Exactly And I just checked my badass hefty dictionary and not once in a multi-item entry for 'marriage' does Collins mention religion.
It is the relationship between a husband and wife. Now I want to hear an anti-gay marriage christian telling me that Urbanhippie was never a wife and never had a husband.
off topic just a touch...
i love the fact the you mentioned your hefty badass dictionary.
awesome and awesome.
as you say.....dictionaries=badass
especially the hefty kind...
i love the fact the you mentioned your hefty badass dictionary.
awesome and awesome.
as you say.....dictionaries=badass
especially the hefty kind...
kinda like me, hefty......
carry on...
It is like, 4 times the size of all my other books, including my Norton Poetry Anthology which is rather huge itself.
And to keep topic integrity, the weight and dimensions of my dictionary are just right for beating all those who think gay marriage is wrong around the head until they repent.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
It is like, 4 times the size of all my other books, including my Norton Poetry Anthology which is rather huge itself.
And to keep topic integrity, the weight and dimensions of my dictionary are just right for beating all those who think gay marriage is wrong around the head until they repent.
I too have an extremely large dic
tionary. Seriously. I stole it from the last place I worked. Very old edition but I can't remember as it is home right now. Weighs no less than 25 pounds and is three times thicker than any other dictionary I have seen. So, my question is - did we lose a fuckin' bunch of words somewhere along the way or what? I mean, I know people are getting dumber by the second, but are words vanishing as well?
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It is like, 4 times the size of all my other books, including my Norton Poetry Anthology which is rather huge itself.
And to keep topic integrity, the weight and dimensions of my dictionary are just right for beating all those who think gay marriage is wrong around the head until they repent.
very nicely done sir.
if you don't mind i will add the bulk weight of my largest dictionary so you may beat them fuckers down just a bit more.
Anybody who thinks homosexuality is "learned" is a complete moron.
Anyone who thinks homosexuality is "learned" is probably ashamed the fact that they themselves have homosexual urges.
Nobody taught me to be straight. I developed crushes on Wonder Woman and Princess Leia long before I even knew what sex was.
If you think it is learned and can be unlearned, than your hiding that fact that you are Bi or even a homosexual yourself. Any real straight person can tell you its not learned. There's chemicals in our brains that just go nuts when straight guys see big breasts, curvy hips. That is not learned. That is genetic and an essential part of human survival.
i've never heard of a non-religious marriage. . .isn't that called a civil union or something?. . .as roland mentioned, i don't get why gay people would want to get married, for a tax break?
I'm probably way too late for this but no... marriage is not the religious ceremony, not in the eyes of the law. Me and my ex had a church ceremony but were not legally married until we signed a register in the registry office.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
I don't see the big deal about the ban. In the states that people have voted on referendums to change it, they were all voted down.
Maybe it would be more fair to allow it, then have it get voted down, but seriously, its one of the relatively few laws people have voted individually on, so you can't really argue with it.
That's sour grapes. I think marijuana should be legal, especially alcohol is sold in half the gas stations you go in. If people voted on it, it would get passed.
I honestly don't care either way about the gay thing. For the record, to my recollection, I have never had a homosexual urge, so not everybody gets them. I think the way a person is raised can also have an effect on their sexual orientation.
In fact, in the UK a solely religious ceremony must also be followed by a civil ceremony to be lawful. If you just get married in a church and don't sign the CIVIL register you're not married in law. Some people do this all in one go, others will have a seperate ceremony for each.
Ah yes, you beat me to it
It might be useful to mention that according to Judao-Christian history, marriage was purely an issue of law (albeit Jewish Law) for hundreds, thousands of years.. Marriage only became called a 'religious ceremony' after Christ. Before that there was no concept of religious ceremony and marriage. Marriage was just 'done'. And now Christians think they have the monopoly on it... which is strange. It's fine to add a Christian element if one wants to (if it adds significance for the believing couple, for example) but people need to understand that it is added, it's not inherent, and it certainly doesn't make it 'marriage' according to the law.
Edit: In fact, if the Christian right want to do it 'right', we'd better all go back to the days of betroathals as well.. Only then will we be doing it properly.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
I don't see the big deal about the ban. In the states that people have voted on referendums to change it, they were all voted down.
Maybe it would be more fair to allow it, then have it get voted down, but seriously, its one of the relatively few laws people have voted individually on, so you can't really argue with it.
That's sour grapes. I think marijuana should be legal, especially alcohol is sold in half the gas stations you go in. If people voted on it, it would get passed.
I honestly don't care either way about the gay thing. For the record, to my recollection, I have never had a homosexual urge, so not everybody gets them. I think the way a person is raised can also have an effect on their sexual orientation.
How can you say legalising marijuana is the same thing as legalising gay marriage? Are you fucking ON marijuana right now?? Put it down...
And what, so you've never had a homosexual urge so who gives a shit, right?
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
In any event, tax, insurance purposes, survivor rights, medical rights, property ownership, and support issues should have nothing to do with who your chosen person in life is, if you sign a legally binding agreement with another person regardless of the traditional ceremony aspect.
um, yes.....already exists - it's called LEGAL MARRIAGE.
when one goes and gets a marriage license and then has the marriage performed and witnessed...whether by a judge, a minster, prient, rabbi...whomever......non-religious or religious...your choice......THAT is your legally binding agreement. i DID have a religious wedding, mostly for the tradition of it, for my parents....and sure...i was young. for me though, it's the legal aspect that i appreciate. i don't need to announce to a god or others my love and devotion...but i DO fully appreciate one handy legal document binding us together, and all the rights and responsibilities it affords us as a couple. just like that.
In fact, in the UK a solely religious ceremony must also be followed by a civil ceremony to be lawful. If you just get married in a church and don't sign the CIVIL register you're not married in law. Some people do this all in one go, others will have a seperate ceremony for each.
it's the same here. without a marriage license, the marriage isn't legally recognized. no need for a seperate ceremony, although i guess you could do so if you desire.....but you just need the LEGAL marriage license, whether you have a religious ceremony or not.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
lady.. i dont think you 'get' what the threadstarter's opening post is about... its NOT what you think
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
i am really disappointed that i have not read a post from dunk yet stating that then no americans would be able to marry and thus further break down our country's family values.
i am going to guess that the OP is american. so to be fair, gay marriage is legal in 2 states, and there are also a few states that allow gay civil unions. this is an issue handled at the state level, as it's the states that issue marriage licences, so it is not a country-wide thing, across the board. there are many things that are determined state-by-state....so thus you'll have 50 different things going on. however, it is customary for one state to honor marriage licenses issued in another state....so i would imagine that a gay couple who marrys in CT would get recognized as married elsewhere, so so how it should work. also, it's my understanding that even in CA, where the ban is back in effect, that gay marriages performed in that state before the ban will still be recognized as legal.
i am really disappointed that i have not read a post from dunk yet stating that then no americans would be able to marry and thus further break down our country's family values.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
and i have no idea what the clip is, i do not view youtube while at work.
but seriously dunk, i thought for SURE your first post in this thread would be such a comment...an you've made a few, and nutthin'. shameful scotsman!
I KNEW you'd like Frankie Boyle Is it perhaps because you are the same person?
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Why is it so important to be like straight people if you're gay? Is it considered a disease or something?
good point. it's the same function with all the same rights... who cares if it's just a different name?
on a similar note, what's the deal with desegregation? i mean, black folk still got the same school resources under separate but equal, they just had to go to a different building. why was it so important that they get to go to the school with the white kids?
How can you say legalising marijuana is the same thing as legalising gay marriage? Are you fucking ON marijuana right now?? Put it down...
I didn't say it was the same thing, but there are just laws that have a few ways around them. If I was a big time stoner, and was really worried about gettin busted, I would move to a place where it is allowed. There are states and countries that allow it, so move there if you really wanna get married.
I didn't say it was the same thing, but there are just laws that have a few ways around them. If I was a big time stoner, and was really worried about gettin busted, I would move to a place where it is allowed. There are states and countries that allow it, so move there if you really wanna get married.
But you're equating homosexuality to a criminal activity here. It's not the 19th century. Why the fuck should a gay couple HAVE to move out of their home state just to get the same rights afforded to straight people?
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
But you're equating homosexuality to a criminal activity here. It's not the 19th century. Why the fuck should a gay couple HAVE to move out of their home state just to get the same rights afforded to straight people?
Methinks the gent you're arguing with is aptly named and thus not the sharpest pencil in the drawer. Good luck.
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There's a large population of other scots who look exactly like you and Frankie too. What is it, are you all related? Same hair, glasses, propensity towards crude humour etc
It's odd because my genes are as Scottish as yours and I also have fair hair and glasses, although my humour relies less on simply having an awesome accent and saying "cunt" a lot ( ), and yet I don't look like you or him or that standard model of Scot. Is it an environmental thing?
This has nothing to do with the subject... um... yeah, so um... Frankie Boyle said something about gay people.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
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off topic just a touch...
i love the fact the you mentioned your hefty badass dictionary.
awesome and awesome.
as you say.....dictionaries=badass
especially the hefty kind...
kinda like me, hefty......
carry on...
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
And to keep topic integrity, the weight and dimensions of my dictionary are just right for beating all those who think gay marriage is wrong around the head until they repent.
I too have an extremely large dic
tionary. Seriously. I stole it from the last place I worked. Very old edition but I can't remember as it is home right now. Weighs no less than 25 pounds and is three times thicker than any other dictionary I have seen. So, my question is - did we lose a fuckin' bunch of words somewhere along the way or what? I mean, I know people are getting dumber by the second, but are words vanishing as well?
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Lets face it, theyre just too liberal! :rolleyes:
Carry-on
"Its a secret to everybody."
very nicely done sir.
if you don't mind i will add the bulk weight of my largest dictionary so you may beat them fuckers down just a bit more.
thank you
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Nobody taught me to be straight. I developed crushes on Wonder Woman and Princess Leia long before I even knew what sex was.
If you think it is learned and can be unlearned, than your hiding that fact that you are Bi or even a homosexual yourself. Any real straight person can tell you its not learned. There's chemicals in our brains that just go nuts when straight guys see big breasts, curvy hips. That is not learned. That is genetic and an essential part of human survival.
I'm probably way too late for this but no... marriage is not the religious ceremony, not in the eyes of the law. Me and my ex had a church ceremony but were not legally married until we signed a register in the registry office.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
Maybe it would be more fair to allow it, then have it get voted down, but seriously, its one of the relatively few laws people have voted individually on, so you can't really argue with it.
That's sour grapes. I think marijuana should be legal, especially alcohol is sold in half the gas stations you go in. If people voted on it, it would get passed.
I honestly don't care either way about the gay thing. For the record, to my recollection, I have never had a homosexual urge, so not everybody gets them. I think the way a person is raised can also have an effect on their sexual orientation.
Ah yes, you beat me to it
It might be useful to mention that according to Judao-Christian history, marriage was purely an issue of law (albeit Jewish Law) for hundreds, thousands of years.. Marriage only became called a 'religious ceremony' after Christ. Before that there was no concept of religious ceremony and marriage. Marriage was just 'done'. And now Christians think they have the monopoly on it... which is strange. It's fine to add a Christian element if one wants to (if it adds significance for the believing couple, for example) but people need to understand that it is added, it's not inherent, and it certainly doesn't make it 'marriage' according to the law.
Edit: In fact, if the Christian right want to do it 'right', we'd better all go back to the days of betroathals as well.. Only then will we be doing it properly.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
How can you say legalising marijuana is the same thing as legalising gay marriage? Are you fucking ON marijuana right now?? Put it down...
And what, so you've never had a homosexual urge so who gives a shit, right?
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
um, yes.....already exists - it's called LEGAL MARRIAGE.
when one goes and gets a marriage license and then has the marriage performed and witnessed...whether by a judge, a minster, prient, rabbi...whomever......non-religious or religious...your choice......THAT is your legally binding agreement. i DID have a religious wedding, mostly for the tradition of it, for my parents....and sure...i was young.
it's the same here. without a marriage license, the marriage isn't legally recognized. no need for a seperate ceremony, although i guess you could do so if you desire.....but you just need the LEGAL marriage license, whether you have a religious ceremony or not.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
But it isn't in the OP's...
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in the what?
in the Original Poster's country..
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yeah i'd just give up if i were you amigo.
lady.. i dont think you 'get' what the threadstarter's opening post is about... its NOT what you think
i am going to guess that the OP is american. so to be fair, gay marriage is legal in 2 states, and there are also a few states that allow gay civil unions. this is an issue handled at the state level, as it's the states that issue marriage licences, so it is not a country-wide thing, across the board. there are many things that are determined state-by-state....so thus you'll have 50 different things going on. however, it is customary for one state to honor marriage licenses issued in another state....so i would imagine that a gay couple who marrys in CT would get recognized as married elsewhere, so so how it should work. also, it's my understanding that even in CA, where the ban is back in effect, that gay marriages performed in that state before the ban will still be recognized as legal.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
tons of food, tons of fat people, and tons of gay people all gettin down..
i wonder what they do with the turkey's drum stick?
i bet they eat it just like we all do
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
ah bollocks.. you just fucked up my next post
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX2j8I-B6SQ - my hero
tsk, tsk, tsk....too slow.
and i have no idea what the clip is, i do not view youtube while at work.
but seriously dunk, i thought for SURE your first post in this thread would be such a comment...an you've made a few, and nutthin'. shameful scotsman!
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
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good point. it's the same function with all the same rights... who cares if it's just a different name?
on a similar note, what's the deal with desegregation? i mean, black folk still got the same school resources under separate but equal, they just had to go to a different building. why was it so important that they get to go to the school with the white kids?
I didn't say it was the same thing, but there are just laws that have a few ways around them. If I was a big time stoner, and was really worried about gettin busted, I would move to a place where it is allowed. There are states and countries that allow it, so move there if you really wanna get married.
Methinks the gent you're arguing with is aptly named and thus not the sharpest pencil in the drawer. Good luck.
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There's a large population of other scots who look exactly like you and Frankie too. What is it, are you all related?
It's odd because my genes are as Scottish as yours and I also have fair hair and glasses, although my humour relies less on simply having an awesome accent and saying "cunt" a lot (
This has nothing to do with the subject... um... yeah, so um... Frankie Boyle said something about gay people.
but this hopefully change ...it is time for ....