to Jacob in the opening and how did he look like Locke? Also, if he had the ability to look like Locke, then was he also appearing as Christian?

I'm going on the assumption that Jacob's "buddy" can take on the appearance of anyone who's body is on the island, and he was obviously Locke last night, and has been Christian in the past as well as Alex talking to Benry a couple of weeks ago, Yemmi and others who we've seen over the past 5 years.

So is his buddy the devil or Satan's Little Helper (Pit pun intended), and Jacob is an angel or something?
And he can't kill Jacob himself, so had to enlist Benry to wield the knife.

And also...its one thing for this site to be down during ticket onsales, but damn crashing the morning after the Lost finale should never happen, Kat and Sea of all people should know this.

I think Jacob and the other guy may be the classic good vs evil thing- Jacob had the free will vibe going where his rival was activly trying to force peoples actions.

pjsteelerfan

Solat13 wrote:

Poncier wrote:

And also...its one thing for this site to be down during ticket onsales, but damn crashing the morning after the Lost finale should never happen, Kat and Sea of all people should know this.

Totally agree.

I'm glad Phil met his demise last night, but I kinda wanted Sawyer to take him out instead of the electromagnetic field.

So who was the big death last night? I had read a couple of things on EW before the finale that a big death was going to be part of the episode or a major character. Was it Sayid, Juliet or finding out that Locke is really dead?

And if the bomb changed history, does that mean Jacob is still alive? Because if 815 crashes, Locke never gets to the island, never dies, never gets possessed and never convinces Ben to kill Jacob because Ben would have died in the explosion in 1977.

I have a feeling Miles may have been right when he said they were catually causing the "Incident" they have been trying to stop by using the Bomb.

rrivers

pjsteelerfan wrote:

rrivers wrote:

pjsteelerfan wrote:

One thing lost does better than most shows is they are not afraid to kill someone off to move the story

This is mentioned so much here. I can think of a lot of shows that kill people off.

Hence "most" and not "all". "The Wire" was another show I liked where they had not probelme killing people. And not all shows are willing to kill off characters that are pretty major at the time. If they did kill Juliet and Sayid, that is a risk not a lot of shows take.

ER has killed characters. The West Wing, The Sopranos. People here act like Lost is the only show to ever kill a character, and they have killed characters that are peripheral, ie Shannon, Boone, Charlie. Not main ie Jack, Kate, Ben... They killed Locke, but he's still in the show so it doesn't really count.

I know these shows are dated, but I don't watch any other new shows outside of Lost.

Black Diamond

Do you think Aaron is the second coming of Jacob??

Back in Season 2, I think, wasn't Claire in her dream sequence, the mother Mary?

pjsteelerfan

Black Diamond wrote:

Do you think Aaron is the second coming of Jacob??

Back in Season 2, I think, wasn't Claire in her dream sequence, the mother Mary?

I think Aaron and Desmond will both have roles to play

Pauk

It'd be kinda cool if the other guy with Jacob at the beginning of the episode was the real Henry Gale. I know that's a speculation without the slightest bit of evidence, but I want to put it out there in case I can salvage some bragging points if it comes true.