To be honest I don't know about any of this stuff, no matter what side of the pond. I know my employers. They'll just fire my arse if I send em a note, whether they're 'allowed' to or not.
But I also don't know how 'quitting' works. If you quit, are you not still obligated to stay another month? I just need any way I can find to not do that. Maybe a Chris McCandless is in order.
Do you not have a copy of your contract? It should tell you in there how much notice you have to give. Or do you have a human resources/personnel department? They should be able to tell you. What is your sickness policy? Stress shouldn't be taken any less seriously than if you needed time off for cancer treatment or something. They can't just fire you, there are laws that protect you against that.
my question i guess, is this. here in the fucked up US of A, this certificate you speak of , would do fuck all to help out in a problem like this.
i mean yeah, i would have a note from my dr. saying i needed time off, but i wouldnt get paid, and they could still let me go if they wanted to.
so how does that help anything? wouldnt it be better or the same thing to just quit?
maybe things are different there for you guys. but im not following this.
ah, ok well I'm not sure what the situation is there in the US but here in Australia with the company that I worked for, I was required to give 4 weeks notice. The medical certificate for stress leave entitled me to leave with all my benefits still payable. I wasn't paid for the time I didn't work but to be honest wooluf, I could not have cared less in the end. I just wanted out! And fast!! So as it turned out for me, I was still paid out any unused sick leave and holidays AND accrued long service leave. I'm fairly certain they did that because they knew that I had been victimized by the new office manager and had grounds for lodging a complaint with the equal opportunities commission. I also know that by leaving the way that I did, they bent over backwards to give me a good reference. That's just my case, so I'm not sure how it would be for others or in other countries. If I'd quit I think I'd have had to wait to apply for social security and many of my entitlements would not have been paid.
Thanks mole. I need a break to do nothing, but after that this is the first place I'll look.
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Just do your job and to hell with them...who the fuck are they anyway? No seriously... who the hell are they really?
Just do your job be polite and don't let it affect you. It's inconsequential, if you let it affect you negatively this is where the problems arise.
First things first..you need to step back from the negative emotional connections and just be genuinely nice so that it becomes incredibly apparent they are just being incredible assholes by not reciprocating. There are boundaries on how ridiculous people can go without losing face entirely and falling entirely subject to their own vitriol by their peers.
Also find motivational happiness in whichever form it comes, and be happy for the things in your life you do have. Write them down in a list on a piece of paper and look at it often. Stop to dwell in this feeling as often as you can, to maintain a positive outlook and direction. Learn to appreciate the things in your life no matter how small, and become empowered by it going forward.
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ah, ok well I'm not sure what the situation is there in the US but here in Australia with the company that I worked for, I was required to give 4 weeks notice. The medical certificate for stress leave entitled me to leave with all my benefits still payable. I wasn't paid for the time I didn't work but to be honest wooluf, I could not have cared less in the end. I just wanted out! And fast!! So as it turned out for me, I was still paid out any unused sick leave and holidays AND accrued long service leave. I'm fairly certain they did that because they knew that I had been victimized by the new office manager and had grounds for lodging a complaint with the equal opportunities commission. I also know that by leaving the way that I did, they bent over backwards to give me a good reference. That's just my case, so I'm not sure how it would be for others or in other countries. If I'd quit I think I'd have had to wait to apply for social security and many of my entitlements would not have been paid.
wow, here , most jobs only require a 2 week notice. and most places ive worked, if you put that notice in, they just tell you that you should leave that day. now thats not the norm, but in sales jobs, most dont want you there if they know you are leaving anyway.
but a month! holy hell! thats crazy!
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to not question your government is unpatriotic."
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wow, here , most jobs only require a 2 week notice. and most places ive worked, if you put that notice in, they just tell you that you should leave that day. now thats not the norm, but in sales jobs, most dont want you there if they know you are leaving anyway.
but a month! holy hell! thats crazy!
Yep! It was all part of the work place agreements and enterprise bargaining that came in with one of our fearless leaders! :rolleyes:
It's such a bullshit way of going about it, because really, once you've decided you've had a gut full you're really not working to capacity anyway.
Thankfully my doctor gave me a certificate for two weeks and then said if they insisted on me coming back to work out the other two weeks she'd just write me another. I informed them of that and thankfully they saw the stupidity of trying to get me to come back. But then, like I mentioned, I think they were fairly concerned I had grounds to take them to arbitration anyway. They really did give me such a hard time and it was discriminatory and they knew it. I do know that there were others that weren't as determined or prepared to fight as I was that they did force to work the 4 weeks.
Yep! It was all part of the work place agreements and enterprise bargaining that came in with one of our fearless leaders! :rolleyes:
It's such a bullshit way of going about it, because really, once you've decided you've had a gut full you're really not working to capacity anyway.
Thankfully my doctor gave me a certificate for two weeks and then said if they insisted on me coming back to work out the other two weeks she'd just write me another. I informed them of that and thankfully they saw the stupidity of trying to get me to come back. But then, like I mentioned, I think they were fairly concerned I had grounds to take them to arbitration anyway. They really did give me such a hard time and it was discriminatory and they knew it. I do know that there were others that weren't as determined or prepared to fight as I was that they did force to work the 4 weeks.
wow, learn something new everyday yeah?
in ways , you are fucked with the whole 4 week thing. but it sounds easier to get a helping hand from doctors too then it does here.
IDK i guess in the grand scheme of things we are all slaves to stupid bullshit rules and regulations, and laws, that were put forth by ignorant assholes.
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"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
You know, if you're in a bad situation at work with potentially legal ramifications, supplying information on the internet on the matter isn't necessarily going to help, if you're spotted. Draw your horns in a little, seriously.
You know if they are pushing you into a corner whereby it is so awful, you may have grounds to sue them anyway. I forget what the technical term for it is.......
Having worked in a supervisory/administrative position for a number of not for profits here in the US I can say that they are (here at least) incredibly afraid of discrimination lawsuits. They will let some of the worst employees stay because they are worried they are going to bring discrimination suits against them.
Hopefully you have been able to document some of the bullshit that has taken place.
Either way. Hang tight and good luck and know that it will always get better.
I just wish they'd fire me. They finished the meeting without firing me, and I wish they'd had the fucking backbone to do so. I know why they didn't though; they didn't because if they had done, I'd have had grounds to go back and get them punished for it.
why dont you have the backbone to quit then mark. if the situation is so untenable, then take matters into your own hands, take responsibliity for yourself and resign.
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I'm not sure I can truly recommend the following course of action to someone across the pond, but in America, when we have problems with our employers, or co-workers, we arm ourselves to the teeth and go shoot up the place...
No big deal.
Or, we pick up the new Black Crowes and rock the fuck out.
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I'm not sure I can truly recommend the following course of action to someone across the pond, but in America, when we have problems with our employers, or co-workers, we arm ourselves to the teeth and go shoot up the place...
No big deal.
Or, we pick up the new Black Crowes and rock the fuck out.
That would be funny if it wasn't so true! Feel like going postal anyone?
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I personally would NEVER quit a job until having another one. If you think you are stressed now, imagine what it could be like 6 months from now w/no job? My friend did this 2 years ago - she worked at JP Morgan, made a great salary and just had it - so she quit. 2 years later still doing odd jobs like waitressing, hosting, working at MACYS. She has borrowed from her 401k account and owes HUGE tax penalties, her credit cards are maxed out, she cannot pay her rent, and at the age of 35 may have to move back in with her parents. All b/c she thought she'd be happier had she quit.
2 years later she is on the verge of a breakdown.
Take ONE day at a time. Get your CV together - interview as much as possible. After all it is only a job - do not let these people get the best of you. Go in, do your work and leave. Do the best you can while you are there.
And a word of recommendation - NEVER cry in front of your boss or co-workers.
I personally would NEVER quit a job until having another one. If you think you are stressed now, imagine what it could be like 6 months from now w/no job? My friend did this 2 years ago - she worked at JP Morgan, made a great salary and just had it - so she quit. 2 years later still doing odd jobs like waitressing, hosting, working at MACYS. She has borrowed from her 401k account and owes HUGE tax penalties, her credit cards are maxed out, she cannot pay her rent, and at the age of 35 may have to move back in with her parents. All b/c she thought she'd be happier had she quit.
2 years later she is on the verge of a breakdown.
Take ONE day at a time. Get your CV together - interview as much as possible. After all it is only a job - do not let these people get the best of you. Go in, do your work and leave. Do the best you can while you are there.
And a word of recommendation - NEVER cry in front of your boss or co-workers.
sounds like my life.
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to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
I'll have a drink in your honor harlmess little fucker in hopes to cheering you up some ..Cheers..
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Do you not have a copy of your contract? It should tell you in there how much notice you have to give. Or do you have a human resources/personnel department? They should be able to tell you. What is your sickness policy? Stress shouldn't be taken any less seriously than if you needed time off for cancer treatment or something. They can't just fire you, there are laws that protect you against that.
ah, ok well I'm not sure what the situation is there in the US but here in Australia with the company that I worked for, I was required to give 4 weeks notice. The medical certificate for stress leave entitled me to leave with all my benefits still payable. I wasn't paid for the time I didn't work but to be honest wooluf, I could not have cared less in the end. I just wanted out! And fast!! So as it turned out for me, I was still paid out any unused sick leave and holidays AND accrued long service leave. I'm fairly certain they did that because they knew that I had been victimized by the new office manager and had grounds for lodging a complaint with the equal opportunities commission. I also know that by leaving the way that I did, they bent over backwards to give me a good reference. That's just my case, so I'm not sure how it would be for others or in other countries. If I'd quit I think I'd have had to wait to apply for social security and many of my entitlements would not have been paid.
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Thanks mole. I need a break to do nothing, but after that this is the first place I'll look.
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Just do your job and to hell with them...who the fuck are they anyway? No seriously... who the hell are they really?
Just do your job be polite and don't let it affect you. It's inconsequential, if you let it affect you negatively this is where the problems arise.
First things first..you need to step back from the negative emotional connections and just be genuinely nice so that it becomes incredibly apparent they are just being incredible assholes by not reciprocating. There are boundaries on how ridiculous people can go without losing face entirely and falling entirely subject to their own vitriol by their peers.
Also find motivational happiness in whichever form it comes, and be happy for the things in your life you do have. Write them down in a list on a piece of paper and look at it often. Stop to dwell in this feeling as often as you can, to maintain a positive outlook and direction. Learn to appreciate the things in your life no matter how small, and become empowered by it going forward.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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wow, here , most jobs only require a 2 week notice. and most places ive worked, if you put that notice in, they just tell you that you should leave that day. now thats not the norm, but in sales jobs, most dont want you there if they know you are leaving anyway.
but a month! holy hell! thats crazy!
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
Yep! It was all part of the work place agreements and enterprise bargaining that came in with one of our fearless leaders! :rolleyes:
It's such a bullshit way of going about it, because really, once you've decided you've had a gut full you're really not working to capacity anyway.
Thankfully my doctor gave me a certificate for two weeks and then said if they insisted on me coming back to work out the other two weeks she'd just write me another. I informed them of that and thankfully they saw the stupidity of trying to get me to come back. But then, like I mentioned, I think they were fairly concerned I had grounds to take them to arbitration anyway. They really did give me such a hard time and it was discriminatory and they knew it. I do know that there were others that weren't as determined or prepared to fight as I was that they did force to work the 4 weeks.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
wow, learn something new everyday yeah?
in ways , you are fucked with the whole 4 week thing. but it sounds easier to get a helping hand from doctors too then it does here.
IDK i guess in the grand scheme of things we are all slaves to stupid bullshit rules and regulations, and laws, that were put forth by ignorant assholes.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
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Having worked in a supervisory/administrative position for a number of not for profits here in the US I can say that they are (here at least) incredibly afraid of discrimination lawsuits. They will let some of the worst employees stay because they are worried they are going to bring discrimination suits against them.
Hopefully you have been able to document some of the bullshit that has taken place.
Either way. Hang tight and good luck and know that it will always get better.
Now go listen to Present Tense please.
why dont you have the backbone to quit then mark. if the situation is so untenable, then take matters into your own hands, take responsibliity for yourself and resign.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
No big deal.
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That would be funny if it wasn't so true! Feel like going postal anyone?
Cheers!
2 years later she is on the verge of a breakdown.
Take ONE day at a time. Get your CV together - interview as much as possible. After all it is only a job - do not let these people get the best of you. Go in, do your work and leave. Do the best you can while you are there.
And a word of recommendation - NEVER cry in front of your boss or co-workers.
sounds like my life.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
:( sorry