I am worried about my liver :/

lalalalaaaaaaaa

My advice would be:

1. See a doctor if something is hurting inside. Don't try to self-diagnose something like that. And don't listen to your friends about your peeing frequency. That's not something to be concerned about unless the doc tells you otherwise.

2. Quit drinking and see how you feel. Alcohol is so much more damaging and dangerous than kratom. Kratom is often used to TREAT opiate addiction. It's not an opiate, and I seriously doubt it's giving you liver problems (or any other problems). Alcohol, on the other hand, can give you those kinds of problems.

3. Calm down

lalalalaaaaaaaa

and what the hell is with everyone giving advice on how to deal with "opiate withdrawal"? Do some research before you give bogus advice. Jeest almighty!

sponger

Ride the snake
To the Lake

Ride the snake
He's old
And his skin is cold

CHANGEinWAVES

Saturnal wrote:

and what the hell is with everyone giving advice on how to deal with "opiate withdrawal"? Do some research before you give bogus advice. Jeest almighty!

I was just talking about the withdrawal I KNEW about and that happened to be opiate withdrawal. Didn't feel the need to research when the OP had stated it was an opiate... Just thought he knew what he was talking about. So I offered what I knew. Sorry for trying to be HELPFUL...shhheeeshhhh!

sponger

If opiate withdrawal was a war, I'd be the equivalent of a decorated veteran.

And with that in mind, I'd say that CHANGEinWAVES knows the dealio inside and out.

lalalalaaaaaaaa

CHANGEinWAVES wrote:

I was just talking about the withdrawal I KNEW about and that happened to be opiate withdrawal. Didn't feel the need to research when the OP had stated it was an opiate... Just thought he knew what he was talking about. So I offered what I knew. Sorry for trying to be HELPFUL...shhheeeshhhh!

Just because your intentions are good doesn't make it ok to give bogus advice, especially when it's related to drug use. It's just irresponsible imo. Telling him to "worry more" about his "addiction to opiates" (which doesn't exist) rather than his liver pain is ridiculous. He should stop drinking and see a doctor immediately for internal pains like that, and worry about withdrawal symptoms to krat later.

CHANGEinWAVES

Saturnal wrote:

Just because your intentions are good doesn't make it ok to give bogus advice, especially when it's related to drug use. It's just irresponsible imo. Telling him to "worry more" about his "addiction to opiates" (which doesn't exist) rather than his liver pain is ridiculous. He should stop drinking and see a doctor immediately for internal pains like that, and worry about withdrawal symptoms to krat later.

YEP...Ur allowed ur opinion.

pretext

hartamh wrote:

The first thing I told him was to see a doctor and get a blood test or tests preferably, and see what the results are from there.

As far as the detox goes, he again would need to see a doctor, I worked in a detox center before plus I know people who have detoxed before. You just can't walk into a place and say that you want to detox yourself off of any particular drug. It's all supervised by doctors. My son went in for detoxing off of pain killers this past April, so I do know something about those particular drugs. They do affect the nervous system and I've seen people either die or just go in for rehab and are never the same again.

I wasn't disagreeing with you. Everything needs to be supervised by professionals. That's the only advice I give to anyone with similar concerns. And if you walk into a doctor or hospital, they will do the proper evaluation and referral. Beyond that, I don't have anything else to add since I'm not a practitioner outside the bounds of work (thank god).

However, I an hoping the OP has gotten himself checked out since he hasn't posted in a bit. I hope it all goes well for him. Let us know, dude.

NothinGBetteRPJMaN

Saturnal wrote:

and what the hell is with everyone giving advice on how to deal with "opiate withdrawal"? Do some research before you give bogus advice. Jeest almighty!

Although kratom is not a true opiate, the withdrawal is very similar. Kratom has similar effects, wd symptoms, and a chemical makeup to opiates. I don't think the wd is as severe or dangerous, but I know it is going to be hell for at least 3-4 days and similar to that of a hyrocodone wd so advice on how to handle that is very helpful.

Right now I think I might go to the Student Health Services tomorrow at 11am and the appt times seem to only be for 15 minutes....wtf? I don't know what I will tell the Dr.

There is no way I am going to a treatment center! I cant let my parents know. I don't think I need that type of help because I don't think kratom is very serious. My plan is to take 3-4 days off and see how that goes, if it becomes too much to handle, I will get help.

NothinGBetteRPJMaN

I also have cut my daily dose to about half that past week or so, which I think will help with the wd and everything. In other words I cut down from taking a sedating dose to a stimulating dose

NothinGBetteRPJMaN

CHANGEinWAVES wrote:

I was just talking about the withdrawal I KNEW about and that happened to be opiate withdrawal. Didn't feel the need to research when the OP had stated it was an opiate... Just thought he knew what he was talking about. So I offered what I knew. Sorry for trying to be HELPFUL...shhheeeshhhh!

You are very helpful! You gave me an excuse to eat lots and lots of candy and sugar!

I appreciate everyone that has posted with advice etc. I can always use it and would love to hear some more

CHANGEinWAVES

NothinGBetteRPJMaN wrote:

You are very helpful! You gave me an excuse to eat lots and lots of candy and sugar!

I appreciate everyone that has posted with advice etc. I can always use it and would love to hear some more

just take care of yourself and let us know...we all want u to get better!

CHANGEinWAVES

sponger wrote:

If opiate withdrawal was a war, I'd be the equivalent of a decorated veteran.

And with that in mind, I'd say that CHANGEinWAVES knows the dealio inside and out.

thank you for the back up.
sorry to hear about ur war with opiates:(

NothinGBetteRPJMaN

CHANGEinWAVES wrote:

just take care of yourself and let us know...we all want u to get better!

I do too!! I am really really upset and hope that I didnt really screw with my health! I dont wanna die young

Everyone has been very supportive(especially you) and I appreciate it very much!

Lostdogsinthegarden

From what you're describing it doesn't seem like those symptoms are due to a liver injury. Skin turning yellow, however, is a big sign of a liver injury. The best thing you can do right now is stop thinking about it until you see a doctor, because when you get a neurotic idea stuck in your head it's not going anywhere. It's a vicious cycle. Make a doctors appointment and have it checked out, if these pains are really irritating. Obviously you need to quit the drugs, so the doctor should give you a referral for that. Till then, just take your mind off of it and I'm sure it'll start getting better. Good luck.

mickeyrat

OP ride it out and NEVER forget how it felt to go through it.

As changein Waves said Find an open AA meeting. Lot more people with sobriety and while there are chronic relapsers , You will, I think , have a better chance. Also Meetings alone ain't going to cut it. At least not for me. Working " the program "is what does it.

I've had my own issues as an Equal opportunity substance abuser.I can tell you that my life has gotten incredible better because of AA and the people in it.

Feel free to PM me and check out the "PJ fans in 12 step recovery " thread in Words and Music

iluvcats

did you have a CBC yet? it's the blood test that you get early in the a.m. after fasting. that will show if you have damaged your kidneys or liver. it will show your blood sugar (glucose) level as well. it will let the doctor know if you need additional tests.

you might be ok, I mean, after keith richards is still alive and so is niki sixx from motley crue

but please be careful with kava kava, I read an article about a girl who had liver problems from that.

lalalalaaaaaaaa

NothinGBetteRPJMaN wrote:

Although kratom is not a true opiate, the withdrawal is very similar. Kratom has similar effects, wd symptoms, and a chemical makeup to opiates. I don't think the wd is as severe or dangerous, but I know it is going to be hell for at least 3-4 days and similar to that of a hyrocodone wd so advice on how to handle that is very helpful.

Right now I think I might go to the Student Health Services tomorrow at 11am and the appt times seem to only be for 15 minutes....wtf? I don't know what I will tell the Dr.

There is no way I am going to a treatment center! I cant let my parents know. I don't think I need that type of help because I don't think kratom is very serious. My plan is to take 3-4 days off and see how that goes, if it becomes too much to handle, I will get help.

Kratom isn't very serious, but when combined with drinking alcohol, you never know. It could be extremely serious. That's why I think you should stop drinking first, then see a doctor about the inner pain to see what he/she says, THEN worry about going through krat withdrawal.

NothinGBetteRPJMaN

mickeyrat wrote:

OP ride it out and NEVER forget how it felt to go through it.

As changein Waves said Find an open AA meeting. Lot more people with sobriety and while there are chronic relapsers , You will, I think , have a better chance. Also Meetings alone ain't going to cut it. At least not for me. Working " the program "is what does it.

I've had my own issues as an Equal opportunity substance abuser.I can tell you that my life has gotten incredible better because of AA and the people in it.

Feel free to PM me and check out the "PJ fans in 12 step recovery " thread in Words and Music

Yea I am debating about whether or not to go to an AA or NA meeting. It is kinda intimidating though. Never thought I would go to one and I know for sure I am not comfortable enough with it to say anything at those meetings for the first few times at least.

Thank you very much for the PM offer, it's always nice to know I can talk to someone. I actually already read that thread and I really enjoyed it and it helped put things in perspective. I should post there!

NothinGBetteRPJMaN

iluvcats wrote:

did you have a CBC yet? it's the blood test that you get early in the a.m. after fasting. that will show if you have damaged your kidneys or liver. it will show your blood sugar (glucose) level as well. it will let the doctor know if you need additional tests.

you might be ok, I mean, after keith richards is still alive and so is niki sixx from motley crue

but please be careful with kava kava, I read an article about a girl who had liver problems from that.

No I haven't had it yet. I don't know if and when I am going to the Dr. If I don't go tomorrow, I won't go until Monday and I am not very comfortable telling someone about my problem.