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  • NuclearTreeFrog
    NuclearTreeFrog Posts: 225
    Glad to hear Roger Clemens was named, he's a major league asshole. Maybe the media will stop sucking his dick now.
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  • Jwmcc
    Jwmcc Posts: 451
    While it's all a guessing game, it's been talked around the office here, how about this list of current players that would shock everyone if they're in this report since the speculation hasn't been there before:

    1.Jeter
    2.Rivera
    3.Schilling
    4.Ortiz
    5.Reyes

    Or in terms of retired players
    1.Ripken
    2.Gwynn
    3.Boggs
    4.Hershiser(sp)
    5.Cone
  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,928
    Jwmcc wrote:
    shock everyone

    Or in terms of retired players

    4.Hershiser(sp)
    in 1988 his playing weight was 122 lbs.
    in 1990 it was 123 lbs.

    You don't get that big withou a little help.
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  • intodeep
    intodeep Posts: 7,249
    Jwmcc wrote:
    While it's all a guessing game, it's been talked around the office here, how about this list of current players that would shock everyone if they're in this report since the speculation hasn't been there before:

    1.Jeter
    2.Rivera
    3.Schilling
    4.Ortiz
    5.Reyes

    Or in terms of retired players
    1.Ripken
    2.Gwynn
    3.Boggs
    4.Hershiser(sp)
    5.Cone

    I would not be surprised to see schill on the list. He is very competitive and i could see him trying to take any angle to get an advantage. Plus earlier in his career he had the injury bug. Steroids helps you heal faster i think.

    I hope ortiz is not on it becasue he is a likeable guy, but he did seem to become a stud overnight when he arrived in boston. His numbers with the twins were not indicative of what came after he moved to the AL.
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,928
    intodeep wrote:
    His numbers with the twins were not indicative of what came after he moved to the AL.
    The Twins are in the AL ;)
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  • JSBE
    JSBE Posts: 1,078
    Fighting Hellfish wrote:
    ...Now, has Mitchell also been taking care of his other conflict of interest, the Red Sox?

    please, do some research and see what george mitchell has done for the world (ie - northern ireland peace process, u.n. task force, etc). i'm pretty sure he's not going to let his working for the sox sway the contents of the report.
  • Jwmcc
    Jwmcc Posts: 451
    I was about to say, I just can't see Mitchell throw away over 40 years of public service to lead a coverup for Theo Epstein or Selig.
    Jw
  • intodeep
    intodeep Posts: 7,249
    Poncier wrote:
    The Twins are in the AL ;)
    lol so true my brain decided not to work to well earlier i guess.
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  • Ms. Haiku
    Ms. Haiku Washington DC Posts: 7,389
    So, what do we do with the names on the list. My main force of inspiration over the past 2 years is on there. I've never had such a force. He was All-Star in 2005 and 2007, do I just think it was the steroids. Does it matter how long he used them?

    As a fan what am I suppose to do with this? Are GMs salivating looking for the discounted players?
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  • intodeep
    intodeep Posts: 7,249
    Ms. Haiku wrote:
    So, what do we do with the names on the list. My main force of inspiration over the past 2 years is on there. I've never had such a force. He was All-Star in 2005 and 2007, do I just think it was the steroids. Does it matter how long he used them?

    As a fan what am I suppose to do with this? Are GMs salivating looking for the discounted players?

    some guys may have felt they had to take roids. Maybe all they've ever done is baseball and they felt everyone else was doing it and if they did not keep up with the jones's they would lose their job and perhaps it would be hard for them to find another.

    some guys just took it to come back from injury quicker.

    Not that either of these are right but when almost everyone else around you is doing it you might feel it is the norm and is expected of you in order to maintain a competitiveness.

    Again i don't think it is right what they did but i could see how some guys may have rationalized what they were doing. i'm not writing many of these people off as bad people but they made some poor decisions that they obviously felt they had to make at the time.
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  • intodeep
    intodeep Posts: 7,249
    Ms. Haiku wrote:
    So, what do we do with the names on the list. My main force of inspiration over the past 2 years is on there. I've never had such a force. He was All-Star in 2005 and 2007, do I just think it was the steroids. Does it matter how long he used them?

    As a fan what am I suppose to do with this? Are GMs salivating looking for the discounted players?

    "Former teammate Larry Bigbie said Brian Roberts admitted to injecting himself with steroids once or twice in 2003.

    Bigbie and Roberts lived together in admitted steroid user David Segui's house for a time, but Roberts never used then, according to Bigbie. It was only later that he tried steroids. Bigbie said he had never suspected Roberts until that admission."

    See i would not get too worked up over some of these guys. I mean maybe roberts just did it a few times and then his concious caught up to him and he decided never to do it again..... This report is a moslty a bunch of bullshit it seems.
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  • Fighting Hellfish
    Fighting Hellfish Posts: 3,175
    JSBE wrote:
    please, do some research and see what george mitchell has done for the world (ie - northern ireland peace process, u.n. task force, etc). i'm pretty sure he's not going to let his working for the sox sway the contents of the report.


    well no Sox (besides Gagne) in the report. Wow, what a shocker.
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Fighting Hellfish wrote:
    well no Sox (besides Gagne) in the report. Wow, what a shocker.

    Brendan Donnelly is still on the roster. And Mike Lansing, Mike Stanton, Steve Woodard and Chris Donnels were Red Sox as were obviously Mo Vaughn and Roger Clemens.

    And the Manny Alexander story of steroids in his car is listed in the actual report.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    only Ed Wade is dumb enough to trade half his prospects for a juicer about to be named in a massive probe


    what an idiot
  • Fighting Hellfish
    Fighting Hellfish Posts: 3,175
    Solat13 wrote:
    Brendan Donnelly is still on the roster. And Mike Lansing, Mike Stanton, Steve Woodard and Chris Donnels were Red Sox as were obviously Mo Vaughn and Roger Clemens.

    And the Manny Alexander story of steroids in his car is listed in the actual report.

    I meant from the least few years, not 10 years ago. This list was a joke. I, and many others, had been saying since the beginning that for the commissioner to hire his pal, who happens to be a director of a team, to head the investigation was a joke. 2 conflicts of interest. Today, we were proven right. Where is Mcgwire on this list? Sosa? Pudge? Juan Gonzalez? This whole thing is a sham
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Fighting Hellfish wrote:
    I meant from the least few years, not 10 years ago. This list was a joke. I, and many others, had been saying since the beginning that for the commissioner to hire his pal, who happens to be a director of a team, to head the investigation was a joke. 2 conflicts of interest. Today, we were proven right. Where is Mcgwire on this list? Sosa? Pudge? Juan Gonzalez? This whole thing is a sham

    I haven't read the whole report, but the story of Juan Gonzalez and his bags being found with steroids while on a road trip to Toronto is mentioned right after the Manny Alexander story.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • chromiam
    chromiam Posts: 4,114
    Fighting Hellfish wrote:
    I meant from the least few years, not 10 years ago. This list was a joke. I, and many others, had been saying since the beginning that for the commissioner to hire his pal, who happens to be a director of a team, to head the investigation was a joke. 2 conflicts of interest. Today, we were proven right. Where is Mcgwire on this list? Sosa? Pudge? Juan Gonzalez? This whole thing is a sham

    It's kinda hard to get any evidence when no current players will talk and no one of high importance can be forced to cooperate.
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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    chromiam wrote:
    It's kinda hard to get any evidence when no current players will talk and no one of high importance can be forced to cooperate.

    There are also other players mentioned in the report other than the ones that are being listed on website lists. Just scanning through I saw Manny Alexander and Paxton Crawford of the Red Sox, Ken Caminiti, Ricky Bones, Juan Gonzalez, Rafael Palmerio, Alex Cabrera.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Fighting Hellfish
    Fighting Hellfish Posts: 3,175
    I really can't stand Selig, and him positioning himself as Mr. Anti-steroids. This clown, and all of the owners, loved steroids, and what they did for the game. Steroids, in the form of the Mcgwire/Sosa HR chase, singlehandedly saved the game following the strike. Now all of a sudden he is holier than thou. What a disingenious, lying sack
  • Jwmcc
    Jwmcc Posts: 451
    well, he was a car salesman...

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