Seriously 9?? At that age I barely even knew how to put on a condom properly..wow..
well don't get me wrong, I come from the middle of the country... not really very much to do... but we were still quite innocent for the most part. I probably didn't even know what a condom WAS. But yep, seriously 9!
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well don't get me wrong, I come from the middle of the country... not really very much to do... but we were still quite innocent for the most part. I probably didn't even know what a condom WAS. But yep, seriously 9!
I know you are gone for the day, but please answer me this tomorrow:
How old was your sister?
Shame on her.
Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
yeh, cos a 9 year old gives a fuck about health warnings :cool:
My only point is that to say I am ridiculous for taking up smoking, despite yourself having been a smoking 9 year old, is very hypocritical. And you tried to use the excuse that we just didn't have the health information back then. Now you're saying you just 'didn't give a fuck'. Which is it?
You give a fuck about health warnings now, obviously. Why don't you give up?
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
My only point is that to say I am ridiculous for taking up smoking, despite yourself having been a smoking 9 year old, is very hypocritical. And you tried to use the excuse that we just didn't have the health information back then. Now you're saying you just 'didn't give a fuck'. Which is it?
You give a fuck about health warnings now, obviously. Why don't you give up?
I think the point Helen is making is that a 9 year old is less likely to consider the dangers or the warnings, not that they actually 'don't give a fuck'. You have to admit it's very unusual for anyone over the age of say 13 or 14 to take up smoking, I'm sure that's the only point anyone is making Mark.
I think the point Helen is making is that a 9 year old is less likely to consider the dangers or the warnings, not that they actually 'don't give a fuck'. You have to admit it's very unusual for anyone over the age of say 13 or 14 to take up smoking, I'm sure that's the only point anyone is making Mark.
I have no idea how old anyone is when they start smoking... I did no research into it before I started. I know no teenage smokers, personally, and certainly no 9 year olds who've smoked.
I started because it was the only thing that relaxed me during the hardest time of my life so far... nothing to do with it being 'cool' or 'not cool'. Anyone who does anything for that reason is the village idiot.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
I had no idea how old anyone was when they started smoking... I did no research into it. I know no teenage smokers, personally, and certainly no 9 year olds.
I started because it was the only thing that relaxed me during the hardest time of my life so far... nothing to do with it being 'cool' or 'not cool'. Anyone who does anything for that reason is the village idiot.
Sure 9 is very young, most people I know started when they were between 13 and 16. I did no research either just from my own memory, we all tried it at comprehensive school, some took to it, some didn't, I mean to me it's not an easy thing to become addicted to because it tastes so bloody awful...I mean you have to work hard at first I'm sure. It's not eating donuts is it? That would be easy to become addicted to
I think I would seriously die if I saw a 9 yr old smoking. :eek:
The sight of a pregnant woman smoking is bad enough.
And yes, a 9 yr old cannot seriously be held responsible for caring about the health warnings that come with smoking, now or then.
Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
Sure 9 is very young, most people I know started when they were between 13 and 16. I did no research either just from my own memory, we all tried it at comprehensive school, some took to it, some didn't, I mean to me it's not an easy thing to become addicted to because it tastes so bloody awful... I mean you have to work hard at first I'm sure. It's not eating donuts is it? That would be easy to become addicted to
I was raised by a Conservative Christian family... I didn't try any mind-altering substances except for the Holy Spirit. :rolleyes:
And yes, cigarettes are disgusting. I went through a few before deciding that nope, it wasn't just a bad choice of brand.... it was a bad choice of dirty habit.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
Here you go, I did some research
As I suspected, it says 90% of smokers start in their teens.
It's Not Easy to Kick Butt : No matter what age people start smoking - and nearly 90% of adult smokers start while they are still teens - they never intend to get hooked. They may start by bumming a cigarette or two from a friend at a party, and then go on to buying an occasional pack. Soon they realize that they can't go without that pack. They've gotten used to reaching for a cigarette first thing in the morning, after meals, or during any stressful time. They are addicted, both physically and psychologically.
I was raised by a Conservative Christian family... I didn't try any mind-altering substances except for the Holy Spirit. :rolleyes:
And yes, cigarettes are disgusting. I went through a few before deciding that nope, it wasn't just a bad choice of brand.... it was a bad choice of dirty habit.
Well most people develop habits when they're teenagers Mark know what I mean?
Well most people develop habits when they're teenagers Mark know what I mean?
I do, yes... but people of all ages do stupid things under stress.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
My nan started smoking at 21. Thats what happens when you wave your new husband off to war.
I guess that was late for that generation, but let's not forget whatever we say, the health warnings were just not widely accepted back then, ciggarettes were advertised, and glamourised in movies..it was certainly looked upon as being 'cool', a little bit like we may wear a pair of fashionable sunglasses, out grandparent puffed a cig.
These days....well, I can't help think anyone taking it up now isn't a little crazy I'm glad to hear Mark has kicked it.
I guess that was late for that generation, but let's not forget whatever we say, the health warnings were just not widely accepted back then, ciggarettes were advertised, and glamourised in movies..it was certainly looked upon as being 'cool', a little bit like we may wear a pair of fashionable sunglasses, out grandparent puffed a cig.
These days....well, I can't help think anyone taking it up now isn't a little crazy I'm glad to hear Mark has kicked it.
I don't think anyones arguing differently. Just that we all do many things that we know are bad for us, and for many different reasons. Drinking, smoking, drugs, crappy food etc. We all know the dangers of all of these, yet you can't honestly say you've done none of these recently
I don't think anyones arguing differently. Just that we all do many things that we know are bad for us, and for many different reasons. Drinking, smoking, drugs, crappy food etc. We all know the dangers of all of these, yet you can't honestly say you've done none of these recently
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'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
I know you are gone for the day, but please answer me this tomorrow:
How old was your sister?
Shame on her.
she was 13... shame on her indeed! But she DOES feel bad about it now... and I won't let it go so easily
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I think the point Helen is making is that a 9 year old is less likely to consider the dangers or the warnings, not that they actually 'don't give a fuck'. You have to admit it's very unusual for anyone over the age of say 13 or 14 to take up smoking, I'm sure that's the only point anyone is making Mark.
Thanks Jamie... that IS what I was trying to say. When you're young you think you're invincible... and ya don't really think these health warnings apply to you cos ya don't even think you're ever gonna get older anyway. As you get older you start to see the effects on other people and on yourself... which is why I don't understand how AN ADULT would start something like this. I'm sorry it's not what you want to hear Mark, but it's the truth.
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Thanks Jamie... that IS what I was trying to say. When you're young you think you're invincible... and ya don't really think these health warnings apply to you cos ya don't even think you're ever gonna get older anyway. As you get older you start to see the effects on other people and on yourself... which is why I don't understand how AN ADULT would start something like this. I'm sorry it's not what you want to hear Mark, but it's the truth.
You don't have to understand it. No one's asking you to. And without sounding like I'm throwing the toys out the pram, no one asked you to state the obvious. It's fucking high-and-mighty and patronising. Leave it alone.
And stop drinking, because it is killing you. I know it's not what you want to hear, but it's the truth.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
You don't have to understand it. No one's asking you to. And without sounding like I'm throwing the toys out the pram, no one asked you to state the obvious. It's fucking high-and-mighty and patronising. Leave it alone.
And stop drinking, because it is killing you. I know it's not what you want to hear, but it's the truth.
Thing is... I know and accept it's the truth. If I do something stupid I can accept that... I don't get all annoyed with people who point that out to me... and DEBATE the fact
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Thing is... I know and accept it's the truth. If I do something stupid I can accept that... I don't get all annoyed with people who point that out to me... and DEBATE the fact
I'd 'accepted that' I was stupid for smoking when I started the thread, before you decided you were having fun pointing it out to me, just in case I didn't get it. I quit two days ago, for fuck's sake.
I wanted to debate the extent to which cigarettes cause anxiety, which is a debatable subject and an interesting one. You haven't contributed to that discussion. I didn't start the thread to debate how stupid Mark is for smoking. Only twats have been doing that.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
I'd 'accepted that' I was stupid for smoking when I started the thread, before you decided you were having fun pointing it out to me, just in case I didn't get it. I quit two days ago, for fuck's sake. I didn't start the thread to debate how stupid Mark is for smoking. Only twats have been doing that.
Did you just call me a twat? :mad:
I'm out! Wow, you don't want people to point out the obvious, don't STATE the obvious... some people just never learn I spose! And I wasn't pointing it out cos I was having fun. I just say things as I see them... I apologise sincerely if you have issues with that :rolleyes:
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That depends. Are you relentlessly going on about how stupid and juvenile I am? If not, I have misintepreted you. If however you admit to repeatedly telling me how stupid I am, then yes, I don't mind admitting I have retaliated. I don't like people who tell other people they are better than them, whether blatantly or inadvertently.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
That depends. Are you relentlessly going on about how stupid and juvenile I am? If not, I have misintepreted you. If however you admit to repeatedly telling me how stupid I am, then yes, I don't mind admitting I have retaliated. I don't like people who tell other people they are better than them, whether blatantly or inadvertently.
You might wanna read the board rules again :mad:
Oh and I called your ACTIONS stupid... which you agreed in your last post. Not YOU!
I never insinuated I was better than you... I'm using MY mistake as an example and to tell others why they shouldn't make the same mistake... how is that 'blatantly or inadvertently' calling you stupid? :rolleyes:
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Mildly relatead, good job on the two day quit (so far). Keep it up.
I smoked for ~12 years and quit cold turkey, no problem. It can be done. (I moved and went back to school, complete change of environment made quitting easy).
Oh and I called your ACTIONS stupid... which you agreed in your last post. Not YOU!
I don't like to spend my life agreeing with people who criticise my actions. Neither do you. Neither does anyone.
I'd rather admit to doing a stupid thing and wanting to give up myself, before they have the chance to enjoy their own voice that much....
which is exactly what I did.
'Ya know, these cigarettes are really fucking with my health, I'm gonna give up.'
'Yeah, you're being really really stupid for doing that. They fuck with your health. How do you not know that?'
'I do know that. And I also know it's stupid. Anyway, I gave up 2 days ago.'
'I mean how could you be so stupid? No adult is that stupid! I was 9, I was stupid, but you're an adult. By the way they fuck with your health.'
'I gave up 2 days ago.'
'You realise how stupid that is?'
'I gave up 2 days ago.'
It's repetitive isn't it.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
Why the HELL would anyone take up smoking in this day and age??? :eek:
*shakes head* mark mark mark!
It's stupid enough that I STILL smoke... but I've got the already stupid excuse that I'm addicted. I don't care if you want to hear it or not... just fucking quit now!
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In this day and age... everyone knows the dangers.
And yep, listen to the addicted smokers, we're the ones who wish we'd never started... don't ya think that makes sense? I started when I was 9... sure I'd heard about the risks... but it was the cool thing to do :rolleyes: IMO there's no other reason for someone to want to start. I can't believe you're even debating this.
and actually mark, I can't find ONE post where I called you stupid
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In this day and age... everyone knows the dangers.
And yep, listen to the addicted smokers, we're the ones who wish we'd never started... don't ya think that makes sense? I started when I was 9... sure I'd heard about the risks... but it was the cool thing to do :rolleyes: IMO there's no other reason for someone to want to start. I can't believe you're even debating this.
What on earth did you think I was debating? I was debating nothing at all except for cigarette-induced anxiety which actually makes your misinterpretation of my thread, 'stupid'. Again, I was not debating whether Mark was a stupid little boy for smoking 'at your age'.. but that's exactly what you decided to do. It was unnecessary, irrelevant and most certainly uncalled for.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
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How old was your sister?
Shame on her.
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
My only point is that to say I am ridiculous for taking up smoking, despite yourself having been a smoking 9 year old, is very hypocritical. And you tried to use the excuse that we just didn't have the health information back then. Now you're saying you just 'didn't give a fuck'. Which is it?
You give a fuck about health warnings now, obviously. Why don't you give up?
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
I think the point Helen is making is that a 9 year old is less likely to consider the dangers or the warnings, not that they actually 'don't give a fuck'. You have to admit it's very unusual for anyone over the age of say 13 or 14 to take up smoking, I'm sure that's the only point anyone is making Mark.
I have no idea how old anyone is when they start smoking... I did no research into it before I started. I know no teenage smokers, personally, and certainly no 9 year olds who've smoked.
I started because it was the only thing that relaxed me during the hardest time of my life so far... nothing to do with it being 'cool' or 'not cool'. Anyone who does anything for that reason is the village idiot.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
Sure 9 is very young, most people I know started when they were between 13 and 16. I did no research either
The sight of a pregnant woman smoking is bad enough.
And yes, a 9 yr old cannot seriously be held responsible for caring about the health warnings that come with smoking, now or then.
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
I was raised by a Conservative Christian family... I didn't try any mind-altering substances except for the Holy Spirit. :rolleyes:
And yes, cigarettes are disgusting. I went through a few before deciding that nope, it wasn't just a bad choice of brand.... it was a bad choice of dirty habit.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
As I suspected, it says 90% of smokers start in their teens.
It's Not Easy to Kick Butt : No matter what age people start smoking - and nearly 90% of adult smokers start while they are still teens - they never intend to get hooked. They may start by bumming a cigarette or two from a friend at a party, and then go on to buying an occasional pack. Soon they realize that they can't go without that pack. They've gotten used to reaching for a cigarette first thing in the morning, after meals, or during any stressful time. They are addicted, both physically and psychologically.
http://www.body-fizzeek.co.uk/Smoking.htm
Well most people develop habits when they're teenagers Mark
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I do, yes... but people of all ages do stupid things under stress.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
I guess that was late for that generation, but let's not forget whatever we say, the health warnings were just not widely accepted back then, ciggarettes were advertised, and glamourised in movies..it was certainly looked upon as being 'cool', a little bit like we may wear a pair of fashionable sunglasses, out grandparent puffed a cig.
These days....well, I can't help think anyone taking it up now isn't a little crazy
Well stress needs to be relieved Mark, sure I understand, and good for you that you've realised you don't need them.
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If there was a reason, it was you.
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Diet Coke is a killer
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Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
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Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
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You don't have to understand it. No one's asking you to. And without sounding like I'm throwing the toys out the pram, no one asked you to state the obvious. It's fucking high-and-mighty and patronising. Leave it alone.
And stop drinking, because it is killing you. I know it's not what you want to hear, but it's the truth.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
Verona??? it's all surmountable
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I'd 'accepted that' I was stupid for smoking when I started the thread, before you decided you were having fun pointing it out to me, just in case I didn't get it. I quit two days ago, for fuck's sake.
I wanted to debate the extent to which cigarettes cause anxiety, which is a debatable subject and an interesting one. You haven't contributed to that discussion. I didn't start the thread to debate how stupid Mark is for smoking. Only twats have been doing that.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
I'm out! Wow, you don't want people to point out the obvious, don't STATE the obvious... some people just never learn I spose! And I wasn't pointing it out cos I was having fun. I just say things as I see them... I apologise sincerely if you have issues with that :rolleyes:
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That depends. Are you relentlessly going on about how stupid and juvenile I am? If not, I have misintepreted you. If however you admit to repeatedly telling me how stupid I am, then yes, I don't mind admitting I have retaliated. I don't like people who tell other people they are better than them, whether blatantly or inadvertently.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
Oh and I called your ACTIONS stupid... which you agreed in your last post. Not YOU!
I never insinuated I was better than you... I'm using MY mistake as an example and to tell others why they shouldn't make the same mistake... how is that 'blatantly or inadvertently' calling you stupid? :rolleyes:
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I smoked for ~12 years and quit cold turkey, no problem. It can be done. (I moved and went back to school, complete change of environment made quitting easy).
I don't like to spend my life agreeing with people who criticise my actions. Neither do you. Neither does anyone.
I'd rather admit to doing a stupid thing and wanting to give up myself, before they have the chance to enjoy their own voice that much....
which is exactly what I did.
'Ya know, these cigarettes are really fucking with my health, I'm gonna give up.'
'Yeah, you're being really really stupid for doing that. They fuck with your health. How do you not know that?'
'I do know that. And I also know it's stupid. Anyway, I gave up 2 days ago.'
'I mean how could you be so stupid? No adult is that stupid! I was 9, I was stupid, but you're an adult. By the way they fuck with your health.'
'I gave up 2 days ago.'
'You realise how stupid that is?'
'I gave up 2 days ago.'
It's repetitive isn't it.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
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and actually mark, I can't find ONE post where I called you stupid
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What on earth did you think I was debating? I was debating nothing at all except for cigarette-induced anxiety which actually makes your misinterpretation of my thread, 'stupid'. Again, I was not debating whether Mark was a stupid little boy for smoking 'at your age'.. but that's exactly what you decided to do. It was unnecessary, irrelevant and most certainly uncalled for.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison