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NBA Ref Scandal

Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
edited June 2008 in All Encompassing Trip
In light of Tim Donaghy’s revelation that NBA referees have officiated past games in “the best interest of the league”, I can’t say I’m shocked, but I can say I’m enraged. I’m enraged to the point that I will no longer follow professional basketball (which is very tough as I love the game).

As a fan of a small market team, there were always the conspiracy theories that officiating would benefit the more popular and profitable large market teams. But in the end, I would just blame it on the referee being incompetent.

Many fans (including myself) have invested time, money, and a deep sense of care in the hopes that one day their team might pull off a championship run. How can I know that my team (Indiana Pacers) was not affected by biased officiating against large market teams (i.e. Chicago, New York, LA) during their runs in the 90’s? How can fans in Houston, Phoenix, and Sacramento invest any more time and money in the league? Even the large market teams may have been affected because a series was drawn out to increase ratings and profits.

I know Donaghy has motive but it still stings. And deep down inside, I fear what he say is the truth.
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  • pjsteelerfanpjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,903
    I don't know if they were told to fix games, that may be a reach. But I can easily see them telling officials to make sure stars get calls and don't foul out of games. Or thrown out.
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  • bryn_cmbsbryn_cmbs Posts: 407
    I have no doubt that the WCF (Kings vs Lakers) in 02 was fixed.
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  • smithnicsmithnic Posts: 1,563
    There is so much gray area in terms of fouls in the NBA that it's pretty easy to look at it as being fixed. Donaghy is looking at significant jail time and is trying to do anything he can to help his case. I'd like to think that it wasn't fixed, but it's pretty hard to overlook the Laker v. Sac Town WC finals.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    bryn_cmbs wrote:
    I have no doubt that the WCF (Kings vs Lakers) in 02 was fixed.
    So this is the one that he is claiming was fixed, eh?? I figured it had to involve those media darlings, the L.A. Fakers....got to get Kobe and Shaq those rings, you know.
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  • eyedclaareyedclaar Posts: 6,980
    bryn_cmbs wrote:
    I have no doubt that the WCF (Kings vs Lakers) in 02 was fixed.

    If you watched game 6 of that series, I don't know how you could come to any other conclusion. Seriously, the worst officiated game I have ever seen in all of my life in all of professional sports...
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  • bryn_cmbsbryn_cmbs Posts: 407
    eyedclaar wrote:
    If you watched game 6 of that series, I don't know how you could come to any other conclusion. Seriously, the worst officiated game I have ever seen in all of my life in all of professional sports...

    I agree. I remember watching it live on TV and how mad I got, not even being a fan of the Kings. I can’t imagine how Kings fans felt that night.
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  • rearviewmirorrearviewmiror Posts: 894
    I still remember my blood boiling during that series. I am not shocled by the allegations, and it's sad that even after Ralph Nader asked for an investigation we still have these issues 6 years later.

    I know they didn't have to listen to Ralp, but the writing has been on the wall for a while now and the NBA ignored it.
    9/7/98, 8/3/00, 9/4/00, 4/15/03, 7/1/03, 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 5/24/06, 5/25/06, 6/17/08, 6/22/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 5/17/10, 10/15/13, 10/16/13.
  • ?ing my education?ing my education Posts: 313
    The NBA is a joke. Especially the officiating.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    rearviewmiror wrote:
    I still remember my blood boiling during that series. I am not shocled by the allegations, and it's sad that even after Ralph Nader asked for an investigation we still have these issues 6 years later.

    I know they didn't have to listen to Ralp, but the writing has been on the wall for a while now and the NBA ignored it.
    ...and there were officiating issues raised this playoff season that went in favor of one of the teams from 2002....Boston fans beware.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • smithnicsmithnic Posts: 1,563
    Look at this year even with that no call on Brent Barry! That was horrible! But because no one seems to like the Spurs it wasn't a big deal.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    smithnic wrote:
    Look at this year even with that no call on Brent Barry! That was horrible! But because no one seems to like the Spurs it wasn't a big deal.
    Greedy TV networks, greedy owners, greedy league, greedy advertisers...thus we must endure this injustice.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • meisteredermeistereder Posts: 1,577
    bryn_cmbs wrote:
    I agree. I remember watching it live on TV and how mad I got, not even being a fan of the Kings. I can’t imagine how Kings fans felt that night.


    Kings fans are degenerates anyway.

    Seriously, though, refs "equalizing" series in the playoffs has been talked about for decades. Any team that has ever gone to the playoffs has both benefitted from and been negatively impacted by it. This series is a good example. Game 2 was ridiculous because the NBA wanted the Celtics to win both games at home. Game 3 was better officiated, and now Celtics fans are complaining. The Celtics are the media favorites right now. They are even being painted as the underdogs, which is laughable. 66 wins during the year, home court advantage, a 2-0 season sweep of teh Lakers, and they are the underdogs!

    This ref has admitted to taking bribes from bookies and the mob, hasn't he? You have to take what he says with a grain of salt, but equalizing games has always been around. Not just in the 2 series he alleges -- 2002 and 2005.
    San Diego 10/25/00, Mountain View 6/1/03, Santa Barbara 10/28/03, Northwest School 3/18/05, San Diego 7/7/06, Los Angeles 7/9/06, 7/10/06, Honolulu (U2) 12/9/06, Santa Barbara (EV) 4/10/08, Los Angeles (EV) 4/12/08, Hartford 6/27/08, Mansfield 6/28/08, VH1 Rock Honors The Who 7/12/08, Seattle 9/21/09, Universal City 9/30/09, 10/1/09, 10/6/09, 10/7/09, San Diego 10/9/09, Los Angeles (EV) 7/8/11, Santa Barbara (EV) 7/9/11, Chicago 7/19/13, San Diego 11/21/13, Los Angeles 11/23/13, 11/24/13, Oakland 11/26/13, Chicago 8/22/16, Missoula 8/13/18, Boston 9/2/18, Los Angeles 2/25/22 (EV), San Diego 5/3/22, Los Angeles 5/6/22, 5/7/22, Imola 6/25/22, Los Angeles 5/21/24, [London 6/29/24], [Boston 9/15/24]
  • meisteredermeistereder Posts: 1,577
    Here is an interesting take on this thing.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-sternref061108&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
    San Diego 10/25/00, Mountain View 6/1/03, Santa Barbara 10/28/03, Northwest School 3/18/05, San Diego 7/7/06, Los Angeles 7/9/06, 7/10/06, Honolulu (U2) 12/9/06, Santa Barbara (EV) 4/10/08, Los Angeles (EV) 4/12/08, Hartford 6/27/08, Mansfield 6/28/08, VH1 Rock Honors The Who 7/12/08, Seattle 9/21/09, Universal City 9/30/09, 10/1/09, 10/6/09, 10/7/09, San Diego 10/9/09, Los Angeles (EV) 7/8/11, Santa Barbara (EV) 7/9/11, Chicago 7/19/13, San Diego 11/21/13, Los Angeles 11/23/13, 11/24/13, Oakland 11/26/13, Chicago 8/22/16, Missoula 8/13/18, Boston 9/2/18, Los Angeles 2/25/22 (EV), San Diego 5/3/22, Los Angeles 5/6/22, 5/7/22, Imola 6/25/22, Los Angeles 5/21/24, [London 6/29/24], [Boston 9/15/24]
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    ?ing my education wrote:
    The NBA is a joke. Especially the officiating.

    You thought 911 was a joke the NBA is a joke. Who knows what goes on behind close doors.

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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    The fix is in for the Celtics. :)

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  • meisteredermeistereder Posts: 1,577
    g under p wrote:
    The fix is in for the Celtics. :)

    Peace


    Honestly, whoever wins this series, the NBA does not care. But I am sure they want it to go to 6 or 7 drama-filed games. It's almost inevitable.
    San Diego 10/25/00, Mountain View 6/1/03, Santa Barbara 10/28/03, Northwest School 3/18/05, San Diego 7/7/06, Los Angeles 7/9/06, 7/10/06, Honolulu (U2) 12/9/06, Santa Barbara (EV) 4/10/08, Los Angeles (EV) 4/12/08, Hartford 6/27/08, Mansfield 6/28/08, VH1 Rock Honors The Who 7/12/08, Seattle 9/21/09, Universal City 9/30/09, 10/1/09, 10/6/09, 10/7/09, San Diego 10/9/09, Los Angeles (EV) 7/8/11, Santa Barbara (EV) 7/9/11, Chicago 7/19/13, San Diego 11/21/13, Los Angeles 11/23/13, 11/24/13, Oakland 11/26/13, Chicago 8/22/16, Missoula 8/13/18, Boston 9/2/18, Los Angeles 2/25/22 (EV), San Diego 5/3/22, Los Angeles 5/6/22, 5/7/22, Imola 6/25/22, Los Angeles 5/21/24, [London 6/29/24], [Boston 9/15/24]
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    2 years ago I made the comment on this board that the NBA would ensure that the series would go the distance and several people told me that was ridiculous. It kinda has more credibility now.
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  • meisteredermeistereder Posts: 1,577
    know1 wrote:
    2 years ago I made the comment on this board that the NBA would ensure that the series would go the distance and several people told me that was ridiculous. It kinda has more credibility now.


    Anyone who has watched their fair share of NBA playoffs series knows that there are tendencies: If the home team takes 2, they equalize it in game 3, and so on. But that works for every team that is good enough to get home court advantage.

    I got a real bad taste in my mouth when the media started to paint the Lakers as the favorites before this series started.
    San Diego 10/25/00, Mountain View 6/1/03, Santa Barbara 10/28/03, Northwest School 3/18/05, San Diego 7/7/06, Los Angeles 7/9/06, 7/10/06, Honolulu (U2) 12/9/06, Santa Barbara (EV) 4/10/08, Los Angeles (EV) 4/12/08, Hartford 6/27/08, Mansfield 6/28/08, VH1 Rock Honors The Who 7/12/08, Seattle 9/21/09, Universal City 9/30/09, 10/1/09, 10/6/09, 10/7/09, San Diego 10/9/09, Los Angeles (EV) 7/8/11, Santa Barbara (EV) 7/9/11, Chicago 7/19/13, San Diego 11/21/13, Los Angeles 11/23/13, 11/24/13, Oakland 11/26/13, Chicago 8/22/16, Missoula 8/13/18, Boston 9/2/18, Los Angeles 2/25/22 (EV), San Diego 5/3/22, Los Angeles 5/6/22, 5/7/22, Imola 6/25/22, Los Angeles 5/21/24, [London 6/29/24], [Boston 9/15/24]
  • harrymanbackharrymanback Posts: 435
    What also is forgotten is how in 2003 the NBA, in midseason mind you, changed the first round to best of 7 ... when this happened there was discussion that this was done to benefit the lakers, a team that started off slow, but got healthy to reach the 5 seed. NOTE: the longer the series, the advantage goes to the better team. even though they were a lower seed, they were a better team come postseason over the # 4 T-Wolves.
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  • meisteredermeistereder Posts: 1,577
    harrymanback wrote:
    What also is forgotten is how in 2003 the NBA, in midseason mind you, changed the first round to best of 7 ... when this happened there was discussion that this was done to benefit the lakers, a team that started off slow, but got healthy to reach the 5 seed. NOTE: the longer the series, the advantage goes to the better team. even though they were a lower seed, they were a better team come postseason over the # 4 T-Wolves.

    Well, I admit I am biased in favor of the Lakers, but generally it is good that the better team should win the series, right?

    I never realized how many people hate the Lakers. I understand how Yankees fans feel now.
    San Diego 10/25/00, Mountain View 6/1/03, Santa Barbara 10/28/03, Northwest School 3/18/05, San Diego 7/7/06, Los Angeles 7/9/06, 7/10/06, Honolulu (U2) 12/9/06, Santa Barbara (EV) 4/10/08, Los Angeles (EV) 4/12/08, Hartford 6/27/08, Mansfield 6/28/08, VH1 Rock Honors The Who 7/12/08, Seattle 9/21/09, Universal City 9/30/09, 10/1/09, 10/6/09, 10/7/09, San Diego 10/9/09, Los Angeles (EV) 7/8/11, Santa Barbara (EV) 7/9/11, Chicago 7/19/13, San Diego 11/21/13, Los Angeles 11/23/13, 11/24/13, Oakland 11/26/13, Chicago 8/22/16, Missoula 8/13/18, Boston 9/2/18, Los Angeles 2/25/22 (EV), San Diego 5/3/22, Los Angeles 5/6/22, 5/7/22, Imola 6/25/22, Los Angeles 5/21/24, [London 6/29/24], [Boston 9/15/24]
  • rearviewmirorrearviewmiror Posts: 894
    Imagine them hating all of your teams and you'll know what it's like to live in Boston. :)

    The refs are critically incompetent. That's what made Donaghy able to hide his goings on. It looked like just another bad ref.
    9/7/98, 8/3/00, 9/4/00, 4/15/03, 7/1/03, 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 5/24/06, 5/25/06, 6/17/08, 6/22/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 5/17/10, 10/15/13, 10/16/13.
  • meisteredermeistereder Posts: 1,577
    rearviewmiror wrote:
    Imagine them hating all of your teams and you'll know what it's like to live in Boston. :)

    The refs are critically incompetent. That's what made Donaghy able to hide his goings on. It looked like just another bad ref.


    That's actually a good point. This equalizing crap that they have done for years gave this guy the ability to pull this off for a while at least.
    San Diego 10/25/00, Mountain View 6/1/03, Santa Barbara 10/28/03, Northwest School 3/18/05, San Diego 7/7/06, Los Angeles 7/9/06, 7/10/06, Honolulu (U2) 12/9/06, Santa Barbara (EV) 4/10/08, Los Angeles (EV) 4/12/08, Hartford 6/27/08, Mansfield 6/28/08, VH1 Rock Honors The Who 7/12/08, Seattle 9/21/09, Universal City 9/30/09, 10/1/09, 10/6/09, 10/7/09, San Diego 10/9/09, Los Angeles (EV) 7/8/11, Santa Barbara (EV) 7/9/11, Chicago 7/19/13, San Diego 11/21/13, Los Angeles 11/23/13, 11/24/13, Oakland 11/26/13, Chicago 8/22/16, Missoula 8/13/18, Boston 9/2/18, Los Angeles 2/25/22 (EV), San Diego 5/3/22, Los Angeles 5/6/22, 5/7/22, Imola 6/25/22, Los Angeles 5/21/24, [London 6/29/24], [Boston 9/15/24]
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,593
    first off Tim Donaghy is a scumbag pure and simple. I happen to live in the area he is from and it's well known around here that he is scum and that most of the other refs truly dislike this guy. He is trying to save is hide by selling out anyone and everyone he can. Come on guys, you can't honestly think the NBA office is telling officials who to let win games are you? That would be suicide for the league to do that. Also if the league wanted the big markets to win how the heck has San Antonio won so often? Are there dirty refs and games that have been thrown - most likely. I have no doubt some of the refs bet and have thrown games, but I highly doubt the league has had anything to do with that.
  • rearviewmirorrearviewmiror Posts: 894
    I think the fact that the NBA didn't keep a better eye on refs in general led to this though. Whatever existed or whatever bias we want to infer is only possible because the league let it get so bad.
    9/7/98, 8/3/00, 9/4/00, 4/15/03, 7/1/03, 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 5/24/06, 5/25/06, 6/17/08, 6/22/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 5/17/10, 10/15/13, 10/16/13.
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