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Heath Ledger for an academy award???

pjfan31pjfan31 Posts: 7,335
edited July 2008 in All Encompassing Trip
I saw the new batman tonight, Heath Ledger is awesome. I have heard critics saying he may get an oscar, but for a batman movie?? He is crazy in it. I hope he does get it.

"why so serious?"

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  • CROJAM95CROJAM95 Posts: 9,981
    From what I've heard people say this is more than just a comic book movie, its a smart crime drama.

    I'll let you know after I see it tonight

    Why not Heath, I'm kinda sick of Oscars going to artsy fartsy films all the time

    The academy is usually out of touch, thats why hardly any love for ITW
  • stylo17stylo17 Posts: 1,001
    doubt it'll happen. it's only happened once that an actor receives an Oscar post-humously
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  • John Briggs 2008John Briggs 2008 Posts: 1,024
    The buzz is strong among Hollywood big wigs in the academy that it's a done deal.
  • pjsteelerfanpjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,903
    Even the washington post said Ledger was amazing in this film. The post hates every movie, I'm surprised they even review them anymore.
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  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    CROJAM95 wrote:
    Why not Heath, I'm kinda sick of Oscars going to artsy fartsy films all the time
    Yeah, it sure does suck that art gets recognition over corporate entertainment :rolleyes:

    Anyway, as far as I've heard, The Dark Night is about as "artsy fartsy" as comic book movies get.
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  • libragirllibragirl Posts: 4,632
    If he delivers a oscar-worthy performance I don't see how it being a batman movie would matter.
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  • Sian-of-the-deadSian-of-the-dead Posts: 8,963
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    Anyway, as far as I've heard, The Dark Night is about as "artsy fartsy" as comic book movies get.
    If by that you mean it's the most true to the comics, then yes.
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  • CROJAM95CROJAM95 Posts: 9,981
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    Yeah, it sure does suck that art gets recognition over corporate entertainment :rolleyes:

    Anyway, as far as I've heard, The Dark Night is about as "artsy fartsy" as comic book movies get.


    I'm not a fan of huge Hollywood movies that just use CGI, and blow shit up to impress people

    A good story is key to a good movie.

    The Academy is all about kissing ass, rewarding people on weaker performances the year of the awards, because years ago that certain someone shoulda won

    If Denzel can win for Training Day(I liked) than Heath can win for Dark Knight
  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    libragirl wrote:
    If he delivers a oscar-worthy performance I don't see how it being a batman movie would matter.

    Yep, I mean Nicholson was nominated for a Golden Globe and a Bafta (British Academy Awards) for his portrayal of the Joker in 1989. So if Heath's performance is on par, I can't see why he wouldn't receive a few posthumous nominations.
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 17,163
    If he's categorized as "supporting actor" instead of lead (since Bale is Batman), then I think the Academy snobboes are less likely to snub him because its a Batman movie.
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  • nfanelnfanel Posts: 2,558
    according to this article his chances don't look too good:
    http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/va/20080716/121624914500.html

    Oscar watchers dampen award hype for Ledger's Joker
    Wednesday July 16 3:59 PM ET


    When the new Batman movie "The Dark Night" began screenings last month before its U.S. debut on Friday, some moviegoers saw Heath Ledger as an instant Oscar candidate as the deranged villain, The Joker.

    But Oscar watchers and veteran critics say the joke may be on fans creating mostly Internet-based buzz because an Academy Award for the Australian actor, who died of an accidental drug overdose in January, would be a rare event.

    Only one actor has won an Oscar after death, Peter Finch for 1976's "Network."

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    "Dark Knight" is the type of comic book, action adventure that Oscar voters generally do not favor and there are many movies to see later this year, the experts said.

    Still, Ledger's critically hailed performance may bring a nomination for the U.S. film industry's top award, to be presented next on February 22, 2009.

    "All this Oscar talk is a phenomenon of the Internet age that I like to call 'a wish-fulfillment rumor.' If people say it often enough, they think it will happen," said Leonard Maltin, film critic for TV program "Entertainment Tonight."

    "That's not to say it might not happen," he said, citing a "great performance" by Ledger. "But I assure you that the people who are spreading all this are neither Oscar voters nor (Hollywood) movers and shakers."

    Tom O'Neil, a columnist for award-watching Web site The Envelope.com, said "it really looks good" for a nomination but was "a long shot" to win.

    Hollywood has a long history of seeing big stars -- James Dean, Marilyn Monroe and Bruce Lee among them -- appearing in high-profile films released after their untimely deaths.

    O'Neil said that when Finch died, Hollywood was in the middle of Oscar season and also in shock. Prior to that, Robert De Niro was sweeping the critics' awards for "Taxi Driver."

    Veteran Oscar watcher O'Neil also sees parallels between the truncated careers of Ledger and James Dean.

    "Like Heath, James Dean was a heartthrob star who was considered a serious actor, who died tragically young," O'Neil said. "He was nominated twice posthumously, for "East of Eden" and "Giant," and he lost both times."

    Even the legendary Spencer Tracy was ignored by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, which gives out the Oscars, after he died in 1967 just as "Guess Who's Coming To Dinner?" was coming. And he was the front-runner, O'Neil said.

    Tracy's co-star Katharine Hepburn did win best actress for "Guess Who's Coming To Dinner?"

    "That's how reluctant Oscar voters are to hug the dead," O'Neil said. "These awards are all about hugs and there's something creepy about embracing the dead."
  • hoopinmanhoopinman Posts: 294
    Ill make my opinion known after I see the movie next week(IMAX BABY!!!!)


    but heres my take so far.....if Gary Oldman ,Michael Caine, and Morgan Freeman says he deserve it....who am I to argue????
  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    CROJAM95 wrote:
    The Academy is all about kissing ass, rewarding people on weaker performances the year of the awards, because years ago that certain someone shoulda won
    Well Daniel Day-Lewis won the best actor before in 1989 for My Left Foot so presumably his oscar last year for There Will Be Blood was somewhat more than a sympathy vote, no?

    The Academy means fuck all but don't slate it for rewarding genuinely ground-breaking films over big-budget studio crap.
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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    i'd vote for him.
  • MLC2006MLC2006 Posts: 861
    I can't say that Heath Ledger was better than Jack Nicholson. maybe evens. but, he was damn good. I thought it was a joke that he was going to try to fill Nicholson's shoes, but I stand corrected on this one.

    the 1989 Batman is in my alltime top 10. but yeah, this movie today was good. you'll come away feeling that they are two different characters. the Nicholson Joker was a funny, light-hearted killer. the Ledger Joker had me thinking, "man, this guy is a bad motherfucker". both great in their own ways, but completely different.

    the story was pretty good. like somebody else said, it was more like an action crime drama than a superhero movie. kind of like what would happen if the baddest fucker on earth got out on the streets and went crazy, how would stop him? that kind of movie.
  • failedpersephonefailedpersephone Posts: 3,424
    the academy award was started to promote the flagging sales of box office "poison" pictures over the cheaper priced b movies. the studios created an awards show to inspire interest in their "stable" of stars...movies that didn't fair well at the box office were promoted through the academy and rereleased as "winners" thereby giving their studios a chance to make money on them.

    obviously there were exceptions.

    so it has never really been a good barometer of artistic integrity or even popular opinion.

    academy members lately have liked to do things for the sake of historic significance...

    it's a bunch of BS...
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  • HatredThrownDownHatredThrownDown Posts: 292
    saw it today..an amazing movie and an amazing performance. im not a huge comic book fan but this one is mind blowing. i say oscar winning so far.
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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    i actually found myself getting impatient during the fight scenes, waiting for more Joker or Two Face talky scenes. the script was great.
  • PearlJamaholicPearlJamaholic Posts: 2,019
    i read the yahoo story the other day, i hope its wrong though. they mentioned there is alot of good movies to still come out this, like what? ledger is on a whole other level then whats been out this year, and i dont see anything coming out to top his joker.
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  • beachdwellerbeachdweller Posts: 1,532
    pjfan31 wrote:
    I saw the new batman tonight, Heath Ledger is awesome. I have heard critics saying he may get an oscar, but for a batman movie?? He is crazy in it. I hope he does get it.

    "why so serious?"

    Edit: Whoops merge this with the dark knight thread if you need to...

    I'd have to say yes, just returned, he was brilliant.
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  • ryan198ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    ledger was good...movie sucked bad. how does the love of your life die, and a day later you are saving her killer? i'm sorry that just didn't make much sense to me...batman is the friggin' dark knight b/c he's a bad man, not because he makes the choice to save people. i wasn't watching superman was i? sorry i needed to do that. once again ledger good, movie bad.
  • nfanelnfanel Posts: 2,558
    ryan198 wrote:
    ledger was good...movie sucked bad. how does the love of your life die, and a day later you are saving her killer? i'm sorry that just didn't make much sense to me...batman is the friggin' dark knight b/c he's a bad man, not because he makes the choice to save people. i wasn't watching superman was i? sorry i needed to do that. once again ledger good, movie bad.
    did you see batman begins? that whole movie is basically about why he doesn't just kill people.....
  • ryan198ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    nfanel wrote:
    did you see batman begins? that whole movie is basically about why he doesn't just kill people.....
    that's a fair criticism of my criticism, but the love of his life? either way for this thread ledger was good.
  • samicksamick Posts: 373
    I say yes............


    in my mind no one else can play joker...........
  • Slip KidSlip Kid Posts: 1,175
    too bad he isn't around to portray him anymore
    I just don't trust anything that bleeds for five days and doesn't die.
  • ryan198ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    Slip Kid wrote:
    too bad he isn't around to portray him anymore
    maybe they'll bring back jack ;).
  • Slip KidSlip Kid Posts: 1,175
    ryan198 wrote:
    maybe they'll bring back jack ;).

    haha.. well lets hope not
    I just don't trust anything that bleeds for five days and doesn't die.
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    ryan198 wrote:
    that's a fair criticism of my criticism, but the love of his life? either way for this thread ledger was good.
    Joker always wants to fuck with him enough to make Batman kill him. Batman knows if he does, then the Joker broke him. Its kind of the defining aspect of their relationship.

    believe me if Batman killed jOker the comic book crowd would riot.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,240
    MrSmith wrote:
    Joker always wants to fuck with him enough to make Batman kill him. Batman knows if he does, then the Joker broke him. Its kind of the defining aspect of their relationship.

    believe me if Batman killed jOker the comic book crowd would riot.


    well he killed him in the '89 movie didnt he? let him fall off the ledge of that building?
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  • Strangest TribeStrangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    Heath Ledger was THE star of this movie.

    Incredible performance.


    no.... fucking wicked incredible performance....

    needs Oscar nod...much better than Jack and that's saying alot.
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