when will the spaniards stop abusing the bulls ..

josevolution

Check out this gallery I found at AOL...
http://sports.aol.com/top-sports-photos?feeddeeplinkNum=0

talk about cruelty even the horse gets f'd up morons i tell ya ...

Sian-of-the-dead

I love the way they categorise it as 'sport' :rolleyes:

It's just brutality for the sake of it.

reeferchief

To be fair you cant generalise all spaniards as bull torturers.

josevolution

Sian-of-the-dead wrote:

I love the way they categorise it as 'sport' :rolleyes:

It's just brutality for the sake of it.

yeah really what a sport as if it was even teams the bull never wins, wimps at best those bull fighters .....

josevolution

reeferchief wrote:

To be fair you cant generalise all spaniards as bull torturers.

my bad your right how about those bull fighters that happen to be spanish ...

Swan

it looks like the bull gave as good as he got.

it's not like the bull is waiting around to be slaughtered, cut up and distributed to grocery stores around the world.

reeferchief

josevolution wrote:

my bad your right how about those bull fighters that happen to be spanish ...

Thanks, its just similar to saying all muslims are terrorists or whatever at least thats how it read anyways.:)

I dont agree with the torture of the bulls neither, I think it is vile and wish they would stop also.
A lot of traditions from various different cultures need to be left in the past to prove we are actually evolving.

josevolution

Swan wrote:

it looks like the bull gave as good as he got.

it's not like the bull is waiting around to be slaughtered, cut up and distributed to grocery stores around the world.

hello the bull has no choice what else would the bull do but fight back under the circumstances ....and no after the bull is dead they probably just get rid of the carcass and f the hungry ....

reeferchief

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullfighting

Reading that tells me its far from just some spanish that need to stop.

Swan

hi.

it's a bull, they're bred for one of three things.

1. breeding
2. entertainment
3. steak

and it's a bull, it's not like he's standing there thinking "okay, i have no choice i have to fight."

and if you eat steaks and hamburgers you really shouldn't criticize people about how other people treat their cows.

Pauk

Swan wrote:

hi.

it's a bull, they're bred for one of three things.

1. breeding
2. entertainment
3. steak

and it's a bull, it's not like he's standing there thinking "okay, i have no choice i have to fight."

and if you eat steaks and hamburgers you really shouldn't criticize people about how other people treat their cows.

Not necessarily. It's perfectly logical to believe that entertainment is not a ethical reason for the trauma to the animal, especially as the pain is purposefully exacerbated and encouraged, while with food production suffering is kept to a minimum and there's a purpose for the animal.

catefrances

reeferchief wrote:

Thanks, its just similar to saying all muslims are terrorists or whatever at least thats how it read anyways.:)

I dont agree with the torture of the bulls neither, I think it is vile and wish they would stop also.
A lot of traditions from various different cultures need to be left in the past to prove we are actually evolving.

everyone who is in attendance at a bullfight is complicit. it matters not whether they are the one actually thrusting the weapon into the bull.

josevolution

Swan wrote:

hi.

it's a bull, they're bred for one of three things.

1. breeding
2. entertainment
3. steak

and it's a bull, it's not like he's standing there thinking "okay, i have no choice i have to fight."

and if you eat steaks and hamburgers you really shouldn't criticize people about how other people treat their cows.

yeah ok ...

reeferchief

catefrances wrote:

everyone who is in attendance at a bullfight is complicit. it matters not whether they are the one actually thrusting the weapon into the bull.

Quite often many tourists, the whole of each audience at a bull fight still does not constitute the entire Spanish population.
And I wasn't arguing that the audience plays no part in the torture and humiliation of the bull.
If only all animals had voices, there'd be a lot more vegetarians in the world.

catefrances

reeferchief wrote:

Quite often many tourists, the whole of each audience at a bull fight still does not constitute the entire Spanish population.
And I wasn't arguing that the audience plays no part in the torture and humiliation of the bull.
If only all animals had voices, there'd be a lot more vegetarians in the world.

did i say the audience was indicative of the spanish population? no i didn't. i was merely pointing out that if you attend a bullfight then you are complicit in the cruelty dealt out to those poor animals.

the fact that the bull attacks the fighters should be voice enough.

Collin

reeferchief wrote:

If only all animals had voices, there'd be a lot more vegetarians in the world.

Yeah... "And if thy aunt had cojones she would be thy uncle."

Pauk

reeferchief wrote:

If only all animals had voices, there'd be a lot more vegetarians in the world.

If only vegetables had eyes. Then maybe vegetarians would starve...

Collin

catefrances wrote:

the fact that the bull attacks the fighters should be voice enough.

Bulls are just mean bastards, though. There's a nice piece of nature close to where I live where you can walk and next to it there's a field with cows and a bull in it. The bull is very very aggressive even though it gets treated very well. I bet if it were loose it would attack you too.

catefrances

Collin wrote:

Bulls are just mean bastards, though. There's a nice piece of nature close to where I live where you can walk and next to it there's a field with cows and a bull in it. The bull is very very aggressive even though it gets treated very well. I bet if it were loose it would attack you too.

honestly if i was kept from my mate i'd be a mean bastard too. hmm actually hang on a minute... anyhoo, youre attributing anthropomorphic tendencies to an animal. he just sees you as a threat. and hes right. give him a break.

reeferchief

fowls wrote:

If only vegetables had eyes. Then maybe vegetarians would starve...

Dont get me wrong I aint no veggie, I eat animals as well, but I dont torture them unnecisarily(spelt like shit).:)

Collin

catefrances wrote:

honestly if i was kept from my mate i'd be a mean bastard too. hmm actually hang on a minute... anyhoo, youre attributing anthropomorphic tendencies to an animal. he just sees you as a threat. and hes right. give him a break.

He's got tons of nice looking and willing cows all around him! And I'm not a threat at all, I don't want his cows!

Anyway, bulls are bastards. But of course that doesn't mean we should fight them. Except when they attack us.

Damn tasty bastards!