Boston Red Sox

Cliffy6745

I am hoping for Sale to not win a World Series and Moncada to be an MVP

dankind

Cliffy6745 said:

I am hoping for Sale to not win a World Series and Moncada to be an MVP

Piss off!

Cliffy6745

dankind said:

Cliffy6745 said:

I am hoping for Sale to not win a World Series and Moncada to be an MVP

Piss off!

Later

dankind

Cliffy6745 said:

dankind said:

Cliffy6745 said:

I am hoping for Sale to not win a World Series and Moncada to be an MVP

Piss off!

Later

And while you're at it, you can take your ghost peppers and shove 'em straight up your ass!

https://youtu.be/h2xu1lyhcNU

Cliffy6745

dankind said:

Cliffy6745 said:

dankind said:

Cliffy6745 said:

I am hoping for Sale to not win a World Series and Moncada to be an MVP

Piss off!

Later

And while you're at it, you can take your ghost peppers and shove 'em straight up your ass!

https://youtu.be/h2xu1lyhcNU

gregkitefan

Poncier said:

gregkitefan said:

Poncier said:

Certainly looks like Dumbo was right in not rescinding the Pomeranz trade when he had the chance.

Well the guy they traded Espinoza just had Tommy John surgery this month.
He will miss the rest of this year (did not throw 1 pitch) and most likely all of 2018.
Yeah that trade worked out quite well.

I think Dave D has done a great job.
He got Chris Sale on the team. Yeah He's pretty good.
Moncada is hitting under .200 for Chicago.

People really bashed him for the Shaw trade.
Maybe just maybe the GM of the Sox had a pretty good idea that Devers was special player and Shaw blocked him.

He also got Nunez and Reed for very little.
I'm quite happy with the man you call "Dumbo",

I wouldn't call it a great tenure thus far. Mediocre. Some good to great moves, some bad to awful moves.
Of his major moves:

Good:
Sale
Pomeranz
Kimbrel
Nunez


Bad:
Price
Carson Smith
Thornburg

TBD: Reed

So-so: Moreland

They traded Wade Miley for Carson Smith.
Miley is no longer on the Red Sox.
Someone else actually took his contract.
If that's bad you really don't know what you are talking about.

dankind

gregkitefan said:

Poncier said:

gregkitefan said:

Poncier said:

Certainly looks like Dumbo was right in not rescinding the Pomeranz trade when he had the chance.

Well the guy they traded Espinoza just had Tommy John surgery this month.
He will miss the rest of this year (did not throw 1 pitch) and most likely all of 2018.
Yeah that trade worked out quite well.

I think Dave D has done a great job.
He got Chris Sale on the team. Yeah He's pretty good.
Moncada is hitting under .200 for Chicago.

People really bashed him for the Shaw trade.
Maybe just maybe the GM of the Sox had a pretty good idea that Devers was special player and Shaw blocked him.

He also got Nunez and Reed for very little.
I'm quite happy with the man you call "Dumbo",

I wouldn't call it a great tenure thus far. Mediocre. Some good to great moves, some bad to awful moves.
Of his major moves:

Good:
Sale
Pomeranz
Kimbrel
Nunez


Bad:
Price
Carson Smith
Thornburg

TBD: Reed

So-so: Moreland

They traded Wade Miley for Carson Smith.
Miley is no longer on the Red Sox.
Someone else actually took his contract.
If that's bad you really don't know what you are talking about.

Poncier

gregkitefan said:

Poncier said:

gregkitefan said:

Poncier said:

Certainly looks like Dumbo was right in not rescinding the Pomeranz trade when he had the chance.

Well the guy they traded Espinoza just had Tommy John surgery this month.
He will miss the rest of this year (did not throw 1 pitch) and most likely all of 2018.
Yeah that trade worked out quite well.

I think Dave D has done a great job.
He got Chris Sale on the team. Yeah He's pretty good.
Moncada is hitting under .200 for Chicago.

People really bashed him for the Shaw trade.
Maybe just maybe the GM of the Sox had a pretty good idea that Devers was special player and Shaw blocked him.

He also got Nunez and Reed for very little.
I'm quite happy with the man you call "Dumbo",

I wouldn't call it a great tenure thus far. Mediocre. Some good to great moves, some bad to awful moves.
Of his major moves:

Good:
Sale
Pomeranz
Kimbrel
Nunez


Bad:
Price
Carson Smith
Thornburg

TBD: Reed

So-so: Moreland

They traded Wade Miley for Carson Smith.
Miley is no longer on the Red Sox.
Someone else actually took his contract.
If that's bad you really don't know what you are talking about.

And what production have they gotten from Carson Smith?

gregkitefan

Poncier said:

gregkitefan said:

Poncier said:

gregkitefan said:

Poncier said:

Certainly looks like Dumbo was right in not rescinding the Pomeranz trade when he had the chance.

Well the guy they traded Espinoza just had Tommy John surgery this month.
He will miss the rest of this year (did not throw 1 pitch) and most likely all of 2018.
Yeah that trade worked out quite well.

I think Dave D has done a great job.
He got Chris Sale on the team. Yeah He's pretty good.
Moncada is hitting under .200 for Chicago.

People really bashed him for the Shaw trade.
Maybe just maybe the GM of the Sox had a pretty good idea that Devers was special player and Shaw blocked him.

He also got Nunez and Reed for very little.
I'm quite happy with the man you call "Dumbo",

I wouldn't call it a great tenure thus far. Mediocre. Some good to great moves, some bad to awful moves.
Of his major moves:

Good:
Sale
Pomeranz
Kimbrel
Nunez


Bad:
Price
Carson Smith
Thornburg

TBD: Reed

So-so: Moreland

They traded Wade Miley for Carson Smith.
Miley is no longer on the Red Sox.
Someone else actually took his contract.
If that's bad you really don't know what you are talking about.

And what production have they gotten from Carson Smith?

So you must think the Beckett, Gonzalez and Crawford trade was a bad trade because the 5 players we got back from LA did nothing also.

dankind

gregkitefan said:

Poncier said:

gregkitefan said:

Poncier said:

gregkitefan said:

Poncier said:

Certainly looks like Dumbo was right in not rescinding the Pomeranz trade when he had the chance.

Well the guy they traded Espinoza just had Tommy John surgery this month.
He will miss the rest of this year (did not throw 1 pitch) and most likely all of 2018.
Yeah that trade worked out quite well.

I think Dave D has done a great job.
He got Chris Sale on the team. Yeah He's pretty good.
Moncada is hitting under .200 for Chicago.

People really bashed him for the Shaw trade.
Maybe just maybe the GM of the Sox had a pretty good idea that Devers was special player and Shaw blocked him.

He also got Nunez and Reed for very little.
I'm quite happy with the man you call "Dumbo",

I wouldn't call it a great tenure thus far. Mediocre. Some good to great moves, some bad to awful moves.
Of his major moves:

Good:
Sale
Pomeranz
Kimbrel
Nunez


Bad:
Price
Carson Smith
Thornburg

TBD: Reed

So-so: Moreland

They traded Wade Miley for Carson Smith.
Miley is no longer on the Red Sox.
Someone else actually took his contract.
If that's bad you really don't know what you are talking about.

And what production have they gotten from Carson Smith?

So you must think the Beckett, Gonzalez and Crawford trade was a bad trade because the 5 players we got back from LA did nothing also.

Poncier

gregkitefan said:

Poncier said:

gregkitefan said:

Poncier said:

gregkitefan said:

Poncier said:

Certainly looks like Dumbo was right in not rescinding the Pomeranz trade when he had the chance.

Well the guy they traded Espinoza just had Tommy John surgery this month.
He will miss the rest of this year (did not throw 1 pitch) and most likely all of 2018.
Yeah that trade worked out quite well.

I think Dave D has done a great job.
He got Chris Sale on the team. Yeah He's pretty good.
Moncada is hitting under .200 for Chicago.

People really bashed him for the Shaw trade.
Maybe just maybe the GM of the Sox had a pretty good idea that Devers was special player and Shaw blocked him.

He also got Nunez and Reed for very little.
I'm quite happy with the man you call "Dumbo",

I wouldn't call it a great tenure thus far. Mediocre. Some good to great moves, some bad to awful moves.
Of his major moves:

Good:
Sale
Pomeranz
Kimbrel
Nunez


Bad:
Price
Carson Smith
Thornburg

TBD: Reed

So-so: Moreland

They traded Wade Miley for Carson Smith.
Miley is no longer on the Red Sox.
Someone else actually took his contract.
If that's bad you really don't know what you are talking about.

And what production have they gotten from Carson Smith?

So you must think the Beckett, Gonzalez and Crawford trade was a bad trade because the 5 players we got back from LA did nothing also.

Very different circumstances. That trade was made specifically to shed contract (and a couple of problem children).The Smith trade was made to get an 8th inning guy for the bullpen. Unloading Miley's salary while helpful was by no means a priority, he made 6Mil last year, a tick under 9 this year(and then he's done, next year is a club option they'd have declined), nothing that would have any major impact on the Sox. They didn't trade him to save 15Mil like they traded Crawford and company to save $250 Mil.
If you think trading Miley was about shedding salary, perhaps you don't know what you're talking about. The trade was about getting that 8th inning guy, and when he failed to pitch (2.2 innings over 2 seasons thus far, not a great return), the bullpen was thrown out of whack, forcing moves like using Kimbrel for more than 3 outs on occasions last year, and trading for guys like Abad and Ziegler last year, then trading for Thornberg this year (and that one has worked out even worse as he has spent the season sipping pina coladas with Smith while Travis Shaw has lit up the NL and the Sox have tried everyone from Panda to dankind to fill the void at 3rd base) and then ultimately Addison Reed. So if you think the Carson Smith trade was good, so be it. I don't see it that way. It thrust the back end of the bullpen into a year and a half of chaos that hopefully now is solved by the addition of Reed. 4 further trades required to maybe solve the problem of Smith being unable to pitch. Not a good deal. Sorry. Have a good weekend, go Sox, go Pats.

dankind

Halifax2TheMax

Dusty!

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Sox could use a nice blowout win today. Giterdun.

Peace

gregkitefan

And what production have they gotten from Carson Smith?

So you must think the Beckett, Gonzalez and Crawford trade was a bad trade because the 5 players we got back from LA did nothing also.

Very different circumstances. That trade was made specifically to shed contract (and a couple of problem children).The Smith trade was made to get an 8th inning guy for the bullpen. Unloading Miley's salary while helpful was by no means a priority, he made 6Mil last year, a tick under 9 this year(and then he's done, next year is a club option they'd have declined), nothing that would have any major impact on the Sox. They didn't trade him to save 15Mil like they traded Crawford and company to save $250 Mil.
If you think trading Miley was about shedding salary, perhaps you don't know what you're talking about. The trade was about getting that 8th inning guy, and when he failed to pitch (2.2 innings over 2 seasons thus far, not a great return), the bullpen was thrown out of whack, forcing moves like using Kimbrel for more than 3 outs on occasions last year, and trading for guys like Abad and Ziegler last year, then trading for Thornberg this year (and that one has worked out even worse as he has spent the season sipping pina coladas with Smith while Travis Shaw has lit up the NL and the Sox have tried everyone from Panda to dankind to fill the void at 3rd base) and then ultimately Addison Reed. So if you think the Carson Smith trade was good, so be it. I don't see it that way. It thrust the back end of the bullpen into a year and a half of chaos that hopefully now is solved by the addition of Reed. 4 further trades required to maybe solve the problem of Smith being unable to pitch. Not a good deal. Sorry. Have a good weekend, go Sox, go Pats.

Right now the best pitchers on the Boston Red Sox are Sale, Pomeranz, Fister, Reed and Kimbrel.
All five were aquired by Dave D in the last two years because the Red Sox had had a awful time at developing pitchers.
The bottom line is this.
Red Sox 2014 - last place
Red Sox 2015 - last place
Red Sox 2016 - first place
Red Sox 2017 - first place - so far
Not sure how you can argue that.

Poncier

I do believe I said Sale, Pomeranz and Kimbrel were good deals. I said it was too early to tell on Reed. (He's pitched well since I said that).

But you have to acknowledge the guy has had several bad deals as well. And has drained a lot out of the farm system.

Cliffy6745

Poncier said:

I do believe I said Sale, Pomeranz and Kimbrel were good deals. I said it was too early to tell on Reed. (He's pitched well since I said that).

But you have to acknowledge the guy has had several bad deals as well. And has drained a lot out of the farm system.

That's his MO, draining the farm systems

Halifax2TheMax

The June swoon came late this year.

dankind

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