I think the God metioned in the Bible (and other Holy Texts) is given a bum rap by the authors of those texts. They (the writers) pin human traits onto Him... making God more like Man... in order to make Man feel closer to God. I mean, the God is the Bible can be a real dick at times... like the way He fucks with Job. I don't believe that the real God is anything like that.
Also... we so often hear about God's perfection... well, if you read the text, He kinda sucks at creating things. Like, if He didn't want Adam and Eve to fuck... why did He equip them with genetalia? And beyond that... if God knows the Beginning and the End and all that is in between... when He created the Garden of Eden... why the HELL did He put the Tree of Knowledge in the middle of it? Why not plant it in Detroit? and again... fucking with people... namely, Adam. "Here... Adam... here is this tree... eat these fruit and your ass is had." Hint to God: If you don't want Adam to eat the apple... don't put the apple where Adam can get to it. It's a simple concept... sort of like the way I stash my cat's giant bag of dry food in a place where they can't get to it. Better yet... God... if toy don't want Adam to eat the apple.. simply, DO NOT CREATE THE APPLE.
I'm more apt to believe that Man created God... in order to control God or stake claims on Him. That's why you hear phrases of God being on our side during a War... God and War do not equate. I believe God is life... the life that exists everywhere in the Universe... not just on this tiny planet.
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So, when I speak of My God... He is the God of everyone. Not someone who forces you to love Him... and punishes you if you do not. I also believe that pinning the pettiness of Man onto Him... does a great dis-service to Him. I also believe... He just wants us to be nice to each other.
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I think the God metioned in the Bible (and other Holy Texts) is given a bum rap by the authors of those texts. They (the writers) pin human traits onto Him... making God more like Man... in order to make Man feel closer to God. I mean, the God is the Bible can be a real dick at times... like the way He fucks with Job. I don't believe that the real God is anything like that.
Also... we so often hear about God's perfection... well, if you read the text, He kinda sucks at creating things. Like, if He didn't want Adam and Eve to fuck... why did He equip them with genetalia? And beyond that... if God knows the Beginning and the End and all that is in between... when He created the Garden of Eden... why the HELL did He put the Tree of Knowledge in the middle of it? Why not plant it in Detroit? and again... fucking with people... namely, Adam. "Here... Adam... here is this tree... eat these fruit and your ass is had." Hint to God: If you don't want Adam to eat the apple... don't put the apple where Adam can get to it. It's a simple concept... sort of like the way I stash my cat's giant bag of dry food in a place where they can't get to it. Better yet... God... if toy don't want Adam to eat the apple.. simply, DO NOT CREATE THE APPLE.
I'm more apt to believe that Man created God... in order to control God or stake claims on Him. That's why you hear phrases of God being on our side during a War... God and War do not equate. I believe God is life... the life that exists everywhere in the Universe... not just on this tiny planet.
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So, when I speak of My God... He is the God of everyone. Not someone who forces you to love Him... and punishes you if you do not. I also believe that pinning the pettiness of Man onto Him... does a great dis-service to Him. I also believe... He just wants us to be nice to each other.
Im not trying to convert anybody, it was my misunderstanding. I dont even like it when people do that evangelical crap. I dont think of my faith as religion. I dont even believe most of the things most christians do. But to me it is a fact, in a discussion like this one, one should go in understanding that some people with think theirs is a fact. Im not saying anyone else is totally wrong either. Everyone has an individual path.
And im sorry I misunderstood your post, It sounded like you were atheist, being that you said "religious folks". Again, my mistake.
very nice post snake
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
There are people who had the truest deepest belief in god, who still turned atheist. And it didn't have anything to do with tradition or ceremony.
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People can have a mental assessment that there is a God but lack a true conversion to Christianity. Perseverance of the saints (once saved always saved) is a clear biblical truth.
Yea the bible is wrong. It was the word of God, but its been through the "meat grinder" of human minds, and therefore been distorted.
The bible was put together by what would end up being the catholic church, which at the time was extremely corrupt. Some books were left out, it was just what they thought should be put in.
Again, the manuscripts are the same as the originals. If people stay away from the catholic bible and some of the new translations of the Bible then they'll be fine. The books that were left out of the Bible were left out for many good reasons, no matter who was doing the leaving out. Anyway, the New King James version is always a safe bet.
Again, the manuscripts are the same as the originals. If people stay away from the catholic bible and some of the new translations of the Bible then they'll be fine. The books that were left out of the Bible were left out for many good reasons, no matter who was doing the leaving out. Anyway, the New King James version is always a safe bet.
I have to disagree with you my friend. Now the old testament, is essentially the same as the Tanakh, which is the Hebrew bible. The new testament, if im remembering correctly, was compiled by what would become the catholic church. But the King James version was translated to english by members of the Church of England.
Im copying this part:
"The king gave the translators instructions designed to guarantee that the new version would conform to the ecclesiology and reflect the episcopal structure of the Church of England and its beliefs about an ordained clergy."
Honestly I wouldnt trust that its in original form. The original new testament was written in greek. Jesus spoke aramaic.
The bible isnt necessarily a book of fact, or history. Its a book of faith.
Also mind you, when I speak of the catholic church being corrupt, they used to be involved in crime. Not necessarily at that time though. But the pope used to be in with the mafia and reaped the prophets of the crime work etc. It wasnt around the same time, but I dont trust authority in that sense.
Dont let man tell you whats true about God!
Edit: I may be wrong about the history, so dont hold me as a reliable source on that
I think the God metioned in the Bible (and other Holy Texts) is given a bum rap by the authors of those texts. They (the writers) pin human traits onto Him... making God more like Man... in order to make Man feel closer to God.
Would you rather believe that God abandoned his creation without any hint of instruction or that God insured that what He wanted written was written?
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Also... we so often hear about God's perfection... well, if you read the text, He kinda sucks at creating things. Like, if He didn't want Adam and Eve to fuck... why did He equip them with genetalia?
He wanted them to produce children. The Bible is clear about that. You probably heard the same symbolic liberal interpretation that I heard once, which doesn't make any sense at all.
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And beyond that... if God knows the Beginning and the End and all that is in between... when He created the Garden of Eden... why the HELL did He put the Tree of Knowledge in the middle of it? Why not plant it in Detroit? and again... fucking with people... namely, Adam. "Here... Adam... here is this tree... eat these fruit and your ass is had." Hint to God: If you don't want Adam to eat the apple... don't put the apple where Adam can get to it. It's a simple concept... sort of like the way I stash my cat's giant bag of dry food in a place where they can't get to it. Better yet... God... if toy don't want Adam to eat the apple.. simply, DO NOT CREATE THE APPLE.
I think it's clear that God didn't want there to be a permanent theocracy in the world. Therefore, free choice had to be given, which required the option to disobey God. God the Father had the cross in mind from the beginning, which would replace a theocracy but still provide a way for humans to have a relationship with Him.
I have to disagree with you my friend. Now the old testament, is essentially the same as the Tanakh, which is the Hebrew bible. The new testament, if im remembering correctly, was compiled by what would become the catholic church. But the King James version was translated to english by members of the Church of England.
Im copying this part:
"The king gave the translators instructions designed to guarantee that the new version would conform to the ecclesiology and reflect the episcopal structure of the Church of England and its beliefs about an ordained clergy."!
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The content of what was compiled is what's important. The content of what was compiled was in circulation and practiced within the church centuries before the official compilation.
Give me five examples of how the new king james version "conforms to the ecclesiology and reflects the episcopal structure of the Church of England and its beliefs about an ordained clergy". For one thing, the NT teaches the individual churches to govern by means of a presbytery (opposite of Catholicism and Church of England).
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One of the primary reasons the gospels were written in Greek was to give indication that the gospel was intended for gentiles in addition to jews. Also, much of the NT was written by paul, who was a gentile, which explains why he wrote his letters in greek.
I'm with you on not agreeing with the catholic church. But let's keep in mind that it took centuries for the catholic church to actually become the catholic church. A lot can be learned from Fox's Book of Martyrs, the Creeds from the early church, etc.
The content of what was compiled is what's important. The content of what was compiled was in circulation and practiced within the church centuries before the official compilation.
Give me five examples of how the new king james version "conforms to the ecclesiology and reflects the episcopal structure of the Church of England and its beliefs about an ordained clergy". For one thing, the NT teaches the individual churches to govern by means of a presbytery (opposite of Catholicism and Church of England).
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One of the primary reasons the gospels were written in Greek was to give indication that the gospel was intended for gentiles in addition to jews. Also, much of the NT was written by paul, who was a gentile, which explains why he wrote his letters in greek.
I'm with you on not agreeing with the catholic church. But let's keep in mind that it took centuries for the catholic church to actually become the catholic church. A lot can be learned from Fox's Book of Martyrs, the Creeds from the early church, etc.
Ok, thats where im shaky on history. The gospels were also written in greek because that was the language of the roman empire.
But I still believe that it has been altered, obviously I cant prove it, because I dont have the original scriptures, nor would I be able to read them if I did
People can have a mental assessment that there is a God but lack a true conversion. Perseverance of the saints (once saved always saved) is a clear biblical truth.
What?
Anyway, we could go on for hours about this. You believe there's a god, I don't.
[quote="But I still believe that it has been altered, obviously I cant prove it, because I dont have the original scriptures, nor would I be able to read them if I did
But thats just me.[/quote"]
From a Christian site:
"The New Testament had pretty much come together by 150AD but there continued to be discussion about a few books until about 400 AD. It was not officially canonized until the Council of Trent in the 1500's."
Also check the post I made a couple pages back on this thread. It contains info from a secular source. I don't see a need to worry about the Council of Trent, which took place in the 1500s. What they compiled was already practiced in the first century church and what they left out was left out for many good reasons. One reason was the very late authorship date (centuries later) of those books.
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Also... we so often hear about God's perfection... well, if you read the text, He kinda sucks at creating things. Like, if He didn't want Adam and Eve to fuck... why did He equip them with genetalia? And beyond that... if God knows the Beginning and the End and all that is in between... when He created the Garden of Eden... why the HELL did He put the Tree of Knowledge in the middle of it? Why not plant it in Detroit? and again... fucking with people... namely, Adam. "Here... Adam... here is this tree... eat these fruit and your ass is had." Hint to God: If you don't want Adam to eat the apple... don't put the apple where Adam can get to it. It's a simple concept... sort of like the way I stash my cat's giant bag of dry food in a place where they can't get to it. Better yet... God... if toy don't want Adam to eat the apple.. simply, DO NOT CREATE THE APPLE.
I'm more apt to believe that Man created God... in order to control God or stake claims on Him. That's why you hear phrases of God being on our side during a War... God and War do not equate. I believe God is life... the life that exists everywhere in the Universe... not just on this tiny planet.
...
So, when I speak of My God... He is the God of everyone. Not someone who forces you to love Him... and punishes you if you do not. I also believe that pinning the pettiness of Man onto Him... does a great dis-service to Him. I also believe... He just wants us to be nice to each other.
Hail, Hail!!!
"Its a secret to everybody."
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
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People can have a mental assessment that there is a God but lack a true conversion to Christianity. Perseverance of the saints (once saved always saved) is a clear biblical truth.
Again, the manuscripts are the same as the originals. If people stay away from the catholic bible and some of the new translations of the Bible then they'll be fine. The books that were left out of the Bible were left out for many good reasons, no matter who was doing the leaving out. Anyway, the New King James version is always a safe bet.
Im copying this part:
"The king gave the translators instructions designed to guarantee that the new version would conform to the ecclesiology and reflect the episcopal structure of the Church of England and its beliefs about an ordained clergy."
Honestly I wouldnt trust that its in original form. The original new testament was written in greek. Jesus spoke aramaic.
The bible isnt necessarily a book of fact, or history. Its a book of faith.
Also mind you, when I speak of the catholic church being corrupt, they used to be involved in crime. Not necessarily at that time though. But the pope used to be in with the mafia and reaped the prophets of the crime work etc. It wasnt around the same time, but I dont trust authority in that sense.
Dont let man tell you whats true about God!
Edit: I may be wrong about the history, so dont hold me as a reliable source on that
"Its a secret to everybody."
Would you rather believe that God abandoned his creation without any hint of instruction or that God insured that what He wanted written was written?
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Also... we so often hear about God's perfection... well, if you read the text, He kinda sucks at creating things. Like, if He didn't want Adam and Eve to fuck... why did He equip them with genetalia?
He wanted them to produce children. The Bible is clear about that. You probably heard the same symbolic liberal interpretation that I heard once, which doesn't make any sense at all.
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And beyond that... if God knows the Beginning and the End and all that is in between... when He created the Garden of Eden... why the HELL did He put the Tree of Knowledge in the middle of it? Why not plant it in Detroit? and again... fucking with people... namely, Adam. "Here... Adam... here is this tree... eat these fruit and your ass is had." Hint to God: If you don't want Adam to eat the apple... don't put the apple where Adam can get to it. It's a simple concept... sort of like the way I stash my cat's giant bag of dry food in a place where they can't get to it. Better yet... God... if toy don't want Adam to eat the apple.. simply, DO NOT CREATE THE APPLE.
I think it's clear that God didn't want there to be a permanent theocracy in the world. Therefore, free choice had to be given, which required the option to disobey God. God the Father had the cross in mind from the beginning, which would replace a theocracy but still provide a way for humans to have a relationship with Him.
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The content of what was compiled is what's important. The content of what was compiled was in circulation and practiced within the church centuries before the official compilation.
Give me five examples of how the new king james version "conforms to the ecclesiology and reflects the episcopal structure of the Church of England and its beliefs about an ordained clergy". For one thing, the NT teaches the individual churches to govern by means of a presbytery (opposite of Catholicism and Church of England).
.
One of the primary reasons the gospels were written in Greek was to give indication that the gospel was intended for gentiles in addition to jews. Also, much of the NT was written by paul, who was a gentile, which explains why he wrote his letters in greek.
I'm with you on not agreeing with the catholic church. But let's keep in mind that it took centuries for the catholic church to actually become the catholic church. A lot can be learned from Fox's Book of Martyrs, the Creeds from the early church, etc.
But I still believe that it has been altered, obviously I cant prove it, because I dont have the original scriptures, nor would I be able to read them if I did
But thats just me.
"Its a secret to everybody."
What?
Anyway, we could go on for hours about this. You believe there's a god, I don't.
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But thats just me.[/quote"]
From a Christian site:
"The New Testament had pretty much come together by 150AD but there continued to be discussion about a few books until about 400 AD. It was not officially canonized until the Council of Trent in the 1500's."
Also check the post I made a couple pages back on this thread. It contains info from a secular source. I don't see a need to worry about the Council of Trent, which took place in the 1500s. What they compiled was already practiced in the first century church and what they left out was left out for many good reasons. One reason was the very late authorship date (centuries later) of those books.