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Is it to early to say i told you so about Obama?

pjalive21pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
edited February 2009 in A Moving Train
the wheels are already starting to fall off and we havent even hit inaugaration...way to do the research people before voting for him

Rahm Immanuel...enough said

Leon Panetta (CIA Chief of Staff)...Mr. CIA budget cuts that will do absolutely nothing to help prevent terrorism or gather information

Obama planning to end Bush defense techniques that have prevented a terror attack on our soil in 7 years just so he looks more favorable to other countries

Dems announcing today they are jumping ship from Obama's proposed tax cuts

Obama sending more troops instead of bringing them home

see the pattern..i could keep going but i dont want to put all the eggs in the basket before the man is actually president

if you want to add more...feel free :)
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    LizardLizard So Cal Posts: 12,071
    Yes---in answer to your thread title.
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    pateljampateljam Posts: 340
    pjalive21 wrote:
    the wheels are already starting to fall off and we havent even hit inaugaration...way to do the research people before voting for him

    Rahm Immanuel...enough said

    Leon Panetta (CIA Chief of Staff)...Mr. CIA budget cuts that will do absolutely nothing to help prevent terrorism or gather information

    Obama planning to end Bush defense techniques that have prevented a terror attack on our soil in 7 years just so he looks more favorable to other countries

    Dems announcing today they are jumping ship from Obama's proposed tax cuts

    Obama sending more troops instead of bringing them home

    see the pattern..i could keep going but i dont want to put all the eggs in the basket before the man is actually president

    if you want to add more...feel free :)

    You do have some really good points, however just can't image what nonsense McCain would have done...
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    pjalive21pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    let me make it clear i dont think McCain was the answer either so im with you on that one
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    butterfly1butterfly1 Posts: 372
    ha ha
    lets see if he adds Bob Rubin to his team now that Rubin needs a new gig.
    and i voted for Obama.
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    know1know1 Posts: 6,763
    Yes - it is too early. But give it 90 days to 6 months and people will see all the hype was over the status quo.
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    Flutter GirlFlutter Girl Posts: 548
    he wants to print new money to dole it out to all of us in the hopes we'll go on spending sprees, and he thinks he is working for us? somehow I doubt putting us in deeper debt will do us any good. If he wants to do something right he would do a one time bailout....for the homeowners, not the banks. Pay off the homes that are behind and/or going into foreclosure. Not fair to those who have to continue paying their mortgages, but it's a means to an end. The banks get their money, we have extra money to start spending again, and even more bailouts in the future won't be necessary.
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    pjalive21pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    UPDATE::::

    he just nominated Tim Geithner to be Secretary of the Treasury, who owes the IRS over a million dollars for not paying taxes two years in the early 2000's...he also has ties to Chiquita, yes the banana company that has be funding terrorism (AUC) with money and guns to protect its workers from being attacked while working...i guess this is the "change" B.O. was talking about
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    JJ46837JJ46837 Posts: 7
    pjalive21 wrote:
    UPDATE::::

    he just nominated Tim Geithner to be Secretary of the Treasury, who owes the IRS over a million dollars for not paying taxes two years in the early 2000's...he also has ties to Chiquita, yes the banana company that has be funding terrorism (AUC) with money and guns to protect its workers from being attacked while working...i guess this is the "change" B.O. was talking about

    he owed $34,000. which he paid.
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    BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,292
    Is it too early to say "Give him a freaking chance before you jump down his throat, or at least give him a single solitary day in the oval office before assuming he's going to be a train wreck"?
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    vduboisevduboise Posts: 1,937
    yes- it is too early. He hasn't done anything yet!!! He can't do anything until he is in office.

    I agree- give it 90 days to see what steps/moves/decisions he's making- then give an opinion.
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    YieldInHidingYieldInHiding Posts: 1,840
    So once he is sworn in, is that when he is going to rip off the suit to reveal cleric robes and put a turban on his head?

    Give the guy a chance to accomplish something. I'm sure all of Bush's appointments were squeaky clean back in 2000. :roll:
    No longer overwhelmed it seems so simple now.
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,751
    YieldInHiding wrote:
    So once he is sworn in, is that when he is going to rip off the suit to reveal cleric robes and put a turban on his head?

    Give the guy a chance to accomplish something. I'm sure all of Bush's appointments were squeaky clean back in 2000. :roll:

    For real , He's coming in at an opportune time to get some things done. Allow him the space to do what he's going to do.
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    BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,292
    mickeyrat wrote:
    For real , He's coming in at an opportune time to get some things done. Allow him the space to do what he's going to do.


    I just find it amusing that people are already ready for Obama to fail. Way to be an optimist. Do they just want to be able to say "I told you so"? Or is it just sour grapes because their boy and his she-devil sidekick, or their 3rd party candidate who didn't receive enough votes to win mayor in a town of 15 people didn't win?
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    tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    Give the man 100 days.....I agree that some of the shine is rubbing off with losing picks....Hilldog....and the Treasury guy...which someone dropped the ball on during background checks.
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    WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    if he fails we all fail
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    tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    pjalive21 wrote:
    UPDATE::::

    he just nominated Tim Geithner to be Secretary of the Treasury, who owes the IRS over a million dollars for not paying taxes two years in the early 2000's...he also has ties to Chiquita, yes the banana company that has be funding terrorism (AUC) with money and guns to protect its workers from being attacked while working...i guess this is the "change" B.O. was talking about
    Hmmmm....Chiquita=U.S. Fruit....not good
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    CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,219
    pjalive21 wrote:
    let me make it clear i dont think McCain was the answer either so im with you on that one
    ...
    Wait... so, you lambast people who voted for Obama... because they 'didn't do their research' on him before the election... and you didn't and don't support McCain, right?
    Who did you vote for... Ralph Nader or Stephen Colbert?
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    adropintheparkadropinthepark Posts: 475
    I'm guessing it will always be too early.
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    Flutter GirlFlutter Girl Posts: 548
    bananas..yucky..too sweet and mushy.

    Obama was already given a chance. He promised 'change we can believe in' (yea used the same slogan when running for senator)...namely he promised lowering taxes. Once in office, he never lowered them. He voted often to raise them, tho ;)

    It's not like he's coming from nowhere with no record to show us what kind of politician he is.
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    CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    RM291946 wrote:
    bananas..yucky..too sweet and mushy.

    Obama was already given a chance. He promised 'change we can believe in' (yea used the same slogan when running for senator)...namely he promised lowering taxes. Once in office, he never lowered them. He voted often to raise them, tho ;)

    It's not like he's coming from nowhere with no record to show us what kind of politician he is.
    that's typical orwellian. remember george bush 1 saying "read my lips-no new taxes". yeah he raised them. all politicians do that shit.

    what got so many people behind Obama is that he promised diplomacy insteded of bombs. he promised to work for main street instead of wall street. and on, he ran on a great platform/.


    his picks in his cabinet have me worried, but to answer the op, YES it is too early to say I told you so. if he bombs Iran or signs another gazillion dollar bailout to wallstreet we can tell him to fuck off, but as it is, he isn't even prez yet.

    I say give him a chance.
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    Flutter GirlFlutter Girl Posts: 548
    I'm actually going to agree..I want him to turn out okay..It's just hard looking at his old record and everything else.

    At the very beginning I backed him, till he made the choices I mentioned in my own thread..And also I had written to him asking what he would do for folk with disorders like bipolar cos we catch hell trying to get medicaid (I'm on my 10th app for it..and stuck not being allowed to work) after he first started talking bout health care, back when his campaign was so small I actually got a personal response from him. He, in political talk, said he understands but in't gonna do shit.

    Then later on that talk about social health care, and spread the wealth. My fam is from former soviet Latvia, and I am from socialist Germany. social health care is shit, and we know all too well what sharing the wealth means. If you work hard for it, you should be allowed to keep it. You rightfully earned it.

    Then now with his new choices, plans for the troops and that rebellion against him by his own party..It's getting to be too much
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    pjalive21pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    yes the man is allowed his 100 days but when are people going to question Obama's DECISION MAKING!!!! He appoints two people to his office Bill Richardson and Geithner who end up when other people do background checks on these guys are frauds, then Obama comes out AFTERWARD and says "its an embarassment"...for who exactly President Obama? i would say more an embarassment to him for being clueless on who he is electing and officials
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    pjalive21pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    Cosmo wrote:
    pjalive21 wrote:
    let me make it clear i dont think McCain was the answer either so im with you on that one
    ...
    Wait... so, you lambast people who voted for Obama... because they 'didn't do their research' on him before the election... and you didn't and don't support McCain, right?
    Who did you vote for... Ralph Nader or Stephen Colbert?

    I voted for McCain because of the two choices, well more if you count independents, because i thought he was better for the protection of this country as well as having plenty of experience compared to the enormous list of things about Obama which are right in front of people faces that they ignored because they wanted to be "a part of history"

    McCain's economic policy wasnt good but if he surrounded himself with good appointees he could have been find, as we are finding about Obama the people he is surrounding himself with are frauds
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    BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,292
    pjalive21 wrote:
    yes the man is allowed his 100 days but when are people going to question Obama's DECISION MAKING!!!! He appoints two people to his office Bill Richardson and Geithner who end up when other people do background checks on these guys are frauds, then Obama comes out AFTERWARD and says "its an embarassment"...for who exactly President Obama? i would say more an embarassment to him for being clueless on who he is electing and officials


    He is not clueless on who he is electing. He is trying to pick the most qualified individuals, and people who will bring something more than just the status quo. They do background checks on all candidates. That's not to say they scour everyone's redords and find every single thing. Every administration has made mistakes or has had lapses in judgement while choosing cabinet members. Everyone in politics, as in live in general, has skeletons in their closets. These hiccups don't bother me, yet. Do you honestly think you can pin all the blame on Obama? You think he has direct access to the background checks? He has his team who do the dirty work. They missed or overlooked a few things. They are not frauds. They had indiscretions that came back to bite them. It's politics: it happens. It says nothing about Obama as a future president or as a person.
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    inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    pjalive21 wrote:
    yes the man is allowed his 100 days but when are people going to question Obama's DECISION MAKING!!!! He appoints two people to his office Bill Richardson and Geithner who end up when other people do background checks on these guys are frauds, then Obama comes out AFTERWARD and says "its an embarassment"...for who exactly President Obama? i would say more an embarassment to him for being clueless on who he is electing and officials

    ha ha ha.... :lol:

    you slam obama and give mccain a free pass on palin...

    good stuff...
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    pjalive21pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    inmytree wrote:
    pjalive21 wrote:
    yes the man is allowed his 100 days but when are people going to question Obama's DECISION MAKING!!!! He appoints two people to his office Bill Richardson and Geithner who end up when other people do background checks on these guys are frauds, then Obama comes out AFTERWARD and says "its an embarassment"...for who exactly President Obama? i would say more an embarassment to him for being clueless on who he is electing and officials

    ha ha ha.... :lol:

    you slam obama and give mccain a free pass on palin...

    good stuff...

    you are a perfect example of someone who voted for Obama....if its not Bush, its now going to be Palin, get over it

    Palin was never in this discussion as she is not VP, her and McCain lost...Obama/Biden are in office and all my questions are directed towards the upcoming administration
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    pjalive21pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    BinFrog wrote:
    Do you honestly think you can pin all the blame on Obama? You think he has direct access to the background checks? He has his team who do the dirty work. They missed or overlooked a few things. They are not frauds. They had indiscretions that came back to bite them. It's politics: it happens. It says nothing about Obama as a future president or as a person.

    please dont tell me you think this is right?

    you have such high confidence in someone, you stand up for their character enough to elect them to the office of the united states but have zero clue they owe the IRS money or are being investigated by the FBI????

    c'mon you cant be that naive can you to give Obama a pass as he had no clue? just like Ayers, Wright, Rezko, Blagojevich and on and on
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    BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,292
    pjalive21 wrote:
    BinFrog wrote:
    Do you honestly think you can pin all the blame on Obama? You think he has direct access to the background checks? He has his team who do the dirty work. They missed or overlooked a few things. They are not frauds. They had indiscretions that came back to bite them. It's politics: it happens. It says nothing about Obama as a future president or as a person.

    please dont tell me you think this is right?

    you have such high confidence in someone, you stand up for their character enough to elect them to the office of the united states but have zero clue they owe the IRS money or are being investigated by the FBI????

    c'mon you cant be that naive can you to give Obama a pass as he had no clue? just like Ayers, Wright, Rezko, Blagojevich and on and on


    I an not naive for disagreeing with you. If I didn't believe what I was typing, I would not have typed it.

    If we are all "typical" Obama supporters, then you are the typical "I told you so" McCain voter. You want SO bad for Obama to fail, and you think every little thing he does wrong is a prime opportunity for you to gloat. Don't even try coming back with "Look, I wanted Obama to succeed, I really did". He's not even in office yet.

    Instead of trying to bring him down every chance you get, how about hoping he actually brings change to a country (and world) that desperately need it. Give the man a shot...he's inheriting a country that has become the laughing stock of the world and is on the verge of economic collapse. Do you not want him to succeed?
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    CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,219
    pjalive21 wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    pjalive21 wrote:
    let me make it clear i dont think McCain was the answer either so im with you on that one
    ...
    Wait... so, you lambast people who voted for Obama... because they 'didn't do their research' on him before the election... and you didn't and don't support McCain, right?
    Who did you vote for... Ralph Nader or Stephen Colbert?

    ... McCain's economic policy wasnt good but if he surrounded himself with good appointees he could have been find, as we are finding about Obama the people he is surrounding himself with are frauds
    ...
    The key word in that statement is 'IF'. IF he (would have) surrounded him with good appointees.
    I think a clue was given about the people he **might** have appointed was revealed with his choice for a running mate. If those were the types of people he would have appointed... would that have been a good thing?
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    Flutter GirlFlutter Girl Posts: 548
    I'm sorry I find it hard to believe they didn't check a man's financial background before electing him to be treasurer...

    I voted Nader..McCain is just another typical politician.
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