Am I the only person who likes the bad guy in no country for old men?

Black Diamond

catch22 wrote:

i don't think he was evil. he wasn't good either. he was just totally amoral. that's the impression i got. i feel like evil would take pleasure in the pain and violence, and i don't think he did so much. he was just like a force of nature, an animal. he had a job and he just kept moving forward, heedless of the price or consequences. it wasn't so much about evil being more powerful, just about how this world is chaotic and there are forces in it that go far above and beyond any good human intentions, or even evil human intentions. after all, he takes out the "bad guys" as mercilessly as the good.

A much better interpretation than mine. This was more the case.

Heineken Helen

Black Diamond wrote:

A much better interpretation than mine. This was more the case.

See... I saw him as like god and the devil in one body. Maybe like if the devil got a chance to play god for a while

I figured out what it is... he's simple! There's no game playing... he does what he does and that's it.. he also sticks to his word. Why can't all men be so bloody simple... without all the killing though there's no complications, no lies, no bullshit! Yep, that's it, that's what I like about him

I never realised such a simple character could be so complex to figure out

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Heineken Helen wrote:

catch22 has a great point about how he's A-moral

he has his morals... we just don't agree with them... but damn if he isn't a man to stick to his morals . Even though he'd promised Brolin's character he'd SPOILER kill his wife.. he still gave her a chance... to leave it up to chance. A couple of times during the film, the words 'you can't stop what's coming' were said... and I like that. Cos, good or bad, you can't stop it!

Petrocs, I agree about the final scene... thought it should/could have ended with the scene before that... but it didn't annoy me. It's definitely a film I'm going to have to watch again... and probably again!

D2D gets me

Yeah he is an evil guy in the sense of how he ruthlessly kills people... but you are right about the morals. In the book, once he gets the money, he gives it to the people who hired him to get it. He doesn't take it for himself and run off... he gives every last dollar back. He's just doing his job.

decides2dream

Heineken Helen wrote:

See... I saw him as like god and the devil in one body. Maybe like if the devil got a chance to play god for a while

I figured out what it is... he's simple! There's no game playing... he does what he does and that's it.. he also sticks to his word. Why can't all men be so bloody simple... without all the killing though there's no complications, no lies, no bullshit! Yep, that's it, that's what I like about him

I never realised such a simple character could be so complex to figure out

i don't think he's *difficult* to figure out....i think he's just sooo different from people that we simply cannot fathom behaving as such. leaving killing up to the flip of a coin, to chance, etc....although isn't life, and death, really like that......? that's really what he's all about to me. most definitely amoral, although he most certainly at one time anyway, made the choice to get into his line of work....but otherwise.....just follows along. and most truly simply things are the work of very complicated minds. beauty in simplicity.

Heineken Helen

Trailer wrote:

Yeah he is an evil guy in the sense of how he ruthlessly kills people... but you are right about the morals. In the book, once he gets the money, he gives it to the people who hired him to get it. He doesn't take it for himself and run off... he gives every last dollar back. He's just doing his job.

see... good guy!

In fairness, it wasn't Josh Brolin's to get away with... look at what he did in the beginning. Wouldn't give the guy water! He coulda saved him then and there.

And to the person who didn't like Woody in it :eek: I thought he was great but then I tend to think he's great in everything. I love when he told the guy there was a floor missing in the building and yer man goes 'we'll look into it'

Heineken Helen

decides2dream wrote:

i don't think he's *difficult* to figure out....i think he's just sooo different from people that we simply cannot fathom behaving as such. leaving killing up to the flip of a coin, to chance, etc....although isn't life, and death, really like that......? that's really what he's all about to me. most definitely amoral, although he most certainly at one time anyway, made the choice to get into his line of work....but otherwise.....just follows along. and most truly simply things are the work of very complicated minds. beauty in simplicity.

Not that HE'S difficult to figure out... but, considering how simple he is, I spent an awful long time trying to figure out what it was I liked about him... where as it was the simplicity all along

decides2dream

Heineken Helen wrote:

Not that HE'S difficult to figure out... but, considering how simple he is, I spent an awful long time trying to figure out what it was I liked about him... where as it was the simplicity all along

ahhhhhhhh...gotcha.
face it, you like pathological, psychotic, amoral, cold-hearted killers.



btw - i LIKE the ending, as is.

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gabers wrote:

IMO, the coolest bad guy ever.

I agree. He gets better with each viewing! Same thing can be said about the movie.

Heineken Helen

decides2dream wrote:

ahhhhhhhh...gotcha.
face it, you like pathological, psychotic, amoral, cold-hearted killers.



btw - i LIKE the ending, as is.

Yep... that's me!

Trailer... I actually can't wait to watch it again already!

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Heineken Helen wrote:

Yep... that's me!

Trailer... I actually can't wait to watch it again already!

hehe.... I put it on my ipod so I can watch it whenever I want.:cool:

Heineken Helen

Trailer wrote:

hehe.... I put it on my ipod so I can watch it whenever I want.:cool:

damn... times like this I wish I had an Ipod I'll just have to buy the dvd

pretext

Anyone who lugs around a cattle gun's got my vote.

sponger

"Do you have any idea how goddamn crazy you are?"

"You mean the nature of this conversation?"

"I mean the nature of you."

samick

petrocs wrote:

It was a great movie up to the ending with the stupid monologue by Tommy Lee Jones..but you're right he is a cool bad guy

that is what i thought..............I loved it up until the ending........to me the ending ruined the movie.............

beachdweller

Heineken Helen wrote:

So I finally got to see it last night! Brilliant brilliant film... and I really like the ending My boyfriend was telling me it would give me nightmares... but I liked the bad guy. Ya kinda expect him to redeem himself somehow and I like that he doesn't but i still think there's a good guy in there somewhere

Oscar liked him

The Juggler

please dont talk about this movie. i dont want any spoilers in here. gonna watch the movie tomorrow night. until then, please do not post about it in this thread. thanks.

LONGRD

Heineken Helen wrote:

So I finally got to see it last night! Brilliant brilliant film... and I really like the ending My boyfriend was telling me it would give me nightmares... but I liked the bad guy. Ya kinda expect him to redeem himself somehow and I like that he doesn't but i still think there's a good guy in there somewhere

No, you're not the only one, I love the performance. Sigur was well performed by Bardem, one of the best villian ever on screen.

But I doubt neither of us would like the character in person though...

LONGRD

The Jeagler wrote:

please dont talk about this movie. i dont want any spoilers in here. gonna watch the movie tomorrow night. until then, please do not post about it in this thread. thanks.

Be sure to watch it twice...or even three times to get the point of the flick

haffajappa

i see your point helen... sorta...

for lack of a more mature, philosophical and or deep thinking reply though, i ahve to say... i find javier bardem hot.... even though hes like 120 years older than me.

Heineken Helen

LongRd. wrote:

No, you're not the only one, I love the performance. Sigur was well performed by Bardem, one of the best villian ever on screen.

But I doubt neither of us would like the character in person though...

good point... although I have to say... some part of me wouldn't mind him hunting me down :eek: ok ok, I know I'm fucked up... but still