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jamminpearls

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

jamminpearls wrote:

Nashville will try and get some of are big time young guys. Couts or Scheen would be at the top of there list. Would u rather have Weber who dosen't wanna be there and his contract. Or Couts or Scheen and say Read or Voracek/Coburn and 1-2 1st picks?

If im Nashville im taking 2 1st rd picks,Couts,Read and maybe Coburn. It would then be Weber and 2 of are picks back for that package in hinesight.

I'm glad you're not our GM. :roll:

Couts AND Read in place of two first rounders???

Your not understanding. Nashville can just end this all by matching. But they really can't afford that contract t because of the way we front loaded it. They would tell us there matching it no matter what inless we make a side trade. Homer then has to decide if he thinks Nashville is bluffing.

We'd give them 4 1st rd picks if they didn't match. So the side deal would then be some of are good young pieces for 2 of our picks back. It's a money reason and a way to make sure we get Weber.

jamminpearls

The Fixer wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

jamminpearls wrote:

Nashville will try and get some of are big time young guys. Couts or Scheen would be at the top of there list. Would u rather have Weber who dosen't wanna be there and his contract. Or Couts or Scheen and say Read or Voracek/Coburn and 1-2 1st picks?

If im Nashville im taking 2 1st rd picks,Couts,Read and maybe Coburn. It would then be Weber and 2 of are picks back for that package in hinesight.

I'm glad you're not our GM. :roll:

Couts AND Read in place of two first rounders???

you forgot that he included voracek or coburn on top of what you mentioned

They'd pick a group of players they wanted and then the teams would decide who actually goes. Its what i read on sites. Its actually not that hard to get if ur main objective isn't to just hate on a person.

The Fixer

MayDay10 wrote:

i still think it is as simple as:

Nashville matches, he is on the Predators for a long time.

If they dont, the Flyers get him for a long time. The compensatory picks will be sent Nashville's way.


I dont believe it is legal for any other deals to be going on at this time. Nor do I think any moves will be made right after to 'even it up'. Also, I believe by signing an offer sheet, the possibility of Weber being traded is illegal for a year.

Yeah, this is on point with everything I read today. I'm with you as far as working trades now. Not sure if that's legal. There are tons of rumors and talking heads throwing shit out there, but who knows if any of it is accurate. As we all know, most of the time those blogs and rumors are nonsense

So now we wait....

MayDay10

they need some Left Wingers really bad too.

JK_Livin

NO TRADE. We get him or we don't.

jamminpearls

JK_Livin wrote:

NO TRADE. We get him or we don't.

I hope so. This would be the best choice for us.

jamminpearls

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012 ... ber-trade/
Heres a good read.

jamminpearls

Shea Weber had some interest in playing for the New York Rangers, but the prospect of living in such a big city was a deterrent.
Weber's agent said that his client is a "small-town guy." Weber ultimately decided to sign an offer sheet with the Philadelphia Flyers. The Nashville Predators now have a week to match it or allow Weber to leave in exchange for draft picks

lukin2006

I think the predators match...all this talk that Weber doesn't want to play for Nashville is silly...because if Nashville matches then he potentially has to play there for 14 years, if he didn't want to play there then sign a 1 year contract and leave as an UFA next year. Nashville has tons of cap room.

Either way I still doubt the flyers win the cup...need a real goalie.

The Fixer

lukin2006 wrote:

Either way I still doubt the flyers win the cup...need a real goalie.

Such a farce. since the lockout here are the cup winning goalies.

cam ward
jean-sebastian giguere
chris osgood
marc-andre fleury
antti niemi

nice try though. go hate somewhere else

lukin2006

The Fixer wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Either way I still doubt the flyers win the cup...need a real goalie.

Such a farce. since the lockout here are the cup winning goalies.

cam ward
jean-sebastian giguere
chris osgood
marc-andre fleury
antti niemi

nice try though. go hate somewhere else

With the exception of Niemi I'd pretty much take all of them over Bryzgalov and probably Niemi as well.

The Fixer

lukin2006 wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Either way I still doubt the flyers win the cup...need a real goalie.

Such a farce. since the lockout here are the cup winning goalies.

cam ward
jean-sebastian giguere
chris osgood
marc-andre fleury
antti niemi

nice try though. go hate somewhere else

With the exception of Niemi I'd pretty much take all of them over Bryzgalov and probably Niemi as well.

taking the Bryz contract into account I wouldn't argue that (hopefully there is an amnesty clause in the new cba). The guys above are far from superstars though and it's not out of the realm of possibility that bryz could put together a good enough stretch to win a cup. especially if the flyers get weber and end up with one of the best bluelines in the NHL.

The Fixer

good info here. a trade sounds like the most realistic possibility


While the hockey world waits to see whether the Nashville Predators will match the Flyers' $110 million offer sheet to All-Star defenseman Shea Weber, a pair of Philadelphia's own restricted free agents are left to wonder how (if at all) the outcome of the offer sheet will affect their own status with the team.

Forward Jakub Voracek and defenseman Marc-Andre Bourdon both remain unsigned as of now. The Voracek negotiations are, by far, the dicier of the two.

When the Flyers had their end-of-season media day after the Devils series, general manager Paul Holmgren said that he did not anticipate that Voracek would be a tough signing. However, he also said he anticipated getting Matt Carle re-signed below market value ahead of July 1.

Voracek's agent, Petr Svoboda, is looking for a substantial raise on the $2.25 million that his client earned last season on a one-year contract. Based on other recent signings such as Teddy Purcell's deal with Tampa Bay, is believed that the current asking price on Voracek on a multi-year deal is close to the $4 million range. At this point, if there is to be a multi-year agreement, the Flyers would be paying the soon-to-be 23-year-old Voracek based more on his potential continued development than his track record to date.

The demands may be significantly lower in a one-year deal. However, Voracek would be a restricted free agent again next summer and the price tag could shoot up (lowered cap ceiling or not) if he were to have a big season.

Bourdon's situation is not nearly as tough from a financial standpoint. The 22-year-old figures to get a modest raise on the $875,000 he received in the third and final season of his entry-level contract. While he generally played well in 2011-12 prior to suffering concussion issues in the latter part of the season and playoffs, Bourdon only has 45 games on NHL experience under his belt.

However, Bourdon is already affected by a numbers crunch on the blueline. Even without Weber in the picture, the Flyers would have eight veteran NHL defensemen (Kimmo Timonen, Luke Schenn, Braydon Coburn, Nicklas Grossmann, Andrej Meszaros, Bruno Gervais and Andreas Lilja) plus waiver-exempt Erik Gustafsson to compete with Bourdon for a roster spot.

If the Flyers add Weber to the picture, there's no spot for Bourdon unless there are multiple injuries when the 2012-13 season (eventually) starts. Because he is no longer on his entry-level contract, Bourdon would require waivers to be sent to the Phantoms next year. The team has a difficult decision to make on him. He definitely played well enough as an NHL rookie to merit some playing time next year, but will it be in Philadelphia?

Increasingly, it seems as if the Weber offer sheet will end up going one of two ways: the Predators match it and try to manage around the severe financial hardships it will cause or else they arrange a de facto trade for Weber in exchange for not matching the offer sheet.
The least likely scenario appears to be the possibility of the Predators simply walking away with the four first-round picks that would come their way if they don't match.

In the "Gratton trade" scenario, the Predators would decline to match the offer sheet and then immediately send some or all of the first-round picks back to Philadelphia in exchange for players. If this is the case, I think Bourdon or Gustafsson will be one of the secondary pieces heading to Nashville.

It is also not out of the question that Voracek could end up in Nashville.

Yes, the Flyers have already lost substantial pieces at wing with the depatures of Jaromir Jagr and James van Riemsdyk. Yes, the club would like to see if Voracek (who closed the season out with the best two-way hockey of his career) can fill the Jagr void. But if the club refuses to deal either Sean Couturier or Brayden Schenn -- even at the risk of losing out on the best all-around defenseman in the NHL -- they will almost have to make Voracek available.

This is especially true if Svoboda was looking for more money than the club was willing to pay even BEFORE taking on Weber's $7.9 million cap hit (not to mention paying out all the signing bonus money due to the defenseman under the terms of the offer sheet). If Weber comes, the Flyers would ideally prefer to shed a couple salaries. With Nashville having so much required spending left to get to the cap floor, Voracek could probably get both more money and a multi-year deal.

If Voracek were to get dealt to, he could step right into a top-six role in Nashville. The Flyers would feel his loss but still have some decent options for Giroux's right wing (Wayne Simmonds, Matt Read, shifting Danny Briere from second-line center to top-line RW). But Philly would definitely be much weaker on the wings that they were a year ago. The trade-off would be potentially having the top blueline in the NHL.

A deal that would send Voracek, Meszaros , one of Bourdon or Gustafsson and two or three of the first-round picks to Nashville for Weber and the return of one or two of the first-round picks may or may not get it done.

I'm sure David Poile would prefer one of Couturier or Brayden Schenn and the healthier Coburn instead of Meszaros (who is coming off back surgery but is just a year removed from winning the Barry Ashbee Trophy as the Flyers top defenseman). However, I would think that, if that is the case, Paul Holmgren would tell the Predators to go ahead and match the offer sheet if they can.

If the Flyers had been willing to trade all that in the first place, they wouldn't have gone the offer sheet route. Now that the Predators are under the gun of matching the offer sheet, I think the return they can realistically expect goes down a bit -- but not as much as some may think.

Before, Nashville still faced the possibility of losing Weber as a UFA next summer. Now, if they can somehow come up with the money to match without totally destroying the money-losing franchise's financial outlook, they know they can keep Weber for the rest of his career if they so desire.

Dr. Delight

^
Meltzer, one of the best hockey writers out there.

Shane Doan is in Philly today visiting.

MayDay10

That trade idea looks more like wishful thinking to me. Why would nashville want a vastly overpaid voracek at $4 million, and a bunch of the flyers' spare parts instead of weber? Or even instead of 4 1st round picks? Why not offer sheet voracek if they wanted him?

I think you have to step back, deeper than the predators to find at least one of their owners is backed by multi billions. These guys look at a longer term picture and will see that spread out, the 7.8 million per is a decent deal. 26 million short term loss to guys with billions isnt much.

This team is also gaining a following after struggling for over a decade (while playing well). Their fans they worked hard for are going to be alienated if they lost suter and weber, but gained voracek, mazaroz, and gustaffsen. It would be a death knell to the franchise to go into rebuild mode right now.

Dr. Delight

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The Fixer

MayDay10 wrote:

That trade idea looks more like wishful thinking to me. Why would nashville want a vastly overpaid voracek at $4 million, and a bunch of the flyers' spare parts instead of weber? Or even instead of 4 1st round picks? Why not offer sheet voracek if they wanted him?

I think you have to step back, deeper than the predators to find at least one of their owners is backed by multi billions. These guys look at a longer term picture and will see that spread out, the 7.8 million per is a decent deal. 26 million short term loss to guys with billions isnt much.

This team is also gaining a following after struggling for over a decade (while playing well). Their fans they worked hard for are going to be alienated if they lost suter and weber, but gained voracek, mazaroz, and gustaffsen. It would be a death knell to the franchise to go into rebuild mode right now.

Though their owners are loaded, the team is still an investment for them. Pouring money into a business deal where they are most likely going to lose money (in regards to the weber contract) might not go over well with the ownership group.

Of course it's all speculation at this point. 3 more days and we will see....

Johnny Abruzzo

Guy here said the Preds are probably looking for defensive depth in a potential trade - maybe Cobourn, Mezsaros, Gustaffson, Bourdon...

They have only 4 D's on the roster if Weber leaves, and need $13M to hit the cap floor.

Also, maybe the Flyers try to at least get back the first rounder for the year the draft is in Philly.

The Fixer

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Guy here said the Preds are probably looking for defensive depth in a potential trade - maybe Cobourn, Mezsaros, Gustaffson, Bourdon...

They have only 4 D's on the roster if Weber leaves, and need $13M to hit the cap floor.

pronger? :thumbup:

Dr. Delight

I dont think it does us any good to give up both Coburn and Mezsaros. It's either one or the other.
I'd give them Voracek, Read, a couple of 1's and either Coburn or Mez.