I see. Well, even though you weren't insulting me, you could still probably stand to grow up a little bit. Name-calling is like running on a treadmill - it might make you feel good, but it gets you nowhere.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
no, if you smoked it just means you were a follower of trend and didn't think for yourself.
Well there's a mighty big supposition and generalization if ever I heard one.
How on earth would you be able to make that statement categorically including every smoker in it?
I guess it would be like me saying every anti smoker has a tendency to the judgemental and it's wired in their DNA. :rolleyes:
Yeah, we should agree to disagree I think, because I really can't see you adding anything of value to my opinions on this issue coming from where you are coming from, which is most certainly your right, but leaves me completely uninterested.
In conclusion I'll just say, if you don't smoke and you are attending a smoking venue then YOU make the decision to most likely be in second hand smoke, so if you are so opposed don't attend those venues and move away from the smoke if it bothers you so.
AND if you do smoke and you are attending a non smoking venue then DON'T light up around other people, the rules are there for a reason. If you are at a smoking venue I guess being aware of the comfort of the people around is something that I would be aware of but as far as I can see ultimately we all know that smoking can legally go on in the building so if it bothers you so, DON'T ATTEND. Simple really.
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
its called news....it gets around. Schools and chruches have promoted anti smoking to children since the 1930's.
I think you're overestimating the ability to easily communicate to large groups of people back then. Schools and churches cannot offset what children see at home, at the movies, and see in everyday life. Especially when they are lied to.
I see. Well, even though you weren't insulting me, you could still probably stand to grow up a little bit. Name-calling is like running on a treadmill - it might make you feel good, but it gets you nowhere.
I don't understand this analogy. Running on a treadmill does much more than simply make someone feel good. And it does get you somewhere. It helps get you in shape. In fact, it's a very effective cardiovascular exercise and a perfectly viable option, especially if outside conditions are not conducive for running.
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
I don't understand this analogy. Running on a treadmill does much more than simply make someone feel good. And it does get you somewhere. It helps get you in shape. In fact, it's a very effective cardiovascular exercise and a perfectly viable option, especially if outside conditions are not conducive for running.
Fine, I retract the analogy. But that means I haven't condemned namecalling as pointless, so I can call you a smartarse without being hypocritical.:p
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
I see. Well, even though you weren't insulting me, you could still probably stand to grow up a little bit. Name-calling is like running on a treadmill - it might make you feel good, but it gets you nowhere.
but wait, didn't you start with "condescending ass"? Oh nevermind, the no name calling doesn't apply to you.
and if everyone with the "disease" would have just listened when they were younger to the warnings or even just read the damn box, they wouldn't be addicted. Ignorant slobs.
And what did you eat today? Do you ever eat food that is not healthy for you? There is a lot of shit in this wonderful world of ours that is bad for us and we all deal with it. Cigarettes, Noxious fumes, Saturated fat, disease, etc. . .
Like others have said, there wasn't that big a deal about it in the olden days. I know I'm not super old, but I was old enough to notice a huge difference in how smoking was perceived in the early 80's to now. I when I was little in the 80's you could smoke in the mall, airplanes, school, all restaurants, and even the hospital. Don't you think people that ran these places had the information? Or are hospital directors Ignorant Slobs also? :rolleyes:
Smoking increases risks, but is not a death sentence. Not everyone who smokes dies from it. But it is certainly not a healthy habit.
And what did you eat today? Do you ever eat food that is not healthy for you? There is a lot of shit in this wonderful world of ours that is bad for us and we all deal with it. Cigarettes, Noxious fumes, Saturated fat, disease, etc. . .
Like others have said, there wasn't that big a deal about it in the olden days. I know I'm not super old, but I was old enough to notice a huge difference in how smoking was perceived in the early 80's to now. I when I was little in the 80's you could smoke in the mall, airplanes, school, all restaurants, and even the hospital. Don't you think people that ran these places had the information? Or are hospital directors Ignorant Slobs also? :rolleyes:
Smoking increases risks, but is not a death sentence. Not everyone who smokes dies from it. But it is certainly not a healthy habit.
Most habits are bad for your health!! Everything causes CANCER....from the sun to just having eggs......seriously everything you do is bad for you...and for the record I ate McDonalds for breakfast and Taco Bell for lunch....looks like Heart Disease is in my future...maybe sooner than later...but those Taco Surpremes are so good
And so the lion fell in love with the lamb...,"
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
Most habits are bad for your health!! Everything causes CANCER....from the sun to just having eggs......seriously everything you do is bad for you...and for the record I ate McDonalds for breakfast and Taco Bell for lunch....looks like Heart Disease is in my future...maybe sooner than later...but those Taco Surpremes are so good
Can you please explain why my reply regarding the benefits of exercise was deleted? There was absolutely no name calling and/or any abuse within the quoted post and my reply..Thanks..
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
I'm tired of the fools at concerts lighting up next to me. I know this is going to piss people off, but I could care less - my mother in law is dying from terminal lung cancer (she smoked for 40 years) and i have no tolerance for it anymore. After seeing someone suffer in immense pain and then crawl to the bathroom to smoke when she was too weak to walk - I wanna rip every friggin cigarette into a milllion pieces!! Her poor health has ruined my marriage (my wife takes care of her) and destroyed our personal lives (work and then be a caregiver).
I want everyone who smokes to know that they need to get some freakin balls and willpower and quit. I know I am venting some anger here - but if you smoke you will die an early death I guarantee it!!!!!!!!! If you are so stupid to take your own health and others around you for granted - then stay the f*ck away from me. I want no part of your cancer - your stained teeth, your rotten mouth, your diseased cough, or your second hand smoke!
Big Tobacco is just as bad as the oil companies - Greedy pigs! Please don't smoke next to me - because if you do god help you!!!!!!!!!!!
I feel badly for your marriage. My mom lives with us. She can walk, but not very well....has every ailment except cancer. It is very stressful on a marriage.
posted this before, my brother in law died of lung cancer at the age of 45.
he began smoking (anything) when he was a teen. my father in law had lung cancer surgery 5 years ago. I know 2 people with emphysema. I have a small build up in my neck arteries (called carotid artery) from smoking from the age of 12 to 31, off and on, usually 5 cigs a day. that buildup causes strokes. (I had mine tested at work, they did a sonogram on my neck)
I can't believe I used to smoke b/c when I go to shows (b4 smoking was eliminated in MD), it bothered me.
9/98, 9/00 - DC, 4/03 - Pitt., 7/03 - Bristow, 10/04 - Reading, 10/05 - Philly, 5/06 - DC, 6/06 - Pitt., 6/08 - Va Beach, 6/08 - DC, 5/10 - Bristow, 10/13 B'more
8/08 - Ed solo in DC, 6/09 Ed in B'more,
10/10 - Brad in B'more
You do know that people can smoke at concerts, right?
Here in Florida they allow smoking in closed venues however in the DC metro area no smoking is allowed in outside or inside venues. IMO that's a great idea especially if you want to take a child to a show.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I'm tired of the fools at concerts lighting up next to me. I know this is going to piss people off, but I could care less - my mother in law is dying from terminal lung cancer (she smoked for 40 years) and i have no tolerance for it anymore. After seeing someone suffer in immense pain and then crawl to the bathroom to smoke when she was too weak to walk - I wanna rip every friggin cigarette into a milllion pieces!! Her poor health has ruined my marriage (my wife takes care of her) and destroyed our personal lives (work and then be a caregiver).
I want everyone who smokes to know that they need to get some freakin balls and willpower and quit. I know I am venting some anger here - but if you smoke you will die an early death I guarantee it!!!!!!!!! If you are so stupid to take your own health and others around you for granted - then stay the f*ck away from me. I want no part of your cancer - your stained teeth, your rotten mouth, your diseased cough, or your second hand smoke!
Big Tobacco is just as bad as the oil companies - Greedy pigs! Please don't smoke next to me - because if you do god help you!!!!!!!!!!!
lol...good for you!
Yeah I do hate that when I go to concerts but usually someone is lighting up a joint..which is nasty too. I've seen too many people in my family die of cancer. I never even tried smoking, I was too scared.
These cuts are leaving creases. Trace the scars to fit the pieces, to tell the story, you don't need to say a word.
you have the right to walk away when someone near you is smoking in an area where it's legal for them to smoke. In a place where it's illegal for them to smoke (in an arena for instance), you can notify security and let them take care of it. but quit crying like a baby.
and how, if I don't smoke, am I "the tyrant, the dictator, and the sole reason that cigarette companies thrive?" because I don't care that people smoke? look, I've had the cigarette smoke of other people get in my face and I've been in bars that were filled with smoke like a gas chamber but I don't cry about it like you. why? because I could just not go to that bar. If you're in a seat at a PJ show and someone's smoke is bothering you, ask them to put it out or call security. if you're in the lawn, move.
I still can't get through to people who are so dead set on the its my way or the highway attitude with smoking. You smoke and made the choice yes I know that. I don't give a flying f*ck about that until it affects me - when you do it next to me - you affect me! You say you don't smoke but you tolerate other people's smoke - Now what does that make you? I don't care if i'm in a bar or at a show - because i won't go to places where I have to breathe that shit anymore. My concert venue is smoke free but that won't stop some dumbasses from lighting up - i've seen it before at other concerts. I can move but then the seats I paid good money for are then being vacated because I gave in to YOUR additction. So say stop crying and laugh while I put up with someone else's garbage - and you just feel a little better about yourself because you are not doing the same, but you are still tolerating it. If you don't mind that's your choice, but I do f*cking mind and I won't tolerate it!
I work in a hospital and I see people dying from lung cancer or smoking related causes all the time - I hear their diseased coughs, the burden on their families, the regrets they have during their last days, and how they will trade anyone or anything in their lives for just one more cigarette amazes me.
The doctors I work with have no respect for someone who doesn't respect others - if they see that you smoke and make no efforts to quit, then they automatically know that all of the treatment and medicine in the world will not save you. You make your own choices - but when your choices affect me I have a god given right to speak out about it.
Watch a loved one or friend go through rounds of chemotherapy and what it does to their body. Watch them as they lose their hair and all of their strength is gone. See your children crying as you lay on a hosiptal bed unable to move or speak.
As you live your life in sometimes quiet desperation, facing adversity and tragedy: if you have hope and love, that mixture helps you overcome that tragedy and go on with the rest of your life.”
--Jack Lengyel
and if everyone with the "disease" would have just listened when they were younger to the warnings or even just read the damn box, they wouldn't be addicted. Ignorant slobs.
I can sure see you getting up my nose a lot. Following me around these threads are you? Welcome to my brand of libertarianism. If you don't like it, cry me a river.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
Security was tight on smokers in the Air Canada Centre for my most recent two PJ concerts. I loved it. I personally hate paying $40 or more for a concert where I am forced to stand beside someone (like RIGHT beside) who is smoking.
I am all for smokers doing their thing amongst other smokers, and I have no problem walking away, and giving someone space/time for a cigarette. But in an environment where I can't get away and am forced into one tiny seat...different story.
Smoking is an unhealthy vice and we all die one day so you may as well enjoy your vices while you are here. Go for it, just don't subject others to it.
Just to chip in here, there seems to be a lot of people saying that people didn't realise smoking was bad for you up until recently - wtf?! I'm 26 and I have always known that smoking was bad for you.
Just to chip in here, there seems to be a lot of people saying that people didn't realise smoking was bad for you up until recently - wtf?! I'm 26 and I have always known that smoking was bad for you.
I was talking mainly about the people who have developed lung cancer. Obviously they're older and have been smoking for longer.
You say 'obviously they're older' - I'll bet a fair few people in their 40's and younger have developed smoking related illnesses.
I know. And they're one of the groups I was talking about. This huge surge of cigarette related data wasn't as readily available as it is now. If a forty year old started smoking when they were eighteen (which would be unlikely in my opinion. It's probably younger than that.) the would have started smoking in 1986. Yes, there was some information on some of the effects of smoking back then but it in now way compared to the onslaught of advertising cigarette had in their favor. By the time they hit the 90's, when this anti-smoking stuff really began kicking in, they were already addicted.
I'm not sticking up for smoking. I don't even smoke.
I'm tired of the fools at concerts lighting up next to me. I know this is going to piss people off, but I could care less - my mother in law is dying from terminal lung cancer (she smoked for 40 years) and i have no tolerance for it anymore. After seeing someone suffer in immense pain and then crawl to the bathroom to smoke when she was too weak to walk - I wanna rip every friggin cigarette into a milllion pieces!! Her poor health has ruined my marriage (my wife takes care of her) and destroyed our personal lives (work and then be a caregiver).
I want everyone who smokes to know that they need to get some freakin balls and willpower and quit. I know I am venting some anger here - but if you smoke you will die an early death I guarantee it!!!!!!!!! If you are so stupid to take your own health and others around you for granted - then stay the f*ck away from me. I want no part of your cancer - your stained teeth, your rotten mouth, your diseased cough, or your second hand smoke!
Big Tobacco is just as bad as the oil companies - Greedy pigs! Please don't smoke next to me - because if you do god help you!!!!!!!!!!!
For fuck's sake!
You need to grow up, not the first time I've read you spawning this self-consumed tat on the subject of smoking.
A post-prandial smoke can be as fine as any delicassey.
ok, I don't want to ignore the fact that some of you have watched death and suffering of others because of the dirty fucking habit of smoking. I am totally addicted to cigarettes and wish they would just take them all off the shelves so I couldn't smoke anymore. I hate spending that much fucking money on them and all I get is a 1 in 4 shot of getting cancer.
But, I have to be the devil's advocate and say that when I was growing up, we were all exposed to cigarette smoke (for 20 years) and I never heard of anyone getting lung cancer or other ailments that were only directly caused by second hand smoke. My mother and father smoked almost two pack each a day. My father passed at 80 years old, not from lung cancer.
How long are you at a concert...maybe 2-4 hours? The alcohol you drink is probably more deadly than the second hand smoke you breathe. But, I know I'm not a doctor. And I know that someone will probably slap my face on this post.
If I was a non-smoker, I guess it would fucking drive me nuts that someone was puffing right next to me. Just the smell alone would probably make me sick. But I wouldn't go to a concert not expecting that. Just like I don't go to the bar to watch a live band and not expect some fucking drunk idiot to walk around and make an ass out of himself.
Relax.
I will hold the candle until it burns up my arm. I'll keep taking punches until their will grows tired. I will stare the sun down until my eyes go blind. I won't change direction and I won't change my mind.
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I see. Well, even though you weren't insulting me, you could still probably stand to grow up a little bit. Name-calling is like running on a treadmill - it might make you feel good, but it gets you nowhere.
Well there's a mighty big supposition and generalization if ever I heard one.
How on earth would you be able to make that statement categorically including every smoker in it?
I guess it would be like me saying every anti smoker has a tendency to the judgemental and it's wired in their DNA. :rolleyes:
Yeah, we should agree to disagree I think, because I really can't see you adding anything of value to my opinions on this issue coming from where you are coming from, which is most certainly your right, but leaves me completely uninterested.
In conclusion I'll just say, if you don't smoke and you are attending a smoking venue then YOU make the decision to most likely be in second hand smoke, so if you are so opposed don't attend those venues and move away from the smoke if it bothers you so.
AND if you do smoke and you are attending a non smoking venue then DON'T light up around other people, the rules are there for a reason. If you are at a smoking venue I guess being aware of the comfort of the people around is something that I would be aware of but as far as I can see ultimately we all know that smoking can legally go on in the building so if it bothers you so, DON'T ATTEND. Simple really.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
I think you're overestimating the ability to easily communicate to large groups of people back then. Schools and churches cannot offset what children see at home, at the movies, and see in everyday life. Especially when they are lied to.
I don't understand this analogy. Running on a treadmill does much more than simply make someone feel good. And it does get you somewhere. It helps get you in shape. In fact, it's a very effective cardiovascular exercise and a perfectly viable option, especially if outside conditions are not conducive for running.
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
I have severe asthma...but other people smoking doesn't bother me, and if it does I just move away...it's no big deal!!
I really can't believe some of these bans on smoking...WOW!
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
See my previous retraction.:p
And what did you eat today? Do you ever eat food that is not healthy for you? There is a lot of shit in this wonderful world of ours that is bad for us and we all deal with it. Cigarettes, Noxious fumes, Saturated fat, disease, etc. . .
Like others have said, there wasn't that big a deal about it in the olden days. I know I'm not super old, but I was old enough to notice a huge difference in how smoking was perceived in the early 80's to now. I when I was little in the 80's you could smoke in the mall, airplanes, school, all restaurants, and even the hospital. Don't you think people that ran these places had the information? Or are hospital directors Ignorant Slobs also? :rolleyes:
Smoking increases risks, but is not a death sentence. Not everyone who smokes dies from it. But it is certainly not a healthy habit.
Most habits are bad for your health!! Everything causes CANCER....from the sun to just having eggs......seriously everything you do is bad for you...and for the record I ate McDonalds for breakfast and Taco Bell for lunch....looks like Heart Disease is in my future...maybe sooner than later...but those Taco Surpremes are so good
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
They really need to bring back the chilito
thank you
I like #16 on that list Sea :eek:
Can you please explain why my reply regarding the benefits of exercise was deleted? There was absolutely no name calling and/or any abuse within the quoted post and my reply..Thanks..
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
I feel badly for your marriage. My mom lives with us. She can walk, but not very well....has every ailment except cancer. It is very stressful on a marriage.
posted this before, my brother in law died of lung cancer at the age of 45.
he began smoking (anything) when he was a teen. my father in law had lung cancer surgery 5 years ago. I know 2 people with emphysema. I have a small build up in my neck arteries (called carotid artery) from smoking from the age of 12 to 31, off and on, usually 5 cigs a day. that buildup causes strokes. (I had mine tested at work, they did a sonogram on my neck)
I can't believe I used to smoke b/c when I go to shows (b4 smoking was eliminated in MD), it bothered me.
8/08 - Ed solo in DC, 6/09 Ed in B'more,
10/10 - Brad in B'more
Here in Florida they allow smoking in closed venues however in the DC metro area no smoking is allowed in outside or inside venues. IMO that's a great idea especially if you want to take a child to a show.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
lol...good for you!
Yeah I do hate that when I go to concerts but usually someone is lighting up a joint..which is nasty too. I've seen too many people in my family die of cancer. I never even tried smoking, I was too scared.
I still can't get through to people who are so dead set on the its my way or the highway attitude with smoking. You smoke and made the choice yes I know that. I don't give a flying f*ck about that until it affects me - when you do it next to me - you affect me! You say you don't smoke but you tolerate other people's smoke - Now what does that make you? I don't care if i'm in a bar or at a show - because i won't go to places where I have to breathe that shit anymore. My concert venue is smoke free but that won't stop some dumbasses from lighting up - i've seen it before at other concerts. I can move but then the seats I paid good money for are then being vacated because I gave in to YOUR additction. So say stop crying and laugh while I put up with someone else's garbage - and you just feel a little better about yourself because you are not doing the same, but you are still tolerating it. If you don't mind that's your choice, but I do f*cking mind and I won't tolerate it!
I work in a hospital and I see people dying from lung cancer or smoking related causes all the time - I hear their diseased coughs, the burden on their families, the regrets they have during their last days, and how they will trade anyone or anything in their lives for just one more cigarette amazes me.
The doctors I work with have no respect for someone who doesn't respect others - if they see that you smoke and make no efforts to quit, then they automatically know that all of the treatment and medicine in the world will not save you. You make your own choices - but when your choices affect me I have a god given right to speak out about it.
Watch a loved one or friend go through rounds of chemotherapy and what it does to their body. Watch them as they lose their hair and all of their strength is gone. See your children crying as you lay on a hosiptal bed unable to move or speak.
--Jack Lengyel
I am all for smokers doing their thing amongst other smokers, and I have no problem walking away, and giving someone space/time for a cigarette. But in an environment where I can't get away and am forced into one tiny seat...different story.
Smoking is an unhealthy vice and we all die one day so you may as well enjoy your vices while you are here. Go for it, just don't subject others to it.
I was talking mainly about the people who have developed lung cancer. Obviously they're older and have been smoking for longer.
You say 'obviously they're older' - I'll bet a fair few people in their 40's and younger have developed smoking related illnesses.
I know. And they're one of the groups I was talking about. This huge surge of cigarette related data wasn't as readily available as it is now. If a forty year old started smoking when they were eighteen (which would be unlikely in my opinion. It's probably younger than that.) the would have started smoking in 1986. Yes, there was some information on some of the effects of smoking back then but it in now way compared to the onslaught of advertising cigarette had in their favor. By the time they hit the 90's, when this anti-smoking stuff really began kicking in, they were already addicted.
I'm not sticking up for smoking. I don't even smoke.
You need to grow up, not the first time I've read you spawning this self-consumed tat on the subject of smoking.
A post-prandial smoke can be as fine as any delicassey.
Seeking world peace is the real mission at hand, or, maybe, solving starvation in Africa...
For Those About To Rock !
Art changes people. People change the world.
But, I have to be the devil's advocate and say that when I was growing up, we were all exposed to cigarette smoke (for 20 years) and I never heard of anyone getting lung cancer or other ailments that were only directly caused by second hand smoke. My mother and father smoked almost two pack each a day. My father passed at 80 years old, not from lung cancer.
How long are you at a concert...maybe 2-4 hours? The alcohol you drink is probably more deadly than the second hand smoke you breathe. But, I know I'm not a doctor. And I know that someone will probably slap my face on this post.
If I was a non-smoker, I guess it would fucking drive me nuts that someone was puffing right next to me. Just the smell alone would probably make me sick. But I wouldn't go to a concert not expecting that. Just like I don't go to the bar to watch a live band and not expect some fucking drunk idiot to walk around and make an ass out of himself.
Relax.