Nationality stereotypes/bias/bullshit

corduroy85

One 50-60 year old English woman told me that when they were little they were told "if you see a Russian run away, otherwise he'll kill you".

libragirl

Unfortunately, that will never change. Everyone is guilty of doing it at one time or another.

Jason P

corduroy85 wrote:

One 50-60 year old English woman told me that when they were little they were told "if you see a Russian run away, otherwise he'll kill you".

I'll never forgive Drago for killing Apollo . . .

Phantom Pain

corduroy85 wrote:

One 50-60 year old English woman told me that when they were little they were told "if you see a Russian run away, otherwise he'll kill you".

That isn't true ?



Older generations usually have stereotypes

Brought up in a different world with a different way of thinking

Plenty of younger generations do as well mostly learned though and not lived

Phantom Pain

Jason P wrote:

I'll never forgive Drago for killing Apollo . . .

BAHAHAHAHA !!

I just watched that over the July 4th holiday !

"I must break you..."

DeLukin

corduroy85 wrote:

One 50-60 year old English woman told me that when they were little they were told "if you see a Russian run away, otherwise he'll kill you".

I never listen to what English women say... they turn into vampires when the moon is full.

fuck

DeLukin wrote:

I never listen to what English women say... they turn into vampires when the moon is full.

you mean werewolves?

you are

i don't think things like this will ever go away. when i was little i wasn't allowed to get a Michael Jackson t-shirt. and my grandmother, to this day says the 'n' word. she'll be talking about a lady down the hall and say, 'she's a 'n****' you know....' grrr. :mad: i hate it, and i wish we didn't have all the stereotypes. :rolleyes:

libragirl

you are wrote:

i don't think things like this will ever go away. when i was little i wasn't allowed to get a Michael Jackson t-shirt. and my grandmother, to this day says the 'n' word. she'll be talking about a lady down the hall and say, 'she's a 'n****' you know....' grrr. :mad: i hate it, and i wish we didn't have all the stereotypes. :rolleyes:

eh..that is bad..I remember my grandmother used to say colored and I thought that was bad. It's a generational thing too I think...they have certain stereotypes and it sticks.

urbanhippie

My ex mother in law is the most racist person I know. I had to pull her up on numerous occasions about her racist language in front of my kids :(
It's sad how many people think derogatory language is still ok to use nowadays. I want my kids to grow up to be tolerant and non-judgmental and I think the best way to start that is at home.

Lizard

when my mom was little, her friend was told that Catholic priests had hooves!!!!

they don't, right?

Rhinocerous Surprise

Lizard wrote:

when my mom was little, her friend was told that Catholic priests had hooves!!!!

they don't, right?

Mine did... but he also had a tail, and pitchfork.

Wobbie

you are wrote:

i don't think things like this will ever go away. when i was little i wasn't allowed to get a Michael Jackson t-shirt. and my grandmother, to this day says the 'n' word. she'll be talking about a lady down the hall and say, 'she's a 'n****' you know....' grrr. :mad: i hate it, and i wish we didn't have all the stereotypes. :rolleyes:

Racial slurs ("n" word, etc.) are different than stereotypes. Most stereotypes have some basis in reality. I'd give some examples, but don't feel like taking a beating today.

you are

imalive wrote:

Racial slurs ("n" word, etc.) are different than stereotypes. Most stereotypes have some basis in reality. I'd give some examples, but don't feel like taking a beating today.

i know. i guess i didn't fully explain myself. she says things like that (she/he is a n****, you know....) as if that explains a lot. that's what i meant.

failedpersephone

corduroy85 wrote:

One 50-60 year old English woman told me that when they were little they were told "if you see a Russian run away, otherwise he'll kill you".

this would have been about 50-40 years ago so like 1958-1968ish??

that would explain a lot...I mean, the cold war and everything - it wasn't like Russians from the USSR were running around a lot...they weren't allowed out of their country except with a strict visa. so, it wasnt like the worst advice to tell a kid that if she saw a Russian - there may be a war or something imminent...

I am not excusing the idea that ALL Russians were/are trying to kill English women...but, I know that Mexifornians are especially susceptible to death by tickle attack by Congolese Ninjas with 12 toes. . . and it makes sense to me to give kids playing out in their yard a fair warning about the dangers of this modern cold war world.

*excuse me but i have to go back into my bomb shelter...I have to practice my duck and cover drill...because if a nuclear attack by those same Russians ever occurs, my thin plywood and aluminum desk will totally protect me.

Wobbie

you are wrote:

i know. i guess i didn't fully explain myself. she says things like that (she/he is a n****, you know....) as if that explains a lot. that's what i meant.

That kinda stuff shows a true bigot, IMHO. Saying (for example) that the Irish like to drink is a whole different thing!

corduroy85

failedpersephone wrote:

that would explain a lot...I mean, the cold war and everything - it wasn't like Russians from the USSR were running around a lot...they weren't allowed out of their country except with a strict visa. so, it wasnt like the worst advice to tell a kid that if she saw a Russian - there may be a war or something imminent...

I am not excusing the idea that ALL Russians were/are trying to kill English women... and it makes sense to me to give kids playing out in their yard a fair warning about the dangers of this modern cold war world.

I still think it's not very insightful because it was mostly blown out by the media. I mean they were really trying to create an image of a potential enemy.

Shawn Smith Collective

imalive wrote:

Most stereotypes have some basis in reality.

The problem with this belief is that it's only true through selective omission. You can generally apply EVERY stereotype to people outside the race/religion the sterotype is intended to depict.

For example:

Certain people are called lazy....do you not know MANY people of MANY races that could be called lazy? And do you not know people of the intended group who are NOT lazy? Perhaps people running corporations, holding high political office, playing sports at the pro level or in the olympics, doctors, lawyers, etc.


Others are called cheap, stupid, smart, smelly, etc. I'm sorry, but the "reality" is that it applies to INDIVIDUALS within races/religions...and even if you can point out 100 out of 100 people in a specific group that it works for, I'll find you 100 out of 100 it doesn't work for. And for good measure, I'll find you 100 out of 100 of other races that it does apply to.

It's not the stereotype that fits the people...there are just individual people that fit stereotypes...and then there are those that are willing to omit everyone else to "prove" a stereotype true.

brainofPJ

there's a guy at work that refers to all arabs as terrorists/towel heads...

he and a black guy get into all the time about it...i just keep my mouth shut despite the fact that it bugs the hell out of me.

W.C. Carter

All of the old racism against black people, Russians and/or peoples of communist nations, and the Japanese and Chinese have been replaced by the current accepted racism against Hispanics and Middle Easterners.

stu gee

When i was a really young kid i used to talk to my grandmother and her sister's and their comments were always really racist, it was just the way they were raised, they were'nt bad people. I remember one time my gran's sister asking me if i liked athletics as it was television. She then said she didnt mind it but there far too many 'darkies' now and that the javelin suited them because they were used to chucking spears. It made for interesting listening some of the things they used to come out with!!

Heineken Helen

libragirl wrote:

eh..that is bad..I remember my grandmother used to say colored and I thought that was bad. It's a generational thing too I think...they have certain stereotypes and it sticks.

'coloured' was the 'acceptable term' back then... I don't think it makes her racist or stereotypical... she probably thinks she's still being pc

try reading some books from that era :eek: it's funny some things they say that are completely unacceptable now.

Heineken Helen

brainofPJ wrote:

there's a guy at work that refers to all arabs as terrorists/towel heads...

he and a black guy get into all the time about it...i just keep my mouth shut despite the fact that it bugs the hell out of me.

I presume the 'guy at work' is white then? sorry, couldn't help it

*sits back and waits*

Heineken Helen

stu gee wrote:

When i was a really young kid i used to talk to my grandmother and her sister's and their comments were always really racist, it was just the way they were raised, they were'nt bad people. I remember one time my gran's sister asking me if i liked athletics as it was television. She then said she didnt mind it but there far too many 'darkies' now and that the javelin suited them because they were used to chucking spears. It made for interesting listening some of the things they used to come out with!!

:eek: I know it's 'not funny' but

zenith

when i was little,
my daddy said to me
forums are full of whingers
just you wait and see

they'll call each other names
but then they'll sook and cry
they'll tell the mods of the board
to kiss your arse goodbye

so careful who you play with
make sure they wont go dob
but even tho you are the one whose banned
they're the ones who look like knobs

:rolleyes:

PatrickBateman

Jason P wrote:

I'll never forgive Drago for killing Apollo . . .

it's an exhibition!!!

Pedge

this thread got me thinking about this comedy skit. Absolutely hillarious http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McB9tsabPn0

Pedge

I gotta admit I fell into the same stereotyping straight after September 11. I caught a plane about a week after and this Arab man sitting across from me got up to go to the toilet and I like everyone else on the plane were freaking out until he returned to his seat. Looking back now it was a ridiculous over reaction

libragirl

Pedge wrote:

I gotta admit I fell into the same stereotyping straight after September 11. I caught a plane about a week after and this Arab man sitting across from me got up to go to the toilet and I like everyone else on the plane were freaking out until he returned to his seat. Looking back now it was a ridiculous over reaction

I think a lot of people were like that. I probably would've acted the same way..not proud of it but Im sure I would have.

Heineken Helen

libragirl wrote:

I think a lot of people were like that. I probably would've acted the same way..not proud of it but Im sure I would have.

We were in Turkey when it happened and had to fly home a week later. We joked about it... but I think the fact that we were surrounded by Muslims when it happened kinda softened the blow of getting on a plane, which sounds weird. But yeh, there was a lot of nervous joking on the way home. After a couple of hours I said, half jokingly, 'for all we know we could be about to fly into the whitehouse' :eek: although I'm sure we woulda known since it would have added probably another 6 hours onto the flight and my sister wanted to know how much the inflatable planes were... and she asked accidentally for 'one of those blow up planes' :eek:

libragirl

After Sept 11th I swore I would never fly. That sounds ridiculous now but it was so upsetting seeing all that play out.

Heineken Helen wrote:

We were in Turkey when it happened and had to fly home a week later. We joked about it... but I think the fact that we were surrounded by Muslims when it happened kinda softened the blow of getting on a plane, which sounds weird. But yeh, there was a lot of nervous joking on the way home. After a couple of hours I said, half jokingly, 'for all we know we could be about to fly into the whitehouse' :eek: although I'm sure we woulda known since it would have added probably another 6 hours onto the flight and my sister wanted to know how much the inflatable planes were... and she asked accidentally for 'one of those blow up planes' :eek: