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kh65kh65 Posts: 946
edited June 2008 in All Encompassing Trip
Why is it that people that push evolution also support welfare and other "entitlement" (btw, you're not entitled to anything) programs? Why try to fight nature and let the weaker less productive human capital die off?
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  • Rhinocerous SurpriseRhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Because humanity isn't something we want to evolve out of?
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  • Brain of J.LoBrain of J.Lo Posts: 3,259
    kh65 wrote:
    Why is it that people that push evolution also support welfare and other "entitlement" (btw, you're not entitled to anything) programs? Why try to fight nature and let the weaker less productive human capital die off?

    push evolution? lol.
  • Brain of J.LoBrain of J.Lo Posts: 3,259
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Because humanity isn't something we want to evolve out of?

    good answer.
  • eyedclaareyedclaar Posts: 6,980
    kh65 wrote:
    Why is it that people that push evolution also support welfare and other "entitlement" (btw, you're not entitled to anything) programs? Why try to fight nature and let the weaker less productive human capital die off?


    Some people are right to question evolution as it clearly isn't working on them.
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  • urbanhippieurbanhippie Posts: 3,007
    kh65 wrote:
    Why is it that people that push evolution also support welfare and other "entitlement" (btw, you're not entitled to anything) programs? Why try to fight nature and let the weaker less productive human capital die off?
    Because we evolved from animals into human beings.... Most of us....
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  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    Ah, social darwinism.

    When will people stop being so cruel to each other?
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  • Rhinocerous SurpriseRhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Brain of J.Lo wrote:
    good answer.

    Turns out I have a serious side. :p
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  • Brain of J.LoBrain of J.Lo Posts: 3,259
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Turns out I have a serious side. :p

    Imagine that! :D
  • kh65kh65 Posts: 946
    Before you start down your closeminded evolution path I would suggest you ask yourself "then what created life in the first place?" btw, no one has that answer, no one. I would suggest you check out this movie. Try to be openminded.

    http://www.expelledthemovie.com/
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  • Rhinocerous SurpriseRhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    kh65 wrote:
    Before you start down your closeminded evolution path I would suggest you ask yourself "then what created life in the first place?" btw, no one has that answer, no one. I would suggest you check out this movie. Try to be openminded.

    http://www.expelledthemovie.com/

    :p Closeminded evolution path? Okay, I'm gonna stay outta this thread and let you have your fun. Me and science will be over here drinking our kool-aid. :D
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  • eyedclaareyedclaar Posts: 6,980
    kh65 wrote:
    Before you start down your closeminded evolution path I would suggest you ask yourself "then what created life in the first place?" btw, no one has that answer, no one. I would suggest you check out this movie. Try to be openminded.

    http://www.expelledthemovie.com/

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  • Phantom PainPhantom Pain Posts: 9,876
    kh65 wrote:
    http://www.expelledthemovie.com/

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  • mattcozeamattcozea Posts: 377
    kh65 wrote:
    Before you start down your closeminded evolution path I would suggest you ask yourself "then what created life in the first place?"
    Uhh... who was being closed minded? Evolution doesn't even try to explain how life was started, so what does that have to do with anything? The most closed minded people in our history as a species have been religious zealots.
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  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Because humanity isn't something we want to evolve out of?
    Nice :cool:
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  • kh65kh65 Posts: 946
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Because humanity isn't something we want to evolve out of?
    I would argue that they are consuming resources that could be put to better use.

    (I'm not going to say how much of this I believe. I get off on debating and getting people to think rather than just react.)
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  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    mattcoz wrote:
    Uhh... who was being closed minded? Evolution doesn't even try to explain how life was started, so what does that have to do with anything? The most closed minded people in our history as a species have been religious zealots.

    Right on.

    Who ever said that evolution describes how life BEGAN? You can believe in evolution AND believe in a creator of life. These two ideas are not mutually exclusive.
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  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    he still stands wrote:
    Ah, social darwinism.

    When will people stop being so cruel to each other?

    We must evolve past competition for survival towards co-existence and compassion.

    There's plenty for all.
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  • kh65kh65 Posts: 946
    he still stands wrote:
    Right on.

    Who ever said that evolution describes how life BEGAN? You can believe in evolution AND believe in a creator of life. These two ideas are not mutually exclusive.
    Some people don't believe that, though. They can't explain it but they think everything just sprang to life one day.
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  • Rhinocerous SurpriseRhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    kh65 wrote:
    I would argue that they are consuming resources that could be put to better use.

    (I'm not going to say how much of this I believe. I get off on debating and getting people to think rather than just react.)

    There's a better use for resources than helping each other out?
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  • urbanhippieurbanhippie Posts: 3,007
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    There's a better use for resources than helping each other out?
    I thought you were staying out of this thread :p
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  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    kh65 wrote:
    Some people don't believe that, though. They can't explain it but they think everything just sprang to life one day.

    Right.... I get what you are saying.

    I think it is unfortunate that "Elite Science" and the Religious elite don't work together... Science shouldn't try to nullify religion and vice versa.

    The ultimate paradox is that our society is advancing faster than ever before, and we continue to give ourselves more questions to answer!!!
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  • kh65kh65 Posts: 946
    he still stands wrote:
    Right.... I get what you are saying.

    I think it is unfortunate that "Elite Science" and the Religious elite don't work together... Science shouldn't try to nullify religion and vice versa.

    The ultimate paradox is that our society is advancing faster than ever before, and we continue to give ourselves more questions to answer!!!
    Well said. :) This is my view as well.
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  • mattcozeamattcozea Posts: 377
    kh65 wrote:
    Some people don't believe that, though. They can't explain it but they think everything just sprang to life one day.
    Who says it didn't? Stop being so closed minded. ;)
    he still stands wrote:
    I think it is unfortunate that "Elite Science" and the Religious elite don't work together... Science shouldn't try to nullify religion and vice versa.

    The ultimate paradox is that our society is advancing faster than ever before, and we continue to give ourselves more questions to answer!!!
    Science is more than open to religion, most of our greatest scientists have been devout believers in God or some higher power. They even find that the pursuit of knowledge enhances their beliefs.
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  • Rhinocerous SurpriseRhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    urbanhippie wrote:
    I thought you were staying out of this thread :p

    I'm nothing if not a compulsive liar. :p
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  • kh65kh65 Posts: 946
    mattcoz wrote:
    Who says it didn't? Stop being so closed minded. ;)
    Even the most ardent evolution scientists can't explain how life actually started.
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  • eyedclaareyedclaar Posts: 6,980
    kh65 wrote:
    Some people don't believe that, though. They can't explain it but they think everything just sprang to life one day.


    I think you are confusing evolution with creationism... oh wait, that took 7 days.
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  • Rhinocerous SurpriseRhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    kh65 wrote:
    Even the most ardent evolution scientists can't explain how life actually started.

    I think the problem with saying "God did it" is that it's an easy cop-out at this point. If people are so sure there's a god that created, why can't they sit back let science objectively prove it?
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  • urbanhippieurbanhippie Posts: 3,007
    kh65 wrote:
    Even the most ardent evolution scientists can't explain how life actually started.
    A religious person may explain it but they have no proof...

    It's a case of 6 and two 3's and try as we might, it'll never change...
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  • kh65kh65 Posts: 946
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    I think the problem with saying "God did it" is that it's an easy cop-out at this point. If people are so sure there's a god that created, why can't they sit back let science objectively prove it?
    The job of science is not to prove anything but to disprove things. My belief is that we will never know how life began and we can never prove that.

    I still say let the bums die out. :)
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  • civ_eng_girlciv_eng_girl Posts: 2,001
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Because humanity isn't something we want to evolve out of?

    :) well said :)
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