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geniegenie Posts: 2,222
edited July 2008 in All Encompassing Trip
ok, i'm kinda curious as to what would be your point where you decide that life is not worth living, where you decide that you have to much on your hands to cope with or for that fact to little.

for everyone who wants to reply i'd like them to list the things that would push them to either not care for themselves and let themselves go or commit suicide.

and yes, that's right genie is back ;) with more twisted and dark thoughts on her mind!
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  • AmentsChickAmentsChick Posts: 6,969
    I'm not comfortable answering this.
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  • geniegenie Posts: 2,222
    AmentsChick wrote:
    I'm not comfortable answering this.

    you don't have to :) you have a choice ya know, it's not like i know where you live and going to punish you for not answering :D
    however i'm pretty sure, i gave something interesting to ponder about, whether you like the idea of it or not
  • SwanSwan Posts: 350
    i don't think that point would ever come for me, i've got too much to live for.
    I'm the only Hell Mama ever raised.
  • geniegenie Posts: 2,222
    Swan wrote:
    i don't think that point would ever come for me, i've got too much to live for.

    ok, suppose you have an accident on the road and end up tied down to the chair, would that make you or break you?
    suppose you accidentally catch AIDS, would you still want to live?
    suppose there was a well known gang after you...example: Hells Angels, would you still want to live hiding from them all your life?
  • eyedclaareyedclaar Posts: 6,980
    genie wrote:
    ok, i'm kinda curious as to what would be your point where you decide that life is not worth living, where you decide that you have to much on your hands to cope with or for that fact to little.

    for everyone who wants to reply i'd like them to list the things that would push them to either not care for themselves and let themselves go or commit suicide.

    and yes, that's right genie is back ;) with more twisted and dark thoughts on her mind!

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  • geniegenie Posts: 2,222
    eyedclaar wrote:
    Remember the end of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid? That's about when I'd be at peace with my fate but I'd still go out shooting.

    sorry i'm not really into westerns, so would be much appreciated if you can tell me what happened at the end of the movie :)
  • eyedclaareyedclaar Posts: 6,980
    genie wrote:
    ok, suppose you have an accident on the road and end up tied down to the chair, would that make you or break you?
    suppose you accidentally catch AIDS, would you still want to live?
    suppose there was a well known gang after you...example: Hells Angels, would you still want to live hiding from them all your life?

    Oh yes, now I remember... I'm such a baby about the thought of living with disabilities that I told my wife to shoot me if I ever so much as lose a fingernail.

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  • eyedclaareyedclaar Posts: 6,980
    genie wrote:
    sorry i'm not really into westerns, so would be much appreciated if you can tell me what happened at the end of the movie :)

    They were cornered by the Mexican army and shot down in a blaze of glory (this was long before Bon Jovi ruined that expression).
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  • markymark550markymark550 Columbia, SC Posts: 5,174
    Seeing my grandfather after his stroke, I can understand how someone can just give up. He had a stroke in June of 2006 and he was rendered paralyzed on the right side of his body. He was confined to a wheelchair, couldn't care for himself, couldn't even verbally communicate and I think he finally got to a point where he didn't want to continue on in that state. He passed away last month after living like that for 2 years. Even with constant support from his family, I think the toll of his physical state was too much to bear for him and I can't fault him for that. I believe that for him it was living 2 years in his own hell. If I were in that kind of situation, I don't know how I would handle it, but if I didn't have any hope of recovery I could see how I would consider it.
  • SwanSwan Posts: 350
    genie wrote:
    ok, suppose you have an accident on the road and end up tied down to the chair, would that make you or break you?
    suppose you accidentally catch AIDS, would you still want to live?
    suppose there was a well known gang after you...example: Hells Angels, would you still want to live hiding from them all your life?

    are you that far removed from society? people in wheelchairs live as productive a life as anybody.

    they have medication for AIDS patients now that extend their lifespan.

    and they have this thing called witness protection to help when gangs like the hells angels are after you.
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  • Corey LynnCorey Lynn Posts: 681
    I have MS. I had a very different view on this topic prior to this happening. I was diagnosed in March. I do not have disabilities.....yet. But their is a real possibility that I will in the future...it is odd. Hard to describe how the realization that you probably know the outcome of your future affects you. I just am thankful every day (well, probably not as much as I should be) that I am not disabled yet. but, I am not sure that I would want to continue on if things got as bad as they could. (I am A RN, and for some reason I get the really bad MS patients often (sick joke maybe)...so I know). But...for the time being....I am going to ride this thing out.


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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    I have been investigating exit strategies for a while now and have discussed it with my family and friends.

    Should I be nearing a time when I am no longer able to care for myself and if I feel the quality of my life is only going to take a further downward spiral then before that happens I will have a slap up party and then I'm out.

    Hopefully I'll be able to die of natural causes after a long and happy life but I'll not be sitting around in a wheelchair, with a catheter having to rely on other people for every little thing, especially personal care.
    NOPE!!!

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  • comebackwomancomebackwoman Posts: 7,271
    If I lost all hope. No matter how shitty things get, as long as I have hope that they will get better or hope that I can handle whatever I'm dealing with...well then I can get through. That's the key for me
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  • Lukin66Lukin66 Posts: 3,063
    I always thought that if I had an incurable illness that DRAMATICALLY affected my quality of life, I would start to consider ways out. Otherwise, I just don't think it would be something I would do.
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  • libragirllibragirl Posts: 4,632
    I don't think I ever would do it..but I have been thinking about it a lot lately. I just have been getting overwhelmed with a lot of things. I really do not want to list all the stuff...Ive done enough "venting" on here. I really think if I had the guts I would do it. I have a shitload of sleeping pills in my drawer.
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  • elmerelmer Posts: 1,683
    genie wrote:
    suppose there was a well known gang after you...example: Hells Angels, would you still want to live hiding from them all your life?
    Haha, those grizzly hicks still knockin about today? makes me think of the film Raising Arizona.

    being totally alone in the world could do it, pull the tarot card "Death" into my thoughts and I'd probably take the Intercity train route out, for the sureity. Do you know what it is to long for what has passed without promise of its return? It'd be that feeling intensified leading up.

    With a gun, the suicide act wouldn't be no big deal. All the pre-meditation and stewing could be bypassed and you could just go out on a whim with a click. Stupid eh?
    A few thoughts there. Anyway, happy-happy joy-joy......
  • Corey LynnCorey Lynn Posts: 681
    libragirl wrote:
    I don't think I ever would do it..but I have been thinking about it a lot lately. I just have been getting overwhelmed with a lot of things. I really do not want to list all the stuff...Ive done enough "venting" on here. I really think if I had the guts I would do it. I have a shitload of sleeping pills in my drawer.


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  • libragirllibragirl Posts: 4,632
    Corey Lynn wrote:
    The world breaks everyone and afterward many are stronger at the broken places. (Hemingway, Ernest).

    I like that quote...

    yeah i really shouldn't have said that..it sounds crazy..but sometimes i feel crazy.
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  • releaselaurenreleaselauren Posts: 384
    While I would never think about taking my life, the only thing that would probably have me contemplating suicide is if my children passed away. I hope I never have to go through that hell and they live a long life, and I do, as well.
    "you shall be released" ~ EV
  • Brain of J.LoBrain of J.Lo Posts: 3,259
    releaselauren wrote:
    While I would never think about taking my life, the only thing that would probably have me contemplating suicide is if my children passed away. I hope I never have to go through that hell and they live a long life, and I do, as well.

    That would be my absolute breaking point, as well.

    I can't imagine surviving my child. The thought sends me into a complete panic and I can't imagine going on after that. :(
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,929
    genie wrote:
    ok, i'm kinda curious as to what would be your point where you decide that life is not worth living, where you decide that you have to much on your hands to cope with or for that fact to little.

    for everyone who wants to reply i'd like them to list the things that would push them to either not care for themselves and let themselves go or commit suicide.

    and yes, that's right genie is back ;) with more twisted and dark thoughts on her mind!

    this reminds me of my wacky literature professor in college who had us all write a suicide note our first day
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    this reminds me of my wacky literature professor in college who had us all write a suicide note our first day

    Wow! That's sounds interesting. Did you have to share them with the rest of the class? How did he mark them? Afterwards did you tear it up?
    NOPE!!!

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  • Urban HikerUrban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    I fear dismemberment much more than death.

    I would not want to be a quadriplegic. I need to write up papers for this sort of thing.
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  • wolfbearwolfbear Posts: 3,965
    I don't think anyone knows until they are there. At least that's how I think about it. All animals have survival and coping skills, so one can only guess at what would send them over the top, but what sends one over may not another. I have thought about this quite a bit as my dad was paralyzed before I was born yet lived a wonderful full life until he was in such pain he finally committed suicide. I fully support euthanasia in animals and humans and hope it passes here as it has in Oregon. I would like to know it's available should I ever feel the need. :)
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Corey Lynn wrote:
    The world breaks everyone and afterward many are stronger at the broken places. (Hemingway, Ernest).

    oh yeah great... this from someone who topped himself.
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  • Corey LynnCorey Lynn Posts: 681
    catefrances wrote:
    oh yeah great... this from someone who topped himself.

    No Shit. Thank you Wikipedia...I now know incredibly too much information on Hemingway. I did not know that he committed suicide .Ironic, huh?


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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Corey Lynn wrote:
    No Shit. Thank you Wikipedia...I now know incredibly too much information on Hemingway. I did not know that he committed suicide .Ironic, huh?

    hemingways father , brother and sister committed suicide.


    my father was a coward. he shot himself without necessity. at least i thought so. i had gone through it myself until i figured it in my head. i knew what it was to be a coward and what it was to cease being a coward. now, truly, in actual danger i felt a clean feeling as in a shower. of course it was easy now. that was because i no longer care what happened. i knew it was better to live it so that if you died you had done everything that you could do about your work and your enjoymrnt of life up to that minute, reconciling the two, which is very difficult. - ernest hemingway
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  • Corey LynnCorey Lynn Posts: 681
    yeah. It looks like he may have been bi-polar or had another condition that affected him mentally (along with others in his family). It makes you wonder if he would have still have had such a great talent in absence of the mental illness. Somehow, I doubt it. We see it all the time...the most brilliant people seem to be broken in other ways.


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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Corey Lynn wrote:
    yeah. It looks like he may have been bi-polar or had another condition that affected him mentally (along with others in his family). It makes you wonder if he would have still have had such a great talent in absence of the mental illness. Somehow, I doubt it. We see it all the time...the most brilliant people seem to be broken in other ways.

    well im sure that electroconvulsive therapy didnt help him either.

    mental illness does take you places the average person never even thinks about, let alone visits. and those talented enough, or driven by the need to to use it, do.
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  • sj.brodiesj.brodie Posts: 468
    i read somewhere that suicide is a confession - that you didn't enjoy or understand life

    i think suicidal thoughts are a result of not knowing your place in the world, or agonizing over the 'meaning of life', emptiness etc

    I also recall this quote which i love. So to finish on a positive note;

    'if you're living in hell, keep going'

    be strong!
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