ADHD is treated using stimulants or Strattera, which is a norepinephrine (noradrenaline) reuptake inhibitor. ADHD does indeed involve dopamine pathways. And you are correct, it is not a form of depression. I personally tend to agree with the thought that it is a developmental delay, due in no small part to my hope that my son will outgrow it, eventually.
The wikipedia page on ADHD is interesting, worth a look.
you can outgrow it??
I don't think it could be a developmental delay- it's gotten much worse for me as I've gotten older, because I think as you get older the environment you're in gets worse for adhd. I remember some things as a kid that I know I recognize as symptoms, but it really didn't torture me as a kid as much. and I was always at the top of my class in school (except those stupid conduct marks...and my parents always getting called in because I was in trouble).
as you're saying about the famous great men and or inventors that have
this issue, i will add to your comment.
i believe alot of or most of the artists in the world have this condition.
it's the creativity that flows in such a mind..
Yeah, see, I think the great minds/ great artists are only able to create greate things when they are given the solitude and clear thoughts to do so. I have run dry (in my writing) when I had too much chaos going on to focus on the writing. I kind of also think that is why, many of them are loners. I like to be alone a lot and yet there are times I am incredibly lonely. Do you know what I mean?
Baby, You Wouldn't Last a Minute on The Creek......
Together we will float like angels.........
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Yeah, see, I think the great minds/ great artists are only able to create greate things when they are given the solitude and clear thoughts to do so. I have run dry (in my writing) when I had too much chaos going on to focus on the writing. I kind of also think that is why, many of them are loners. I like to be alone a lot and yet there are times I am incredibly lonely. Do you know what I mean?
yes, i know what you mean. i can't stand to be around a lot of people because of the noise and my inability to focus on one conversation, but sometimes i can't stand to be alone. then, just to make things more complicated, i also hate silence. i have to have noise in the background...tv, radio, mp3 player or i get scattered.
wow, seems kinda scary to prescribe something like this just for weight loss! especially since the weight loss is just due to not eating as opposed to like increased metabolism or something. I'm actually taking wellbutrin now- the dr thought it would be a good thing to start with as it usually improves focus in children and because of my troubles waking up in the morning. the eating side effects and stuff sound very similar- the first few weeks I took it I'd just be like "shit, I have to eat!" but that wears off (unfortunately it seems like the improvements in waking up wear off too).
I heard people in hollywood take it to lose weight.
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I don't think it could be a developmental delay- it's gotten much worse for me as I've gotten older, because I think as you get older the environment you're in gets worse for adhd. I remember some things as a kid that I know I recognize as symptoms, but it really didn't torture me as a kid as much. and I was always at the top of my class in school (except those stupid conduct marks...and my parents always getting called in because I was in trouble).
Okay, the computer just ate my reply. :-(
Some people do outgrow it, others do not. The classification of ADHD as a developmental delay in children (more specifically, perhaps, in boys?) I believe refers to problems such as impulse control, which can lead to acting out, doing incredibly stupid things, and displaying an utter lack of control over one's emotions and reactions. Forgetting to do homework is a relatively small problem compared to losing one's mind and attacking someone because they said your backpack is stupid.
Like you, I have far more problems with distractibility and inattention as an adult, and these traits are more likely to linger in adulthood. We have more responsibilities than we did as children. I need to keep other people focused, as well -- and that is exhausting!
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i'm pretty sure the reason i have ADD/ADHD or whatever is because when
i was born i wasn't breathing and it took the hospital staff quite
some time to get me breathing...
thus causing some sort of brain damage...
but with that said my IQ is through the ceiling, last time i took some
school psychologists bullshit tests anyways..
i do remember something amazing..
i believe i was in 6th grade when i took some sorta vocabulary test..
on this test i scored very high, like college level shit..
us ADD/ADHD ppl aren't stupid ppl we're just different and we process info differently
and we have certain attention lacking skills..
like the above post reads they need back ground noise such as music, tv..
i cannot study without Zakk Wylde beating the crap out of his guitar in my ears..
study a few minutes then i gotta do something else like walk around
or write poetry or look for my head that i lost the other week ago
wait where was i going
oh yeah the grocery store
what was i buying
where did my grocery list go
wait
i need cd;s for the car trip to the store
where's my (certain) cd..
wait
i misplaced my car keys..
wait a second..
i need my writers bag with my favorites dictionary..
oh man, where are my keys
i gotta get this homework done too
i wanna go to the beach though first before all this other shit..
wait..
half way to the car..
i need my wallet too...
back in the house..
only after dropping my cd's or whatever
on the ground because my hands are full..
wait..
now i'm running late..
running in circles day in and day out..
In all reality I'm probably ADHD, for all that's worth. I was diagnosed "hyperactive" as a child. A lot of people I know suggest I am ADHD. But, I don't really believe in most of the "disorders" that our society now diagnoses people with. I think my attention span is related more to the fact that most people are boring and tell me things I already know. When something interesting is happening, I am very able to pay attention.
In my "lay" opinion, most "disorders" are simply personality characteristics, and we are in a "medicate everything" culture. If everyone were properly diagnosed and medicated - we'd all be very nearly the same. We'll use adderall and ritalin for the excitable, short attention span people; xanax and valium for the sad and nervous people; paxil for the people that don't like themselves, and phenobarbitol for the people that need to stay away from everyone else. That would be even more boring than things are now, wait a minute....that's how things ARE now, nevermind. Perhaps now you'll see why people say I'm ADHD.
I WILL SAY THIS....I've used adderall recreationally.....and it enables you to stay up for a really long time, with no serious side effects. In all seriousness, that's really the deal. It will give you a burst of energy, and will enable you to "really get into" detail-oriented tasks. There's no real negative that I know of, but I've never used it regularly, so I don't know what happens when you attempt to come off it.
In all reality I'm probably ADHD, for all that's worth. I was diagnosed "hyperactive" as a child. A lot of people I know suggest I am ADHD. But, I don't really believe in most of the "disorders" that our society now diagnoses people with. I think my attention span is related more to the fact that most people are boring and tell me things I already know. When something interesting is happening, I am very able to pay attention.
In my "lay" opinion, most "disorders" are simply personality characteristics, and we are in a "medicate everything" culture. If everyone were properly diagnosed and medicated - we'd all be very nearly the same. We'll use adderall and ritalin for the excitable, short attention span people; xanax and valium for the sad and nervous people; paxil for the people that don't like themselves, and phenobarbitol for the people that need to stay away from everyone else. That would be even more boring than things are now, wait a minute....that's how things ARE now, nevermind. Perhaps now you'll see why people say I'm ADHD.
I WILL SAY THIS....I've used adderall recreationally.....and it enables you to stay up for a really long time, with no serious side effects. In all seriousness, that's really the deal. It will give you a burst of energy, and will enable you to "really get into" detail-oriented tasks. There's no real negative that I know of, but I've never used it regularly, so I don't know what happens when you attempt to come off it.
I agree with everything you said about "disorders" and whatnot. Honestly if it were "really" up to me I'd do nothing about it, it's who I am. but I have to function in society, I can't lose my job.
in terms of using it regularly, I think it just has less and less an effect over time.
I agree with everything you said about "disorders" and whatnot. Honestly if it were "really" up to me I'd do nothing about it, it's who I am. but I have to function in society, I can't lose my job.
in terms of using it regularly, I think it just has less and less an effect over time.
Amen to that. Personally, I love my scatterbrained personality. But I was diagnosed after I got a promotion at work and had more and more responsibilities and I found I just couldn't get anything done. It wasn't that I couldn't get everything done, I couldn't do ANYTHING. I would just jump from thing to thing and not accomplish anything. I can't lose my job, so I take the medication. I never take it unless I'm going to work.
And your body does get used to it, I've had to change my Rx a couple of times because it wasn't effective anymore.
yes, i know what you mean. i can't stand to be around a lot of people because of the noise and my inability to focus on one conversation, but sometimes i can't stand to be alone. then, just to make things more complicated, i also hate silence. i have to have noise in the background...tv, radio, mp3 player or i get scattered.
For me, I have thought that perhaps I am selfish in that I only want to be around people when I want to. There are those people whom I know who love other people; to talk to, to be with, to hang out with, etc. But me, (although I consider myself a people person, i.e., one whom does like people, well people who aren't assholes, anyway,) I have to feel like being around people.
Sometimes I think my loneliness comes from feeling like no one really gets me and that normally I find people pretty boring and mundane.
idk.........
Baby, You Wouldn't Last a Minute on The Creek......
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
For me, I have thought that perhaps I am selfish in that I only want to be around people when I want to. There are those people whom I know who love other people; to talk to, to be with, to hang out with, etc. But me, (although I consider myself a people person, i.e., one whom does like people, well people who aren't assholes, anyway,) I have to feel like being around people.
Sometimes I think my loneliness comes from feeling like no one really gets me and that normally I find people pretty boring and mundane.
I agree with everything you said about "disorders" and whatnot. Honestly if it were "really" up to me I'd do nothing about it, it's who I am. but I have to function in society, I can't lose my job.
in terms of using it regularly, I think it just has less and less an effect over time.
Hey all,
I just need to respond here. Let's first get the point that we all know that we would not take meds if we didn't need to. There are people who do and that's their deal, but we are talking about needing to take them for a disorder not recreationally.
For those of us who are seeking treatment for this condition, it is because we have tried all else and nothing worked. I had self medicated for years and it just made me feel worse and the times I was straight, I still knew I was different but didn't know why. Life is hard and I believe that it is still a good life even though it can be tough. But I know that I no longer want to live a life that makes me feel like I am not as good as others because I can't focus long enough to accomplish what I know I can.
To compare this with depression, it is like if you have someone die that you love, and you feel sad, then I don't think the meds are needed; I think you need to cry your eyes out and then heal. If all is well and I am crying my eyes out on a daily basis, then I think I need to see what is up with me. Can I change something or do I need to take some meds just so I can get out of this cycle of sadness that is preventing me from getting better.
See the difference? We are all different. Wonderfully different. But when we ourselves feel overwhelmed then as adults it is up to us to try to get better or to stay the way we are.
It's just our own decision.
Baby, You Wouldn't Last a Minute on The Creek......
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
I don't like to talk about seriously heavy things all of the time, but I also get pretty bored with people who are always talking about things that I can't get into.
Last week, I was arrested and spent the night in the local jail. The next day, I was taken to "bond court" where I sat inside a cell with like 15 other women who live in the county jail presently. Those women, whom I at one time would have thought were so different then me, were frighteningly myself, or who I could be if I end up in my life doing the things that they have allowed to be there.
Strangely enough, although I would bet my experience would be a frightening one if I were to live among this on a daily basis, I found these women interesting and it appeared as though they had formed a friendship that enabled them to care about each other and for that one day, they were in my world and I in theirs. They had souls that I saw through their eyes and I had never thought of that before.
As much as I know it would not be in my best interest to be around people who are breaking the law no more than it would serve me to break it as well, these type of people, those who have stories and depth are those whom I relate to best.
sorry to run on........
Baby, You Wouldn't Last a Minute on The Creek......
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
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nah, probably a bunch of POTENTIALLY great artists who will never be able to actually make themselves make any art.
disagree
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I am tired; my heart is
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no more forever."
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you can outgrow it??
I don't think it could be a developmental delay- it's gotten much worse for me as I've gotten older, because I think as you get older the environment you're in gets worse for adhd. I remember some things as a kid that I know I recognize as symptoms, but it really didn't torture me as a kid as much. and I was always at the top of my class in school (except those stupid conduct marks...and my parents always getting called in because I was in trouble).
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Yeah, see, I think the great minds/ great artists are only able to create greate things when they are given the solitude and clear thoughts to do so. I have run dry (in my writing) when I had too much chaos going on to focus on the writing. I kind of also think that is why, many of them are loners. I like to be alone a lot and yet there are times I am incredibly lonely. Do you know what I mean?
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
yes, i know what you mean. i can't stand to be around a lot of people because of the noise and my inability to focus on one conversation, but sometimes i can't stand to be alone. then, just to make things more complicated, i also hate silence. i have to have noise in the background...tv, radio, mp3 player or i get scattered.
I heard people in hollywood take it to lose weight.
Okay, the computer just ate my reply. :-(
Some people do outgrow it, others do not. The classification of ADHD as a developmental delay in children (more specifically, perhaps, in boys?) I believe refers to problems such as impulse control, which can lead to acting out, doing incredibly stupid things, and displaying an utter lack of control over one's emotions and reactions. Forgetting to do homework is a relatively small problem compared to losing one's mind and attacking someone because they said your backpack is stupid.
Like you, I have far more problems with distractibility and inattention as an adult, and these traits are more likely to linger in adulthood. We have more responsibilities than we did as children. I need to keep other people focused, as well -- and that is exhausting!
i was born i wasn't breathing and it took the hospital staff quite
some time to get me breathing...
thus causing some sort of brain damage...
but with that said my IQ is through the ceiling, last time i took some
school psychologists bullshit tests anyways..
i do remember something amazing..
i believe i was in 6th grade when i took some sorta vocabulary test..
on this test i scored very high, like college level shit..
us ADD/ADHD ppl aren't stupid ppl we're just different and we process info differently
and we have certain attention lacking skills..
like the above post reads they need back ground noise such as music, tv..
i cannot study without Zakk Wylde beating the crap out of his guitar in my ears..
study a few minutes then i gotta do something else like walk around
or write poetry or look for my head that i lost the other week ago
wait where was i going
oh yeah the grocery store
what was i buying
where did my grocery list go
wait
i need cd;s for the car trip to the store
where's my (certain) cd..
wait
i misplaced my car keys..
wait a second..
i need my writers bag with my favorites dictionary..
oh man, where are my keys
i gotta get this homework done too
i wanna go to the beach though first before all this other shit..
wait..
half way to the car..
i need my wallet too...
back in the house..
only after dropping my cd's or whatever
on the ground because my hands are full..
wait..
now i'm running late..
running in circles day in and day out..
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
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I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
In my "lay" opinion, most "disorders" are simply personality characteristics, and we are in a "medicate everything" culture. If everyone were properly diagnosed and medicated - we'd all be very nearly the same. We'll use adderall and ritalin for the excitable, short attention span people; xanax and valium for the sad and nervous people; paxil for the people that don't like themselves, and phenobarbitol for the people that need to stay away from everyone else. That would be even more boring than things are now, wait a minute....that's how things ARE now, nevermind. Perhaps now you'll see why people say I'm ADHD.
I WILL SAY THIS....I've used adderall recreationally.....and it enables you to stay up for a really long time, with no serious side effects. In all seriousness, that's really the deal. It will give you a burst of energy, and will enable you to "really get into" detail-oriented tasks. There's no real negative that I know of, but I've never used it regularly, so I don't know what happens when you attempt to come off it.
i heard that too. it's an appetite supressant
pfft...that's a bit extreme for me...
I agree with everything you said about "disorders" and whatnot. Honestly if it were "really" up to me I'd do nothing about it, it's who I am. but I have to function in society, I can't lose my job.
in terms of using it regularly, I think it just has less and less an effect over time.
Amen to that. Personally, I love my scatterbrained personality. But I was diagnosed after I got a promotion at work and had more and more responsibilities and I found I just couldn't get anything done. It wasn't that I couldn't get everything done, I couldn't do ANYTHING. I would just jump from thing to thing and not accomplish anything. I can't lose my job, so I take the medication. I never take it unless I'm going to work.
And your body does get used to it, I've had to change my Rx a couple of times because it wasn't effective anymore.
For me, I have thought that perhaps I am selfish in that I only want to be around people when I want to. There are those people whom I know who love other people; to talk to, to be with, to hang out with, etc. But me, (although I consider myself a people person, i.e., one whom does like people, well people who aren't assholes, anyway,) I have to feel like being around people.
Sometimes I think my loneliness comes from feeling like no one really gets me and that normally I find people pretty boring and mundane.
idk.........
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
amen.
Hey all,
I just need to respond here. Let's first get the point that we all know that we would not take meds if we didn't need to. There are people who do and that's their deal, but we are talking about needing to take them for a disorder not recreationally.
For those of us who are seeking treatment for this condition, it is because we have tried all else and nothing worked. I had self medicated for years and it just made me feel worse and the times I was straight, I still knew I was different but didn't know why. Life is hard and I believe that it is still a good life even though it can be tough. But I know that I no longer want to live a life that makes me feel like I am not as good as others because I can't focus long enough to accomplish what I know I can.
To compare this with depression, it is like if you have someone die that you love, and you feel sad, then I don't think the meds are needed; I think you need to cry your eyes out and then heal. If all is well and I am crying my eyes out on a daily basis, then I think I need to see what is up with me. Can I change something or do I need to take some meds just so I can get out of this cycle of sadness that is preventing me from getting better.
See the difference? We are all different. Wonderfully different. But when we ourselves feel overwhelmed then as adults it is up to us to try to get better or to stay the way we are.
It's just our own decision.
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
Thanks.
I don't like to talk about seriously heavy things all of the time, but I also get pretty bored with people who are always talking about things that I can't get into.
Last week, I was arrested and spent the night in the local jail. The next day, I was taken to "bond court" where I sat inside a cell with like 15 other women who live in the county jail presently. Those women, whom I at one time would have thought were so different then me, were frighteningly myself, or who I could be if I end up in my life doing the things that they have allowed to be there.
Strangely enough, although I would bet my experience would be a frightening one if I were to live among this on a daily basis, I found these women interesting and it appeared as though they had formed a friendship that enabled them to care about each other and for that one day, they were in my world and I in theirs. They had souls that I saw through their eyes and I had never thought of that before.
As much as I know it would not be in my best interest to be around people who are breaking the law no more than it would serve me to break it as well, these type of people, those who have stories and depth are those whom I relate to best.
sorry to run on........
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........