***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

The Juggler

Cliffy6745 wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Ben Harper is going to be at the Merriam Theater for an acoustic show in October. Sounds pretty sweet. Tickets go on sale Friday.

do you think he'll play "steal my kisses?"

Not even sure how to respond.

Should be a fun night out though.

haha...sucks that that was his biggest hit.

i saw him at the mann a long time ago. dude puts on a great show.

Ledbetterman10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-e0eJ9l1go

JK_Livin

I'd love to know why, if he could've had it, Utley didn't have surgery after the 2010 season. He may have missed last year but would be healthier this year. Maybe? Maybe what he has isn't operable? As a fan I'm pissed that we are going through the same thing 2 years in a row. Either Utley or the Phillies are deceiving us. I've gone as far to think that Utley isn't being forthcoming with the Phillies brass. Utley is one of my favorites Damn!

Phantom Pain

Domonic Brown was sent down to the minor league camp. Out of the race for #Phillies left field job. Mayberry Jr. strongest candidate.

JK_Livin

Phantom Pain wrote:

Domonic Brown was sent down to the minor league camp. Out of the race for #Phillies left field job. Mayberry Jr. strongest candidate.

Won't Mayberry go to Left after Howard comes back? Maybe I don't have all the facts but I though he was going to be the primary 1st baseman.

Phantom Pain

JK_Livin wrote:

Phantom Pain wrote:

Domonic Brown was sent down to the minor league camp. Out of the race for #Phillies left field job. Mayberry Jr. strongest candidate.

Won't Mayberry go to Left after Howard comes back? Maybe I don't have all the facts but I though he was going to be the primary 1st baseman.

Yeah, platoon at 1B with Thome

Full time LF when Howard is back

The Juggler

nl cy young odds:

Full NL Cy Young odds courtesy of Bovada.lv

Clayton Kershaw 9/2
Roy Halladay 11/2
Cliff Lee 15/2
Tim Lincecum 15/2
Adam Wainwright 12/1
Cole Hamels 12/1
Ian Kennedy 15/1
Josh Johnson 15/1
Matt Cain 15/1
Yovani Gallardo 15/1
Zack Greinke 15/1
Stephen Strasburg 18/1
Chris Carpenter 20/1
Mat Latos 20/1
Daniel Hudson 25/1
Gio Gonzalez 25/1
Johan Santana 25/1
Madison Bumgarner 25/1
Mark Buehrle 25/1
Matt Garza 25/1
Jordan Zimmerman 30/1
Tommy Hanson 30/1
Johnny Cueto 35/1

JK_Livin

bobby Jenks arrested for DUI and hit and run at 4am this morning. Yikes :crazy:

Utley's back with no update.

Wobbie

The Juggler wrote:

nl cy young odds:

Full NL Cy Young odds courtesy of Bovada.lv

Clayton Kershaw 9/2
Roy Halladay 11/2
Cliff Lee 15/2
Tim Lincecum 15/2
Adam Wainwright 12/1
Cole Hamels 12/1
Ian Kennedy 15/1
Josh Johnson 15/1
Matt Cain 15/1
Yovani Gallardo 15/1
Zack Greinke 15/1
Stephen Strasburg 18/1
Chris Carpenter 20/1
Mat Latos 20/1
Daniel Hudson 25/1
Gio Gonzalez 25/1
Johan Santana 25/1
Madison Bumgarner 25/1
Mark Buehrle 25/1
Matt Garza 25/1
Jordan Zimmerman 30/1
Tommy Hanson 30/1
Johnny Cueto 35/1

what were the odds on zito?

Is your pretty boy still unsigned long term? we need to get Cain locked up.

pjhawks

Ryan Madson out for year. he's has to shoot Scott Boras right?

JK_Livin

Utley is blowing smoke up my ass but i'll accept it only because it's Utley.

The Fixer

imalive wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

imalive wrote:

I don't hate your team at all.....but I'm wondering if the "window" might not be closing :?

no, not with the revenues being generated and a windfall of TV money coming down the line in 3 years. may take a short term step back but not fall all the way. one of only 3 teams with winning recoreds for 10 straight years. don't see that changing even with the current injuries.

yeah, but sometimes it takes more than money. what your guys did in 2008-10 reminds me of the 1988-90 A's....the dynasty that wasn't.

a great comp. if those teams played one another oakland would destroy the phils

at least ryan howard used to be meaningful back then. I miss those days. we need pat gillick back. amaro sucks my balls

can't wait to watch wigginton, thome, schneider. and especially pierre, who doesn't even deserve to be in the majors anymore.

AIDS

The Fixer

Cliffy6745 wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Ben Harper is going to be at the Merriam Theater for an acoustic show in October. Sounds pretty sweet. Tickets go on sale Friday.

do you think he'll play "steal my kisses?"

Not even sure how to respond.

Should be a fun night out though.

yeah, I never understood the fascination with that dude. his albums with the innocent criminals (could be the worst band/supporting act name ever) were shit. then he started ruining PJ songs. No thanks

One of the highlights of PJ20 was him not being there

The Fixer

JK_Livin wrote:

I'd love to know why, if he could've had it, Utley didn't have surgery after the 2010 season. He may have missed last year but would be healthier this year. Maybe? Maybe what he has isn't operable? As a fan I'm pissed that we are going through the same thing 2 years in a row. Either Utley or the Phillies are deceiving us. I've gone as far to think that Utley isn't being forthcoming with the Phillies brass. Utley is one of my favorites Damn!

no one is deceving anyone. his condition is chronic. having surgery is only a 50% success rate. he felt fine when season ended. now it's his other knee that's bothering him. I love the fans blaming utley. 610 at its finest

his injury is a moving target. surgery doesn't guarantee anything (ask brandon inge, who had it and admittedly was never the same).

sucks. the guy is one of the greatest phils ever (best from this era). he can still be a good player at his position, but he's never gonna be the same as he was.

worst part of all of this is that he could have been moved to first base for the last two years of his deal. but now there's a lesser player locked up at that position for the next 5 years. nice job minaya jr. so annoying

The Fixer

pjhawks wrote:

Ryan Madson out for year. he's has to shoot Scott Boras right?

yeah, boras probably botched madson's negotiations.

in other news, this sheds light on more amaro magic!!

Bad news for former Phillie Ryan Madson:

Following an examination in Cincinnati Saturday morning, the club said that Madson’s elbow ligament had torn off of the bone. He will need season-ending Tommy John surgery.

Phillies fans feel fortunate for missing this bullet. If Madson had actually been signed to the proposed four-year, $44 million deal during the off-season, the Phillies would have been put in a precarious situation given their other injury problems. Of course, there’s no guarantee that the off-season would have followed this specific route, but all else being equal, it would have been one more catastrophic problem to add to the pile.

There isn’t too much to add to the discussion other than that we should feel terrible for Madson. He signed with the Reds on a one-year, $8.5 million deal months after the four-year, $44 million deal with the Phillies fell through. Boras suggested Madson take a “pillow contract” — a short-term deal that adds to his client’s market value so that a longer, more lucrative deal can get had in the next free agency period. With Tommy John surgery on the horizon, Madson may never again be offered a multi-year contract, and will likely never see anything close to $44 million. I chronicled the rather subpar off-season Boras clients were having, but no one had it worse than Madson.

In response to the news, I saw two reactions from Phillies fans that I would like to address as well. The first is that Madson’s injury justifies the four-year, $50 million contract given to Jonathan Papelbon. The two aren’t related; the Papelbon contract is just as ill-advised whether Madson has a 7.50 ERA, misses the season, or calls upon the spirit of Mariano Rivera circa 2008. If anything, the Madson injury should make Phillies fans feel more apprehensive about Papelbon. Pitchers are very injury prone as the act of throwing a baseball overhand is an unnatural motion for the human body, just ask Johan Santana, Stephen Strasburg, J.J. Putz, or Tim Hudson. Locked up with Papelbon for four years, the Phillies must hope their new right-handed closer avoids the randomness of the universe and the frailties of his own body.

The second thing I’m hearing is that Madson’s injury and the Phillies’ sudden avoidance during the off-season insinuates that they knew he was injury-prone. If that were true, the Phillies wouldn’t have pursued him as heavily as they did, nearly committing four years and $44 million.

To say that the Phillies had knowledge of Madson’s declining elbow health assumes one of two things: the Phillies had a sudden change of heart between the time they were negotiating with Madson and when they sidled up next to Papelbon, which was not a lot of time. The other possibility is that the Phillies were overtly bluffing to the rest of the league or to Papelbon. However, that clearly didn’t work as they ended up paying slightly more, rather than less, for Papelbon.

The Madson/Papelbon situation is just an illustration of the power of randomness. The Phillies — and the rest of the league, for that matter — should learn from Madson’s situation by being more hesitant in offering long-term contracts and large sums of money to players in a fungible position. Since relievers, by and large, are dependent on rolls of the dice, it is often prudent to have as little money riding on them as possible.

Johnny Abruzzo

Ok ok, "feel terrible for Madson"? Give me a fucking break - he's getting 8.5 MILLION DOLLARS THIS YEAR. I won't make that my entire life. So Boras screwed him out of another $36M. He's still set for life if he takes care of his money well. The wording in that article is a little off.

Agree with everything about Papelbon - still a terrible contract.

The Juggler

my buddy has flyers season tix and went to the xfinity live preview thing last weekend. said it was pretty fucking cool. sounds like the talent they have at that pbr place should be extremely easy on the eyes.

Cliffy6745

The Juggler wrote:

my buddy has flyers season tix and went to the xfinity preview thing last weekend. said it was pretty fucking cool. sounds like the talent they have at that pbr place should be extremely easy on the eyes.

I'll be checking it out before or after the Springsteen concert tomorrow. I know I said it looks small, and it does, but I hear it's pretty sweet from buddies who work down there.

JK_Livin

The Juggler wrote:

my buddy has flyers season tix and went to the xfinity live preview thing last weekend. said it was pretty fucking cool. sounds like the talent they have at that pbr place should be extremely easy on the eyes.

The Juggler

Cliffy6745 wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

my buddy has flyers season tix and went to the xfinity preview thing last weekend. said it was pretty fucking cool. sounds like the talent they have at that pbr place should be extremely easy on the eyes.

I'll be checking it out before or after the Springsteen concert tomorrow. I know I said it looks small, and it does, but I hear it's pretty sweet from buddies who work down there.

the impression i got from him was that it didn't seem small once you're inside. he showed me a picture of that huge tv screen they have in there...i dunno. i'm pretty stoked to see it