I'm a farmer...guns are simply part of the equation.
They are tools just like pitchforks and electric fences.
You can't yell "bad dog" at the coyotes when they are eating your cattle, sheep or chickens and if you've ever pulled a king snake out from under the seat of your truck while driving you'll wish you had a pistol.
Sorry, but I can't agree with you. I own many guns and am responsible and legally allowed to own them. I think guns are a big reason you can live the way you live, FREE..
I don't understand that at all. I don't own a gun at all, never will do and I like to think that I have all the freedom I want to do whatever I need and to live the way I wanna live.
Wars have been fought for hundreds of years in this country using guns and the men who fought with them won our freedom..
And haven't they been used to oppress people unfairly as well. I'm sure they have. There have been wars which have been illegal or justified for imperialist reasons, and guns have been used as a part of that, I think...
Police have guns and allow you to sleep at night knowing that they are patrolling the community..
Unless you are unfortunate enough to get caught in a crossfire...
As for citizens owning them, why not? As long as they have passed all the requirements in their jurisdiction, I don't see the problem..
I guess if someone is robbing your house, then defending yourself can be justified, but it also depends on the intentions of the gun owner themselves.
Most times, you don't see legally armed citizens committing crimes. The people who possess firearms illegally are the most likely offenders of the law because it's harder to trace the weapon. I do agree with the last statement of yours. Anyone who committs burglary should be prepared for people like me who are not afraid to protect my family and my belongings.
Interesting debate and if I had more time I'd really weigh in. But for now it is, indeed, great that we can openly express our opinions on matters such as gun ownership.
I am a gun owner and a hunter so my opinion on them is very clear. I do support a more strict purchase policy and registration program.
I think one big difference in how guns are viewed is based on geography. People who were born in and/or live in more urban areas seem to have stronger opinions AGAINST. While folks in more rural areas have stronger opiniond FOR. One person earlier on this thread posted that they were a farmer and guns are a tool. This is an excellent post and reflective of the rural view.
FOR or AGAINST? The debate will go on but remember the US Constitition, which E Vedder mentions often (reference Camden 08) allows for the right to keep and bear arms.
so if guns get outlawed do you honestly think they will stop falling into the hands of criminals? of course not.
so where does that leave the law abiding citizen that wants to own one to protect himself & his family from the savage that will still have full access to these guns?
i think hand-guns should be banned.... but i dont have time to get into all the reasons right now (and yes, i know the reasons ppl quote for keeping them as well)...
I don't understand that at all. I don't own a gun at all, never will do and I like to think that I have all the freedom I want to do whatever I need and to live the way I wanna live.
And haven't they been used to oppress people unfairly as well. I'm sure they have. There have been wars which have been illegal or justified for imperialist reasons, and guns have been used as a part of that, I think...
Unless you are unfortunate enough to get caught in a crossfire...
I guess if someone is robbing your house, then defending yourself can be justified, but it also depends on the intentions of the gun owner themselves.
I agree with this.
Look, I respect your opinions. But it's easy to come up with obscure reasons why guns can be bad like getting caught in a police crossfire. I have to say that would be highly unlikely for most people since I don't see police shootouts anymore due to all the restrictions police have regarding rules of engagement. That's another reason we are not winning wars in the past 40 years or so, because government is restricting gun usage for police, military, and civilians. In my opinion, taking guns away from people who are law abiding citizens would mean a victory over a government trying to opress it's people.
a lot of people in this thread are saying they are against guns, but not many are listing reasons why.
it's one of those topics... either you are for it or against it. and i am not trying to start fights and fire people up, but what are YOUR exact reason for thinking guns should be outlawed?
if you have an opinion on the matter, you should be able to explain why.
a lot of people in this thread are saying they are against guns, but not many are listing reasons why.
it's one of those topics... either you are for it or against it. and i am not trying to start fights and fire people up, but what are YOUR exact reason for thinking guns should be outlawed?
if you have an opinion on the matter, you should be able to explain why.
I'm not for outlawing guns. But I am for tighter restrictions for gun ownership and more accountability when it comes to accidents with firearms. And it greatly irritates me when people bring up the second amendment and hide behind it as the end all, be all of the argument without discussing it intelligently and admitting that the situation does need to be looked at and fixed.
I'm not for outlawing guns. But I am for tighter restrictions for gun ownership and more accountability when it comes to accidents with firearms. And it greatly irritates me when people bring up the second amendment and hide behind it as the end all, be all of the argument without discussing it intelligently and admitting that the situation does need to be looked at and fixed.
agreed. i don't like when people hide behind the 2nd amendment either.
i don't own a gun, but i am all for people owning them. and it might be something i want to purchase in the future. if you are able to pass extensive background checks & the tighter restrictions, why should you not be able to own one?
i said earlier, if they are outlawed, you would be crazy not to believe that they would not continue to fall in criminal's hands. so where does that leave the law abiding citizen?
it's completely graphic and extreme, but one day i don't want to be duct taped to my bed post while i am watching my girlfriend/wife being raped by some fucking animal because i could not defend my home & family.
I hate guns, OK?
I don't think they should be owned, for any purpose whatsoever. They are just designed to maim, kill and hurt people so I would never own or even touch one if I didn't have to. Although I can understand people having them to protect themselves if someone breaks into your appartment or tries to attack them. If you choose to do something like that then it serves you right if you end up with a bullet in your ass is how I feel sometimes....
I still don't think guns should be owned or kept in households, especially if there are children living there as well.
Do you think it is a good idea to own a gun?
i own a 22 caliber rifle and 2 12 gauge shotguns. i also have 2 children. the rifle and shotguns all have trigger guards on them. they're locked away in a place only i know about. i also don't keep bullets or shells in the house. i puchase them when i go hunting, and whatever i don't use, i leave at the camp for the next time i'm there. neither one of my children have seen them. my oldest is 12 right now. when he turns 14, i'll take him to a range and teach him the proper way to handle them.
oh, and thanks for saying i'd deserve to get shot by someone that breaks into my home just because i have different beliefs than you. i appreciate it, and i'm sure my family would, too.
**edit**
just read through the rest of the thread and realized the OP didn't mean a gun owner deserves to get shot by someone breaking into their home. sorry, i read it wrong. but it appears others read it the same way i did. so i don't feel like a total dope about it.
My view on guns changes from time to time. I don't think you can lump them all together first of all.
Shotguns and hunting rifles - I in no way believe these should be banned. I don't think there is anything wrong with owning guns to hunt, whether for sport or food. Or if you live in rural areas and need them to protect your animals, etc. like previously mentioned.
Assault rifles - I think every single one should be banned. There is no reason any person anywhere should own an AK47. The only thing an assault rifle was designed to do is kill a person. That's it.
Handguns - Here is where I go back and forth. I don't like them. I wish they weren't necessary, but like many have posted, if you ban them then only criminals will have them. Also, I think it is too late to ban them anyway. They are everywhere. How would a ban work? Would the government came and collect them all? How would that go over? Not very well I imagine. If the US was going to ban handguns, it would have to have happened a long time ago. Same with assault rifles I guess. I personally don't like handguns, but I can also see the argument that a person should be allowed to keep one in the house for defense.
I don't own any guns. My father does (a hunting rifle and a couple of shotguns) so I imagine I will get them when he passes.
i dont think we should make laws based on a few irresponsible assholes doing stupid shit. i dont have a gun, but if i want one i want to be able to get it.
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Don't even get me started.
Fuckin' zombies man....
They are tools just like pitchforks and electric fences.
You can't yell "bad dog" at the coyotes when they are eating your cattle, sheep or chickens and if you've ever pulled a king snake out from under the seat of your truck while driving you'll wish you had a pistol.
And I don't even hunt and I use guns frequently.
I don't understand that at all. I don't own a gun at all, never will do and I like to think that I have all the freedom I want to do whatever I need and to live the way I wanna live.
And haven't they been used to oppress people unfairly as well. I'm sure they have. There have been wars which have been illegal or justified for imperialist reasons, and guns have been used as a part of that, I think...
Unless you are unfortunate enough to get caught in a crossfire...
I guess if someone is robbing your house, then defending yourself can be justified, but it also depends on the intentions of the gun owner themselves.
I agree with this.
I am a gun owner and a hunter so my opinion on them is very clear. I do support a more strict purchase policy and registration program.
I think one big difference in how guns are viewed is based on geography. People who were born in and/or live in more urban areas seem to have stronger opinions AGAINST. While folks in more rural areas have stronger opiniond FOR. One person earlier on this thread posted that they were a farmer and guns are a tool. This is an excellent post and reflective of the rural view.
FOR or AGAINST? The debate will go on but remember the US Constitition, which E Vedder mentions often (reference Camden 08) allows for the right to keep and bear arms.
so where does that leave the law abiding citizen that wants to own one to protect himself & his family from the savage that will still have full access to these guns?
Look, I respect your opinions. But it's easy to come up with obscure reasons why guns can be bad like getting caught in a police crossfire. I have to say that would be highly unlikely for most people since I don't see police shootouts anymore due to all the restrictions police have regarding rules of engagement. That's another reason we are not winning wars in the past 40 years or so, because government is restricting gun usage for police, military, and civilians. In my opinion, taking guns away from people who are law abiding citizens would mean a victory over a government trying to opress it's people.
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it's one of those topics... either you are for it or against it. and i am not trying to start fights and fire people up, but what are YOUR exact reason for thinking guns should be outlawed?
if you have an opinion on the matter, you should be able to explain why.
I'm not for outlawing guns. But I am for tighter restrictions for gun ownership and more accountability when it comes to accidents with firearms. And it greatly irritates me when people bring up the second amendment and hide behind it as the end all, be all of the argument without discussing it intelligently and admitting that the situation does need to be looked at and fixed.
agreed. i don't like when people hide behind the 2nd amendment either.
i don't own a gun, but i am all for people owning them. and it might be something i want to purchase in the future. if you are able to pass extensive background checks & the tighter restrictions, why should you not be able to own one?
i said earlier, if they are outlawed, you would be crazy not to believe that they would not continue to fall in criminal's hands. so where does that leave the law abiding citizen?
it's completely graphic and extreme, but one day i don't want to be duct taped to my bed post while i am watching my girlfriend/wife being raped by some fucking animal because i could not defend my home & family.
It pisses me off that you can't get into a fist fight nowadays without worrying about getting fucking shot. It sucks.
or sued.
i own a 22 caliber rifle and 2 12 gauge shotguns. i also have 2 children. the rifle and shotguns all have trigger guards on them. they're locked away in a place only i know about. i also don't keep bullets or shells in the house. i puchase them when i go hunting, and whatever i don't use, i leave at the camp for the next time i'm there. neither one of my children have seen them. my oldest is 12 right now. when he turns 14, i'll take him to a range and teach him the proper way to handle them.
oh, and thanks for saying i'd deserve to get shot by someone that breaks into my home just because i have different beliefs than you. i appreciate it, and i'm sure my family would, too.
**edit**
just read through the rest of the thread and realized the OP didn't mean a gun owner deserves to get shot by someone breaking into their home. sorry, i read it wrong. but it appears others read it the same way i did. so i don't feel like a total dope about it.
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Shotguns and hunting rifles - I in no way believe these should be banned. I don't think there is anything wrong with owning guns to hunt, whether for sport or food. Or if you live in rural areas and need them to protect your animals, etc. like previously mentioned.
Assault rifles - I think every single one should be banned. There is no reason any person anywhere should own an AK47. The only thing an assault rifle was designed to do is kill a person. That's it.
Handguns - Here is where I go back and forth. I don't like them. I wish they weren't necessary, but like many have posted, if you ban them then only criminals will have them. Also, I think it is too late to ban them anyway. They are everywhere. How would a ban work? Would the government came and collect them all? How would that go over? Not very well I imagine. If the US was going to ban handguns, it would have to have happened a long time ago. Same with assault rifles I guess. I personally don't like handguns, but I can also see the argument that a person should be allowed to keep one in the house for defense.
I don't own any guns. My father does (a hunting rifle and a couple of shotguns) so I imagine I will get them when he passes.
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