If he was here, he'd surely add something about killing babbies
Absolutely sometimes... I miss him :eek:
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
well if you believe in the bullshit Gov story about 9-11 you'd know the alleged hijackers were from Saudi Arabia not Iraq or Afgahnistan
Oh, you are one of those nuts who think that 9-11 was an inside job, despite all the evidence to the contrary? Who cares where the hijackers were from? Osama is not from Afghanistan! He was exiled from Saudi Arabia, maybe some of his followers went with him? Maybe he recruited from other countries? Where they are originally from has NO bearing on this discussion.
'why don't people understand that there are people on this planet that want to kill americans'
I guess in your world everyone is happy, and loves each other?
Oh I get it now.... 9-11 was in inside job. There actually is nobody who wants to hurt us. George Bush went to war for oil. America is the great Satan, yet you still live here. I see now, you've had too many Heinekens!
Have you stopped to consider that maybe they really do have a clue, and don't want to get in to an arguement with family? Maybe they are tired of your hippy CNN inspired talking points, and it's easier to just keep their mouth shut? Maybe they are all laughing right now about how you have no clue!?!? Maybe they are even posting about it on a creed message board?
You're just playing a semantics game with the term pro-life! To clarify, use anti-abortion, and pro-abortion (or pro-baby murder) instead. Babies never attacked the WTC, so equating them to terrorists in Iraq or Afgahnistan doesn't work. Why don't people understand that there are people on this planet that want to kill Americans. We can either fight them here, or fight them "over there."
Plants are alive too, you kill plants just like you kill a turkey to eat!
You sure do ASSUME a lot, and I don't watch CNN, so quit trying to label me so that you feel more secure in yourself. I actually voted for Bush twice, so I have more of a reason to be pissed then anyone because the fucker lied, lied and lied some more and I believed it, now I have friends who are DEAD for NO REASON!!!!
Iraq would be better without us and we would be better for it, we may have actually caught Bin Laden by now, if we would have focused on the real enemy! Those are the facts! If you don't believe me, quit watching FOX news and read the soldier blogs and educate yourself!
Now back to my ORIGINAL POINT, which was never about abortion. I was just extremely pissed off that people could vote for a president simply because he is pro life. I don't really care about anyone's stance on pro life or pro choice, I just can't get over the fact that you could base a vote simply on that, given the time we are living in!
After your first paragraph, I just started laughing, thanks for that, but obviously I am trying to have an adult discussion so I cannot respond to the rest of it.
yeah I try not to discuss politics with family, friends or coworkers..lol. It's rare that everyone is on the same page and it leads to awkwardness. I was at my cousin's for a BBQ and he was going off about how if you don't support the war in Iraq you are unpatriotic. I kept my mouth shut. :mad:
These cuts are leaving creases. Trace the scars to fit the pieces, to tell the story, you don't need to say a word.
My aunt, uncle and 17 year old cousin from TEXAS came to Indiana to visit for the July 4th Holiday.
Of course I could not help but to talk politics with them, considering they are from TEXAS!
They KNOW NOTHING, could not discuss the war with me, had no facts about the devastion anywhere in the world, actually I would use the phrase "heads buried in the sand" to describe them. Not because they did not agree with me, but because they really didn't even know what I was talking about.
But, they know one thing for sure, they are voting for Mcain, Why? Well because he's pro life, and Obama is not. They are catholic's, their choice for president makes as much sense as being able to go commit a sin and then set in a box and be forgiven!
My 17 year old cousin actually used the words, "Obama scares me!" But could not tell me specifically why he scares her, just things she's heard.
Does this make anyone else's blood boil, like it did mine?
I am supposed to go to their house for Thanksgiving, but since I am a vegetarian and they are serving turkey, I think I am going to stay home simply because I believe in pro life for the turkeys!
This sounds as stupid, as voting for a president who believes in staying in a war, killing people. But is pro-life???????? :(
Now, you can slam me all you want, but I just needed to vent and I couldn't talk to anyone in my family about how much this bothers me!
Next time, have them use PRICELINE to find a room so they don't have to stay with you!
I know EXACTLY how you feel. My mom's family is from Oklahoma, Texas and Arkansas. This is the exact reason I tend to miss the annual family reunion every year.
This is the greatest band in the world -- Ben Harper
I know EXACTLY how you feel. My mom's family is from Oklahoma, Texas and Arkansas. This is the exact reason I tend to miss the annual family reunion every year.
I brought my girlfriend to a large family gathering yesterday....after introducing her to like 20 people, I realized that my family is pretty solid. No one is embarassing...maybe a bit annoying, but I am thankful that everyone is educated and on the progessive side!
Only one cousin said "Kudos to you for being able to put-up with Joe!"
I brought my girlfriend to a large family gathering yesterday....after introducing her to like 20 people, I realized that my family is pretty solid. No one is embarassing...maybe a bit annoying, but I am thankful that everyone is educated and on the progessive side!
Only one cousin said "Kudos to you for being able to put-up with Joe!"
Must be nice! And, yes, kudos to her your girlfriend!
This is the greatest band in the world -- Ben Harper
We had the lovely family dinner to visit with my sister in law and nephew from Colorado. Unfortunately, my father in law and sister in law had had about enough of each other and I found it necessary to escape with her to Wal-Mart in order to create some cooling off space for her. I hate Wal-Mart, so I hope she knows that I really like her if that's the only excuse I could come up with in a hurry to get her out of the house.
The Daystar
"But --you say that Dreams have no power here? Tell me, Lucifer Morningstar...Ask yourselves, all of you...What power would hell have if those here imprisoned were not able to Dream of Heaven?" Dream speaking to Lucifer as written by Neil Gaiman.
Oh, you are one of those nuts who think that 9-11 was an inside job, despite all the evidence to the contrary?
there is no "real" evidence to the contrary and if you believe the "official" 9-11 story then you are the one who is nuts.
you don't know what the fuck you're talking about so i suggest you educate yourself before joining the fray because if your going to spew that popular mechanics/history channel dis-information garbage you can tell it to someone else.
there is no "real" evidence to the contrary and if you believe the "official" 9-11 story then you are the one who is nuts.
you don't know what the fuck you're talking about so i suggest you educate yourself before joining the fray because if your going to spew that popular mechanics/history channel dis-information garbage you can tell it to someone else.
Hi....Maybe could you elaborate? I'm curious as to what you're talking about?
This is the greatest band in the world -- Ben Harper
The other day they were talking about the NRA, the constitution and the right to bear arms and I overheard one say, "Charleton Heston - when he died- I believe he needed to." Are you kidding me???
yeah the idiots in this country have been brainwashed into thinking guns are bad and only the police should have them. morons with no clue of history or why the forefathers made the second amendment,and it's 2nd!! that's how important it is.
Hitler,Mao,Pol Pot,Stalin they all enforced gun control a few years before the genocide started.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
-Thomas Jefferson, Proposed Virginia Constitution, 1776, Jefferson Papers 344
"Gun bans don't disarm criminals, gun bans attract them." -- Walter Mondale, U.S. Ambassador to Japan, 4/20/94
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them." -George Mason, during Virginia's ratification convention, 1788
LOL! Yeah, I assumed that much. I just wanted to hear what you had to say about it. That's all.
oh,ok.
it wasn't Osama and 19 dudes from Saudi Arabia that attacked us.
all the evidence points to it being an inside job.
does it SOUND CRAZY? of course it does! but if you think that you have a Gov that would bomb people all over the world and kill MILLIONS over the span of a few decades, but wouldn't kill a few thousand at home to get what they want,well that is crazy! crazy naive!!!
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
This is the first thread that I have started that got more than 15 comments, hell I'm on 2 pages. Holy crap, I finally said something people felt like responding to.;)
my lack of political knowledge is pretty embarassing...
but i'd hafto agree that basing the next leader of your country on the age old debate over abortion is pretty scary
I guess in your world everyone is happy, and loves each other?
Oh I get it now.... 9-11 was in inside job. There actually is nobody who wants to hurt us. George Bush went to war for oil. America is the great Satan, yet you still live here. I see now, you've had too many Heinekens!
In my world most people ARE happy and love eachother... but there are plenty of people who aren't like that. Americans arent' the only people hated you know! Americans hate too. I would safely say that every group of people in the world are hated... this is no reason to go out there and make them hate you more
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
You sure do ASSUME a lot, and I don't watch CNN, so quit trying to label me so that you feel more secure in yourself. I actually voted for Bush twice, so I have more of a reason to be pissed then anyone because the fucker lied, lied and lied some more and I believed it, now I have friends who are DEAD for NO REASON!!!!
Iraq would be better without us and we would be better for it, we may have actually caught Bin Laden by now, if we would have focused on the real enemy! Those are the facts! If you don't believe me, quit watching FOX news and read the soldier blogs and educate yourself!
Now back to my ORIGINAL POINT, which was never about abortion. I was just extremely pissed off that people could vote for a president simply because he is pro life. I don't really care about anyone's stance on pro life or pro choice, I just can't get over the fact that you could base a vote simply on that, given the time we are living in!
After your first paragraph, I just started laughing, thanks for that, but obviously I am trying to have an adult discussion so I cannot respond to the rest of it.
I see you assume even more than I do! And you miss my title about "playing devil's advocate"! Seriously though, you can't beleive that Iraq was better off with the butcher in control? Here is a tip for you, you can vote for someone based soley on one stance! It all depends on what you feel strongly about. For me, it is nuclear power. Not only my job, but the most imporant thing for the future of this country... energy independance! That one issue "could" be enough to sway my vote to a liberal. Maybe someone else had an abortion and terribly regrets it.... maybe they feel better if they try to stop others from making the same mistake?
there is no "real" evidence to the contrary and if you believe the "official" 9-11 story then you are the one who is nuts.
you don't know what the fuck you're talking about so i suggest you educate yourself before joining the fray because if your going to spew that popular mechanics/history channel dis-information garbage you can tell it to someone else.
I don't know what I am talking about and should educate myself.... says the person with horrible grammar! I know it is an internet message board, and we all type fast, but come on! If you are going to call out someone for being un-educated, at least don't do it with grammar errors!
How is an internet documentary by a guy who couldn't even get in to film school better than real documentary done by educated experts? Because you beleive what you want to beleive!
In my world most people ARE happy and love eachother... but there are plenty of people who aren't like that. Americans arent' the only people hated you know! Americans hate too. I would safely say that every group of people in the world are hated... this is no reason to go out there and make them hate you more
The problem is, the US would be hated either way. If we didn't liberate Iraq, people would hate us for not doing anything. The liberals would berate Bush for not helping Iraq, and letting Sadam continue his reign of terror. If you don't beleive that, then you have no idea how politics works in this country.
That aside, the real problem here is muslim extremists. They want to kill non-muslims, and spread their religion around the world. I know you don't beleive this, becasue you don't beleive that 9-11 really happened. But it is true. Right now the extremists are a small portion. But that is all it takes. Do you think the German people wanted to exterminate Jewish people? Of course not, it was the few extremist in power. But no Germans tried to stop the extremist in power. (I'm going to assume even you don't think that the holocaust didn't happen?)
I see you assume even more than I do! And you miss my title about "playing devil's advocate"! Seriously though, you can't beleive that Iraq was better off with the butcher in control? Here is a tip for you, you can vote for someone based soley on one stance! It all depends on what you feel strongly about. For me, it is nuclear power. Not only my job, but the most imporant thing for the future of this country... energy independance! That one issue "could" be enough to sway my vote to a liberal. Maybe someone else had an abortion and terribly regrets it.... maybe they feel better if they try to stop others from making the same mistake?
He is talking about a documentary done by popular mechanics featuring subject matter experts; it completely debunks any conspiracy theories.
I don't know what I am talking about and should educate myself.... says the person with horrible grammar! I know it is an internet message board, and we all type fast, but come on! If you are going to call out someone for being un-educated, at least don't do it with grammar errors!
How is an internet documentary by a guy who couldn't even get in to film school better than real documentary done by educated experts? Because you beleive what you want to beleive!
The problem is, the US would be hated either way. If we didn't liberate Iraq, people would hate us for not doing anything. The liberals would berate Bush for not helping Iraq, and letting Sadam continue his reign of terror. If you don't beleive that, then you have no idea how politics works in this country.
That aside, the real problem here is muslim extremists. They want to kill non-muslims, and spread their religion around the world. I know you don't beleive this, becasue you don't beleive that 9-11 really happened. But it is true. Right now the extremists are a small portion. But that is all it takes. Do you think the German people wanted to exterminate Jewish people? Of course not, it was the few extremist in power. But no Germans tried to stop the extremist in power. (I'm going to assume even you don't think that the holocaust didn't happen?)
The problem is, the US would be hated either way. If we didn't liberate Iraq, people would hate us for not doing anything. The liberals would berate Bush for not helping Iraq, and letting Sadam continue his reign of terror. If you don't beleive that, then you have no idea how politics works in this country.
That aside, the real problem here is muslim extremists. They want to kill non-muslims, and spread their religion around the world. I know you don't beleive this, becasue you don't beleive that 9-11 really happened. But it is true. Right now the extremists are a small portion. But that is all it takes. Do you think the German people wanted to exterminate Jewish people? Of course not, it was the few extremist in power. But no Germans tried to stop the extremist in power. (I'm going to assume even you don't think that the holocaust didn't happen?)
Liberate Iraq? by going in and bombing the fuck out of them? Yeh, the people being bombed rarely see that as very liberating. Did you see 9/11 as liberating for you? I'm sure it's even offensive for me to ask that question... however it's just in reply to your ignorant comment. I don't believe 9/11 happened? Of course I do... I saw it on telly... I just think that the suggestion that there may be more to the story may not be far off the mark. That's all. I'm not saying people didn't die... I'm not saying it wasn't sad what happened... of course it was. I'm just saying that the 'official' story is not always the truth.
Hmm... so christians have never tried to force their religion upon the world? Plenty of Irish people throughout the centuries died cos of 'christians' forcing their religion upon htem.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I see you assume even more than I do! And you miss my title about "playing devil's advocate"! Seriously though, you can't beleive that Iraq was better off with the butcher in control?
replace one killer with an even worse one! MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!
I don't know what I am talking about and should educate myself.... says the person with horrible grammar! I know it is an internet message board, and we all type fast, but come on! If you are going to call out someone for being un-educated, at least don't do it with grammar errors!
is this the best you can come up with troll?? & do you really want me to point out all the words you spelled wrong?
How is an internet documentary by a guy who couldn't even get in to film school better than real documentary done by educated experts? Because you beleive what you want to beleive!
you seem to think i based my beliefs on a single documentary when in fact i have read several books,seen at least 2 dozen documentaries and i have read hundreds of articles pertaining to every facet of 9-11
The problem is, the US would be hated either way. If we didn't liberate Iraq, people would hate us for not doing anything. The liberals would berate Bush for not helping Iraq, and letting Sadam continue his reign of terror. If you don't beleive that, then you have no idea how politics works in this country.
That aside, the real problem here is muslim extremists. They want to kill non-muslims, and spread their religion around the world. I know you don't beleive this, becasue you don't beleive that 9-11 really happened. But it is true. Right now the extremists are a small portion. But that is all it takes. Do you think the German people wanted to exterminate Jewish people? Of course not, it was the few extremist in power. But no one tried to stop the extremist. (I'm going to assume even you don't think that the holocaust didn't happen?)
Liberate Iraq? LIBERATE IRAQ??!! WOW!! you are totally clueless
the reason we are hated is because of ignorant douche-bags like you who give the rest of us a bad name.
Muslim extremists?? hahahahah!! try CIA,Mossad & M16.
Germany committed heinous acts and the German people didn't stop it because they were controlled by lies,fear & propaganda,just like a lot of people in this country(namely YOU!!)
In my world most people ARE happy and love eachother... but there are plenty of people who aren't like that. Americans arent' the only people hated you know! Americans hate too. I would safely say that every group of people in the world are hated... this is no reason to go out there and make them hate you more
yah like them god damn guinness drinkin clover wavin not-being-able-to-pronounce-TH-properly irish!
Liberate Iraq? by going in and bombing the fuck out of them? Yeh, the people being bombed rarely see that as very liberating. Did you see 9/11 as liberating for you? I'm sure it's even offensive for me to ask that question... however it's just in reply to your ignorant comment. I don't believe 9/11 happened?
My mistake, I didn't mean 9/11 in general didn't happen, I meant that you didn't believe the official story happened. Sorry for the confusion.
As for bombing the F#&$ out of Iraq..... You insinuate that is all we did there? Do we just blow up cities and move on to the next? Or did the troops go door to door looking for insurgents? Why didn't we just drop a really big bomb and call it a day? We could have turned Iraq in to glass in one day!
it only debunks if your stupid enough to swallow their bullshit lies(yellow journalism at it's best)
I have a master's degree in engineering... seemed pretty solid to me. Everything is based in science. Every conspiracy story is full of holes and conjecture, and is pretty much the definition of "Yellow Journalism."
is this the best you can come up with troll?? & do you really want me to point out all the words you spelled wrong?
Please do! And please re-read my post, because I never once said "spelling". Many web browsers will spell check for you! I said Grammar! Seems you have a reading comprehension problem. You also missed the point entirely; if you are going to call someone uneducated.... you shouldn't make a bunch of grammar errors in the process!
For your future reference, name calling is the first sign of message board defeat, so you better keep the "trolls" to yourself!
you seem to think i based my beliefs on a single documentary when in fact i have read several books,seen at least 2 dozen documentaries and i have read hundreds of articles pertaining to every facet of 9-11
You read the word "grammar" in my post, and infer spelling? So even if you did read several books on the subject, how can you be sure your mind didn't fill in the blanks? Also, please list all books and documentaries you refer too.
Liberate Iraq? LIBERATE IRAQ??!! WOW!! you are totally clueless
If people are better off living under a dictator than living in a Democracy (or Republic in our case).... then why don't you go live under a dictator? Since you say "we" in reference to the USA, I assume you live here. Why don't you leave?
Muslim extremists?? hahahahah!! try CIA,Mossad & M16.
I forgot... Islam is the religion of peace! It makes much more sense that the CIA pulled off 9-11 to accomplish something! I think your screen name fits you very well!
Germany committed heinous acts and the German people didn't stop it because they were controlled by lies,fear & propaganda,just like a lot of people in this country(namely YOU!!)
Controlled by lies, fear and propaganda.... sounds like why most people vote for Democrats! "McCain is going to take away your Medicare.... better vote for Hussein Osama!"
Liberate Iraq? by going in and bombing the fuck out of them? Yeh, the people being bombed rarely see that as very liberating. Did you see 9/11 as liberating for you? I'm sure it's even offensive for me to ask that question... however it's just in reply to your ignorant comment. I don't believe 9/11 happened?
My mistake, I didn't mean 9/11 in general didn't happen, I meant that you didn't believe the official story happened. Sorry for the confusion.
As for bombing the F#&$ out of Iraq..... You insinuate that is all we did there? Do we just blow up cities and move on to the next? Or did the troops go door to door looking for insurgents? Why didn't we just drop a really big bomb and call it a day? We could have turned Iraq in to glass in one day!
it only debunks if your stupid enough to swallow their bullshit lies(yellow journalism at it's best)
I have a master's degree in engineering... seemed pretty solid to me. Everything is based in science. Every conspiracy story is full of holes and conjecture, and is pretty much the definition of "Yellow Journalism."
is this the best you can come up with troll?? & do you really want me to point out all the words you spelled wrong?
Please do! And please re-read my post, because I never once said "spelling". Many web browsers will spell check for you! I said Grammar! Seems you have a reading comprehension problem. Replying to your posts is really hard; I want to fix all your grammar mistakes!
For your future reference, name calling is the first sign of message board defeat, so you better keep the "trolls" to yourself!
you seem to think i based my beliefs on a single documentary when in fact i have read several books,seen at least 2 dozen documentaries and i have read hundreds of articles pertaining to every facet of 9-11
You read the word "grammar" in my post, and infer spelling? So even if you did read several books on the subject, how can you be sure your mind didn't fill in the blanks? Also, please list all books and documentaries you refer too.
Liberate Iraq? LIBERATE IRAQ??!! WOW!! you are totally clueless
If people are better off living under a dictator than living in a Democracy.... then why don't you go live under a dictator? Since you say "we" in reference to the USA, I assume you live here. Why don't you leave?
Muslim extremists?? hahahahah!! try CIA,Mossad & M16.
I forgot... Islam is the religion of peace! It makes much more sense that the CIA pulled off 9-11 to accomplish something! I think your screen name fits you very well!
Germany committed heinous acts and the German people didn't stop it because they were controlled by lies,fear & propaganda,just like a lot of people in this country(namely YOU!!)
Controlled by lies, fear and propaganda.... sounds like why most people vote for Democrats! "McCain is going to take away your Medicare.... better vote for Hussein Osama!"
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Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Oh, you are one of those nuts who think that 9-11 was an inside job, despite all the evidence to the contrary? Who cares where the hijackers were from? Osama is not from Afghanistan! He was exiled from Saudi Arabia, maybe some of his followers went with him? Maybe he recruited from other countries? Where they are originally from has NO bearing on this discussion.
What I can't understand is what you are even trying to say here?!?! I'm sure it was an excellent point though!
I guess in your world everyone is happy, and loves each other?
Oh I get it now.... 9-11 was in inside job. There actually is nobody who wants to hurt us. George Bush went to war for oil. America is the great Satan, yet you still live here. I see now, you've had too many Heinekens!
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You sure do ASSUME a lot, and I don't watch CNN, so quit trying to label me so that you feel more secure in yourself. I actually voted for Bush twice, so I have more of a reason to be pissed then anyone because the fucker lied, lied and lied some more and I believed it, now I have friends who are DEAD for NO REASON!!!!
Iraq would be better without us and we would be better for it, we may have actually caught Bin Laden by now, if we would have focused on the real enemy! Those are the facts! If you don't believe me, quit watching FOX news and read the soldier blogs and educate yourself!
Now back to my ORIGINAL POINT, which was never about abortion. I was just extremely pissed off that people could vote for a president simply because he is pro life. I don't really care about anyone's stance on pro life or pro choice, I just can't get over the fact that you could base a vote simply on that, given the time we are living in!
After your first paragraph, I just started laughing, thanks for that, but obviously I am trying to have an adult discussion so I cannot respond to the rest of it.
Next time, have them use PRICELINE to find a room so they don't have to stay with you!
I brought my girlfriend to a large family gathering yesterday....after introducing her to like 20 people, I realized that my family is pretty solid. No one is embarassing...maybe a bit annoying, but I am thankful that everyone is educated and on the progessive side!
Only one cousin said "Kudos to you for being able to put-up with Joe!"
Must be nice! And, yes, kudos to her your girlfriend!
She is a saint, isn't she?
"But --you say that Dreams have no power here? Tell me, Lucifer Morningstar...Ask yourselves, all of you...What power would hell have if those here imprisoned were not able to Dream of Heaven?" Dream speaking to Lucifer as written by Neil Gaiman.
there is no "real" evidence to the contrary and if you believe the "official" 9-11 story then you are the one who is nuts.
you don't know what the fuck you're talking about so i suggest you educate yourself before joining the fray because if your going to spew that popular mechanics/history channel dis-information garbage you can tell it to someone else.
yeah the idiots in this country have been brainwashed into thinking guns are bad and only the police should have them. morons with no clue of history or why the forefathers made the second amendment,and it's 2nd!! that's how important it is.
Hitler,Mao,Pol Pot,Stalin they all enforced gun control a few years before the genocide started.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
-Thomas Jefferson, Proposed Virginia Constitution, 1776, Jefferson Papers 344
"Gun bans don't disarm criminals, gun bans attract them." -- Walter Mondale, U.S. Ambassador to Japan, 4/20/94
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them." -George Mason, during Virginia's ratification convention, 1788
the 9-11 world trade center attacks.
oh,ok.
it wasn't Osama and 19 dudes from Saudi Arabia that attacked us.
all the evidence points to it being an inside job.
does it SOUND CRAZY? of course it does! but if you think that you have a Gov that would bomb people all over the world and kill MILLIONS over the span of a few decades, but wouldn't kill a few thousand at home to get what they want,well that is crazy! crazy naive!!!
wait for it....at the very end... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fToRej14lCQ
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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but i'd hafto agree that basing the next leader of your country on the age old debate over abortion is pretty scary
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I see you assume even more than I do! And you miss my title about "playing devil's advocate"! Seriously though, you can't beleive that Iraq was better off with the butcher in control? Here is a tip for you, you can vote for someone based soley on one stance! It all depends on what you feel strongly about. For me, it is nuclear power. Not only my job, but the most imporant thing for the future of this country... energy independance! That one issue "could" be enough to sway my vote to a liberal. Maybe someone else had an abortion and terribly regrets it.... maybe they feel better if they try to stop others from making the same mistake?
He is talking about a documentary done by popular mechanics featuring subject matter experts; it completely debunks any conspiracy theories.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html
I don't know what I am talking about and should educate myself.... says the person with horrible grammar! I know it is an internet message board, and we all type fast, but come on! If you are going to call out someone for being un-educated, at least don't do it with grammar errors!
How is an internet documentary by a guy who couldn't even get in to film school better than real documentary done by educated experts? Because you beleive what you want to beleive!
http://www.america.gov/st/pubs-english/2007/March/20070330134723abretnuh0.9919245.html
The problem is, the US would be hated either way. If we didn't liberate Iraq, people would hate us for not doing anything. The liberals would berate Bush for not helping Iraq, and letting Sadam continue his reign of terror. If you don't beleive that, then you have no idea how politics works in this country.
That aside, the real problem here is muslim extremists. They want to kill non-muslims, and spread their religion around the world. I know you don't beleive this, becasue you don't beleive that 9-11 really happened. But it is true. Right now the extremists are a small portion. But that is all it takes. Do you think the German people wanted to exterminate Jewish people? Of course not, it was the few extremist in power. But no Germans tried to stop the extremist in power. (I'm going to assume even you don't think that the holocaust didn't happen?)
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Hmm... so christians have never tried to force their religion upon the world?
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
replace one killer with an even worse one! MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!
it only debunks if your stupid enough to swallow their bullshit lies(yellow journalism at it's best)
is this the best you can come up with troll?? & do you really want me to point out all the words you spelled wrong?
you seem to think i based my beliefs on a single documentary when in fact i have read several books,seen at least 2 dozen documentaries and i have read hundreds of articles pertaining to every facet of 9-11
Liberate Iraq? LIBERATE IRAQ??!! WOW!! you are totally clueless
the reason we are hated is because of ignorant douche-bags like you who give the rest of us a bad name.
Muslim extremists?? hahahahah!! try CIA,Mossad & M16.
Germany committed heinous acts and the German people didn't stop it because they were controlled by lies,fear & propaganda,just like a lot of people in this country(namely YOU!!)
As for bombing the F#&$ out of Iraq..... You insinuate that is all we did there? Do we just blow up cities and move on to the next? Or did the troops go door to door looking for insurgents? Why didn't we just drop a really big bomb and call it a day? We could have turned Iraq in to glass in one day! You obviously have no concept of the atrocities Sadam committed over the years. I have a master's degree in engineering... seemed pretty solid to me. Everything is based in science. Every conspiracy story is full of holes and conjecture, and is pretty much the definition of "Yellow Journalism." Please do! And please re-read my post, because I never once said "spelling". Many web browsers will spell check for you! I said Grammar! Seems you have a reading comprehension problem. You also missed the point entirely; if you are going to call someone uneducated.... you shouldn't make a bunch of grammar errors in the process!
For your future reference, name calling is the first sign of message board defeat, so you better keep the "trolls" to yourself! You read the word "grammar" in my post, and infer spelling? So even if you did read several books on the subject, how can you be sure your mind didn't fill in the blanks? Also, please list all books and documentaries you refer too. If people are better off living under a dictator than living in a Democracy (or Republic in our case).... then why don't you go live under a dictator? Since you say "we" in reference to the USA, I assume you live here. Why don't you leave? Again with the name calling, you must be getting desperate! The real reason we are hated is because we have a quality of life that others want. I forgot... Islam is the religion of peace! It makes much more sense that the CIA pulled off 9-11 to accomplish something! I think your screen name fits you very well! Controlled by lies, fear and propaganda.... sounds like why most people vote for Democrats! "McCain is going to take away your Medicare.... better vote for Hussein Osama!"
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My mistake, I didn't mean 9/11 in general didn't happen, I meant that you didn't believe the official story happened. Sorry for the confusion.
As for bombing the F#&$ out of Iraq..... You insinuate that is all we did there? Do we just blow up cities and move on to the next? Or did the troops go door to door looking for insurgents? Why didn't we just drop a really big bomb and call it a day? We could have turned Iraq in to glass in one day!
You obviously have no concept of the atrocities Sadam committed over the years.
I have a master's degree in engineering... seemed pretty solid to me. Everything is based in science. Every conspiracy story is full of holes and conjecture, and is pretty much the definition of "Yellow Journalism."
Please do! And please re-read my post, because I never once said "spelling". Many web browsers will spell check for you! I said Grammar! Seems you have a reading comprehension problem. Replying to your posts is really hard; I want to fix all your grammar mistakes!
For your future reference, name calling is the first sign of message board defeat, so you better keep the "trolls" to yourself!
You read the word "grammar" in my post, and infer spelling? So even if you did read several books on the subject, how can you be sure your mind didn't fill in the blanks? Also, please list all books and documentaries you refer too.
If people are better off living under a dictator than living in a Democracy.... then why don't you go live under a dictator? Since you say "we" in reference to the USA, I assume you live here. Why don't you leave?
Again with the name calling, you must be getting desperate! The real reason we are hated is because we have a quality of life that others want.
I forgot... Islam is the religion of peace! It makes much more sense that the CIA pulled off 9-11 to accomplish something! I think your screen name fits you very well!
Controlled by lies, fear and propaganda.... sounds like why most people vote for Democrats! "McCain is going to take away your Medicare.... better vote for Hussein Osama!"
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