I have to fire someone this morning

intodeep

Having to release someone due to the economy/lay offs sucks.
Having to release someone not performing even though you know they are trying their hardest sucks.

Having to Fire someone who is unproductive and a parasite to your team who i assume was given chances to imrove or who is stealing from a firm you put your life into and your livelyhood depends on it and the livelyhood of the team you have constructed for all to suceed does not suck.

jenmarie

It's done-
I feel great!

To all of you who are saying I'm the jerk for being excited for having the chance to do this- HA!!!! I loved every moment of watching his squirm as i produced document after document proving his inability to hold a 12.00 an hour job!

He begged a little- he went on about his kids- I told him that hopefully he is able to find a job which he can refrain from taking time and itmes s that he can in turn provide for his family.

Anyone want a 12-8 job in a homeless shelter for children in NYC?
I'll consider resumes from the site.

josevolution

do what is best for the kids that's how i feel fire the person just be carefull about repurcussions from this employee ..good luck ..

HermanBloom

jenmarie wrote:

You all are unreal-
so a guy steals time and items from his employer- I receive 30 resumes a day from people who want to work- this guy adds nothing to anything and I'm a jerk for looking foward to ending his employment?

Should I add he's a black guy so you all can call me a racist too?

That's funny; I would say something about Obama here, but that would be racist.

jenmarie

Thanks for the support people!

washedinblack91

josevolution wrote:

do what is best for the kids that's how i feel fire the person just be carefull about repurcussions from this employee ..good luck ..

yes. you can't have someone like that when there are vulnerable children there. they always come first and if theres someone there that could possibly harm them, he needs to go, and there's no shame in taking pleasure in firing someone like that.

josevolution

washedinblack91 wrote:

yes. you can't have someone like that when there are vulnerable children there. they always come first and if theres someone there that could possibly harm them, he needs to go, and there's no shame in taking pleasure in firing someone like that.

so we agree .

washedinblack91

josevolution wrote:

so we agree .

very ever since i started interning at a children's center i've had more of a love for children and i know if any of them grew up and became homeless or ran away, i wouldn't want someone near them that could take advantage of them, either directly or indirectly.

josevolution

washedinblack91 wrote:

very ever since i started interning at a children's center i've had more of a love for children and i know if any of them grew up and became homeless or ran away, i wouldn't want someone near them that could take advantage of them, either directly or indirectly.

i commend you for giving your time and effort to kids being a parent my self i have no tolerance at all for poeple who harm children at all ,good luck with your internship your a good person ..

norm

let me get this straight....

she has fired an employee who has been stealing from a homeless shelter and she can fill this job immediately with hopefully someone honest and some of you think SHE'S THE BAD GUY!!!

:rolleyes:

josevolution

cutback wrote:

let me get this straight....

she has fired an employee who has been stealing from a homeless shelter and she can fill this job immediately with hopefully someone honest and some of you think SHE'S THE BAD GUY!!!

:rolleyes:

not me tim ..

jenmarie

cutback wrote:

let me get this straight....

she has fired an employee who has been stealing from a homeless shelter and she can fill this job immediately with hopefully someone honest and some of you think SHE'S THE BAD GUY!!!

:rolleyes:

just the same old nutty libs on the board-
owed everything- work for nothing-

florence151

You don't have to label those who don't agree with you. It makes it sound that you are more concerned with invalidating the person rather than their argument.

Sometimes folks get fired. It isn't always easy to do the firing. Good work. It must have felt good to remove a negative person from your workforce.

It appears that some posters were of the opinion that you were enjoying the pain the firing inflicted on the dishonest employee rather than enjoying the fact that you no longer have to deal with a dishonest employee. IMHO.

Danimal

I don't believe your reasons for firing the employee.

Stealing from homeless children? What could they possibly own?

Hawkshore

jenmarie wrote:

I've been listening to Ten all morning to prepare for this.
I am excited to do it- this person is a real moron and establishing a paper trail has been the main focus of my job for about 3 months.

See you sucker!
Good prevails once again!

If he was stealing why did it take you three months to establish your position? I could see if it was a dismissal regarding performance issues taking that long to build your case but theft??? He should have been out the door that day! Please tell me you accomplished more for the homeless in the last three months than building a case to terminate an employee who has been stealing!

jenmarie

Hawkshore wrote:

If he was stealing why did it take you three months to establish your position? I could see if it was a dismissal regarding performance issues taking that long to build your case but theft??? He should have been out the door that day! Please tell me you accomplished more for the homeless in the last three months than building a case to terminate an employee who has been stealing!

You must not supervise anyone or thing.
This is a huge not for profit company- it takes time to build a case against someone- and if they happen to be not white- you need even more of a paper trail.

He was walking out of the program with soap, shampoo, I'm pretty sure he was taking paper, and toner and we were missing oven stuffer roasters and steaks. Hard to prove when the guy works the overnight- we finally got him over the past couple weeks- he started coming in at 2 am and was documenting on his time sheet 12am- we got him with theft of time. We needed him to submit a timesheet with his signature on it with the fale times of arrival.
If it was up to me I would have cut him loose at with the first roll of paper towels he stole- but had to follow policy-
I'm sure he will take it to human rights- the agency will have to pay attorney fee's and other BS-

jenmarie

Hawkshore wrote:

If he was stealing why did it take you three months to establish your position? I could see if it was a dismissal regarding performance issues taking that long to build your case but theft??? He should have been out the door that day! Please tell me you accomplished more for the homeless in the last three months than building a case to terminate an employee who has been stealing!

Oh, and as far as the kids go- we house for 30 days- intensive case management for runaways and homeless- we see alot of ACS abuse cases but we really just provide 72 hour housing for those children.

So yes, we do great work here-

DOSW

jenmarie wrote:

just the same old nutty libs on the board-
owed everything- work for nothing-

You know, I was actually sympathizing with you until this bonehead comment. Give me a break.

Hawkshore

jenmarie wrote:

You must not supervise anyone or thing.
This is a huge not for profit company- it takes time to build a case against someone- and if they happen to be not white- you need even more of a paper trail.

He was walking out of the program with soap, shampoo, I'm pretty sure he was taking paper, and toner and we were missing oven stuffer roasters and steaks. Hard to prove when the guy works the overnight- we finally got him over the past couple weeks- he started coming in at 2 am and was documenting on his time sheet 12am- we got him with theft of time. We needed him to submit a timesheet with his signature on it with the fale times of arrival.
If it was up to me I would have cut him loose at with the first roll of paper towels he stole- but had to follow policy-
I'm sure he will take it to human rights- the agency will have to pay attorney fee's and other BS-

Actually I'm a director of a multinational company so I know a thing or two about hiring and firing. I can tell you if it took three months in our organization to build a case regarding theft the thieve wouldn't be the only person losing their job that day! Did you ever consider putting a closed circuit camera in the area the thieve was stealing the food products? It would have facilitated the process and provided your charity with hard undeniable evidence! The kind of evidence that would eliminate any costly human rights tribunals or wrongful dismissal suits. Think about the money and time that could have been saved and put to better use serving the homeless! :rolleyes:

jenmarie

Hawkshore wrote:

Actually I'm a director of a multinational company so I know a thing or two about hiring and firing. I can tell you if it took three months in our organization to build a case regarding theft the thieve wouldn't be the only person losing their job that day! Did you ever consider putting a closed circuit camera in the area the thieve was stealing the food products? It would have facilitated the process and provided your charity with hard undeniable evidence! The kind of evidence that would eliminate any costly human rights tribunals or wrongful dismissal suits. Think about the money and time that could have been saved and put to better use serving the homeless! :rolleyes:

We cant use cameras- it is against HIPPA laws to photograph the children and since they have access to these areas we would have them on film-

believe me- if this could have been done day 1 I would have done it!