So, what do we do with the names on the list. My main force of inspiration over the past 2 years is on there. I've never had such a force. He was All-Star in 2005 and 2007, do I just think it was the steroids. Does it matter how long he used them?
As a fan what am I suppose to do with this? Are GMs salivating looking for the discounted players?
"Former teammate Larry Bigbie said Brian Roberts admitted to injecting himself with steroids once or twice in 2003.
Bigbie and Roberts lived together in admitted steroid user David Segui's house for a time, but Roberts never used then, according to Bigbie. It was only later that he tried steroids. Bigbie said he had never suspected Roberts until that admission."
See i would not get too worked up over some of these guys. I mean maybe roberts just did it a few times and then his concious caught up to him and he decided never to do it again..... This report is a moslty a bunch of bullshit it seems.
Charlotte 00 Charlotte 03 Asheville 04 Atlanta 12 Greenville 16, Columbia 16 Seattle 18 Nashville 22
please, do some research and see what george mitchell has done for the world (ie - northern ireland peace process, u.n. task force, etc). i'm pretty sure he's not going to let his working for the sox sway the contents of the report.
well no Sox (besides Gagne) in the report. Wow, what a shocker.
well no Sox (besides Gagne) in the report. Wow, what a shocker.
Brendan Donnelly is still on the roster. And Mike Lansing, Mike Stanton, Steve Woodard and Chris Donnels were Red Sox as were obviously Mo Vaughn and Roger Clemens.
And the Manny Alexander story of steroids in his car is listed in the actual report.
Brendan Donnelly is still on the roster. And Mike Lansing, Mike Stanton, Steve Woodard and Chris Donnels were Red Sox as were obviously Mo Vaughn and Roger Clemens.
And the Manny Alexander story of steroids in his car is listed in the actual report.
I meant from the least few years, not 10 years ago. This list was a joke. I, and many others, had been saying since the beginning that for the commissioner to hire his pal, who happens to be a director of a team, to head the investigation was a joke. 2 conflicts of interest. Today, we were proven right. Where is Mcgwire on this list? Sosa? Pudge? Juan Gonzalez? This whole thing is a sham
I meant from the least few years, not 10 years ago. This list was a joke. I, and many others, had been saying since the beginning that for the commissioner to hire his pal, who happens to be a director of a team, to head the investigation was a joke. 2 conflicts of interest. Today, we were proven right. Where is Mcgwire on this list? Sosa? Pudge? Juan Gonzalez? This whole thing is a sham
I haven't read the whole report, but the story of Juan Gonzalez and his bags being found with steroids while on a road trip to Toronto is mentioned right after the Manny Alexander story.
I meant from the least few years, not 10 years ago. This list was a joke. I, and many others, had been saying since the beginning that for the commissioner to hire his pal, who happens to be a director of a team, to head the investigation was a joke. 2 conflicts of interest. Today, we were proven right. Where is Mcgwire on this list? Sosa? Pudge? Juan Gonzalez? This whole thing is a sham
It's kinda hard to get any evidence when no current players will talk and no one of high importance can be forced to cooperate.
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It's kinda hard to get any evidence when no current players will talk and no one of high importance can be forced to cooperate.
There are also other players mentioned in the report other than the ones that are being listed on website lists. Just scanning through I saw Manny Alexander and Paxton Crawford of the Red Sox, Ken Caminiti, Ricky Bones, Juan Gonzalez, Rafael Palmerio, Alex Cabrera.
I really can't stand Selig, and him positioning himself as Mr. Anti-steroids. This clown, and all of the owners, loved steroids, and what they did for the game. Steroids, in the form of the Mcgwire/Sosa HR chase, singlehandedly saved the game following the strike. Now all of a sudden he is holier than thou. What a disingenious, lying sack
listening to Michael Kay. He is saying that Steve Phillips is reporting there will soon be a denial from Clemens and/or Pettitte
Deny deny deny.
I read an article about Dennis Rodman. He got caught with another woman in bed by Carmen Electra. Carman asked who she was...as she was sitting right next to him. Dennis responded with "What woman? I don't see a woman."
I read an article about Dennis Rodman. He got caught with another woman in bed by Carmen Electra. Carman asked who she was...as she was sitting right next to him. Dennis responded with "What woman? I don't see a woman."
In Clemens case there is no proverbial "Woman sitting right next to him" There is no evidence against him, just the word of McNamee. This is a he said/he said case.
The Mitchell report, although it accomplished what it set out to (detecting use of steroids in MLB), is based on hearsay and statements from drug dealers.
The report contains interviews of three camps. BALCO, Brian McNamee and Kirk Radomski. McNamee was a conditioning trainer for the New York Yankees for about a year. Radomski a trainer(not positive on his official position) for the New York Mets.
The fact that these three parties were the parties interviewed by George Mitchell is the reason that only certain names appear on the list.
The list consists of <1% of the players in baseball. An estimated 7% of players took performance enhancing drugs. Basically, by focusing on three people/places of interest, the list is severely skewed in certain directions, mainly New York.
The report also states that people that are active in every one of the 30 MLB teams has at one time been involved in the use of performance enhancing drugs.
Remember, the people interviewed in this investigation were former trainers of the Mets and Yankees.
That being said. George Mitchell is/was a top director in the Boston Red Sox organization. No one from Boston was officially interviewed in this investigation.
I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but hell, this guy works for the Red Sox and only names New York trainers in the investigation. It's shady at best.
Back to the hearsay part. That's exactly what all of this is. It's all hearsay from people who are facing federal drug charges and time in federal prison. Of course they may be telling the truth, and one cannot just proclaim the statements as lies, but remember, for their "cooperation" the charges against them have been or will be reduced.
Abraham Lincoln once said, "If you are a racist, I will attack you with the North."
I totally agree with you about the report being skewed. I'm sure there are many more dealers who were able to avoid being interrogated and therefore their clients weren't named.
I don't understand why people think Mitchell would be biased though. This man has been part of our government for years and has been trusted with numerous highly classified documents. It's foolish to think that he could handle that but compromise his job and reputation for the sake of a game.
Yea, I take back my comment that he skewed the report to NY on purpose, but it is a little odd that it's only NY trainers involved and Mitchell comes from Boston. The reason I mention it is because a lot of the Red Sox fans on the forums are blasting out against Yankee players yet no one from Boston was even brought in to be interviewed in this report.
Abraham Lincoln once said, "If you are a racist, I will attack you with the North."
The credibility of this list just took yet another hit. Guillermo Mota, who failed a steroid test and served a 50 game suspension, is not mentioned in the 409 page report
The credibility of this list just took yet another hit. Guillermo Mota, who failed a steroid test and served a 50 game suspension, is not mentioned in the 409 page report
Milwaukee Brewers. Guess where Bud Selig is from?
Abraham Lincoln once said, "If you are a racist, I will attack you with the North."
I was just looking into McNamee. Clemens fired him in May 2007. I haven't read the entire report yet. I wonder if it mentions that the guy who says he injected Clemens may have had a grudge against him for being fired. I also have to wonder if he was fired because he talked to Mitchell. Does it say in the report when McNamee talked to Mitchell?
I was just looking into McNamee. Clemens fired him in May 2007. I haven't read the entire report yet. I wonder if it mentions that the guy who says he injected Clemens may have had a grudge against him for being fired. I also have to wonder if he was fired because he talked to Mitchell. Does it say in the report when McNamee talked to Mitchell?
Six players are named based on information obtained from persons other
than Radomski or former major league strength and conditioning coach Brian McNamee. In
each case, these allegations are supported by one or more of the following: (a) checks; (b) prior
consistent statements; (c) a statement made about a player’s use where the witness was a friend
of the player identified and under circumstances in which the witness faced criminal exposure for
making a false statement; (d) statements reporting a witness’s direct observation of the player
using a performance enhancing substance; (e) the player’s own admission of his use.
3. Brian McNamee said that he was a direct eyewitness and participant in
alleged illegal use by three players who he served as a personal trainer. I interviewed him three
times (in July, October, and December 2007), once in person and twice by telephone.11 His
personal lawyer participated in each interview. Federal law enforcement officials and members
of my staff participated with me in all of the interviews. No one from the Commissioner’s
Office, any club, or the Players Association participated in these interviews.
EDIT: If you goto ESPN.com you can get a .pdf version of the entire document. I've been reading it off and on since I downloaded it, searching through names etc.
Abraham Lincoln once said, "If you are a racist, I will attack you with the North."
Brian McNamee, the man who says he injected Roger Clemens and Andy pettitte
In the 1990s, Brian McNamee, an ex-NYPD cop, worked his way up from bullpen catcher to strength coach with the Blue Jays, where he worked with Clemens. He went to the Yankees when Clemens did, and by 2001, he was "Roger Clemens' guy," the pitcher's de facto trainer and on the team payroll. But on an October night in St. Petersburg, after a game with the Devil Rays, McNamee was found naked in a hotel pool, having sex with a woman rendered nearly comatose by the date rape drug GHB. Had security not dialed 911, the woman could well have died. Cops began a rape probe, and records show that McNamee lied repeatedly during his initial interview, even denying that he knew a team staffer who was also at the scene. But there were holes in the woman's story too; she failed to say that she came to the hotel to have sex with a third Yankee employee she'd been seeing. McNamee wasn't charged, but the Yankees quietly let him go.
I'm also hearing that there was pressure put on him by investigators. (feds, not Mitchell's) he had some other run in with the law, and it came down to: give us some names, or go to jail
I am not sure if this has been mentioned but it was the first thing that came to my mind after seeing Tejada on the report.
Perhaps Palmero was telling the truth??? I really wanted to believe him when he went in front of congress. It seemed so weird that shortly there after he tested positive. He then claimed that Tejada gave him a shot of vitamin B.
Perhaps the guys in the club house did not like his firm stance of him never using steriods. Perhaps we will hear from Palmero now. He's not the list that came out but Tejada is. I would not be surprised it Palmero was telling the truth all along.
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"Former teammate Larry Bigbie said Brian Roberts admitted to injecting himself with steroids once or twice in 2003.
Bigbie and Roberts lived together in admitted steroid user David Segui's house for a time, but Roberts never used then, according to Bigbie. It was only later that he tried steroids. Bigbie said he had never suspected Roberts until that admission."
See i would not get too worked up over some of these guys. I mean maybe roberts just did it a few times and then his concious caught up to him and he decided never to do it again..... This report is a moslty a bunch of bullshit it seems.
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Greenville 16, Columbia 16
Seattle 18
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well no Sox (besides Gagne) in the report. Wow, what a shocker.
Brendan Donnelly is still on the roster. And Mike Lansing, Mike Stanton, Steve Woodard and Chris Donnels were Red Sox as were obviously Mo Vaughn and Roger Clemens.
And the Manny Alexander story of steroids in his car is listed in the actual report.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
what an idiot
I meant from the least few years, not 10 years ago. This list was a joke. I, and many others, had been saying since the beginning that for the commissioner to hire his pal, who happens to be a director of a team, to head the investigation was a joke. 2 conflicts of interest. Today, we were proven right. Where is Mcgwire on this list? Sosa? Pudge? Juan Gonzalez? This whole thing is a sham
I haven't read the whole report, but the story of Juan Gonzalez and his bags being found with steroids while on a road trip to Toronto is mentioned right after the Manny Alexander story.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
It's kinda hard to get any evidence when no current players will talk and no one of high importance can be forced to cooperate.
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There are also other players mentioned in the report other than the ones that are being listed on website lists. Just scanning through I saw Manny Alexander and Paxton Crawford of the Red Sox, Ken Caminiti, Ricky Bones, Juan Gonzalez, Rafael Palmerio, Alex Cabrera.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
Deny deny deny.
I read an article about Dennis Rodman. He got caught with another woman in bed by Carmen Electra. Carman asked who she was...as she was sitting right next to him. Dennis responded with "What woman? I don't see a woman."
In Clemens case there is no proverbial "Woman sitting right next to him" There is no evidence against him, just the word of McNamee. This is a he said/he said case.
The report contains interviews of three camps. BALCO, Brian McNamee and Kirk Radomski. McNamee was a conditioning trainer for the New York Yankees for about a year. Radomski a trainer(not positive on his official position) for the New York Mets.
The fact that these three parties were the parties interviewed by George Mitchell is the reason that only certain names appear on the list.
The list consists of <1% of the players in baseball. An estimated 7% of players took performance enhancing drugs. Basically, by focusing on three people/places of interest, the list is severely skewed in certain directions, mainly New York.
The report also states that people that are active in every one of the 30 MLB teams has at one time been involved in the use of performance enhancing drugs.
Remember, the people interviewed in this investigation were former trainers of the Mets and Yankees.
That being said. George Mitchell is/was a top director in the Boston Red Sox organization. No one from Boston was officially interviewed in this investigation.
I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but hell, this guy works for the Red Sox and only names New York trainers in the investigation. It's shady at best.
Back to the hearsay part. That's exactly what all of this is. It's all hearsay from people who are facing federal drug charges and time in federal prison. Of course they may be telling the truth, and one cannot just proclaim the statements as lies, but remember, for their "cooperation" the charges against them have been or will be reduced.
I don't understand why people think Mitchell would be biased though. This man has been part of our government for years and has been trusted with numerous highly classified documents. It's foolish to think that he could handle that but compromise his job and reputation for the sake of a game.
Milwaukee Brewers. Guess where Bud Selig is from?
Exactly why the list is messed up. Palmeiro was mentioned in the report. Yet his name didn't appear on "the list".
Six players are named based on information obtained from persons other
than Radomski or former major league strength and conditioning coach Brian McNamee. In
each case, these allegations are supported by one or more of the following: (a) checks; (b) prior
consistent statements; (c) a statement made about a player’s use where the witness was a friend
of the player identified and under circumstances in which the witness faced criminal exposure for
making a false statement; (d) statements reporting a witness’s direct observation of the player
using a performance enhancing substance; (e) the player’s own admission of his use.
3. Brian McNamee said that he was a direct eyewitness and participant in
alleged illegal use by three players who he served as a personal trainer. I interviewed him three
times (in July, October, and December 2007), once in person and twice by telephone.11 His
personal lawyer participated in each interview. Federal law enforcement officials and members
of my staff participated with me in all of the interviews. No one from the Commissioner’s
Office, any club, or the Players Association participated in these interviews.
EDIT: If you goto ESPN.com you can get a .pdf version of the entire document. I've been reading it off and on since I downloaded it, searching through names etc.
In the 1990s, Brian McNamee, an ex-NYPD cop, worked his way up from bullpen catcher to strength coach with the Blue Jays, where he worked with Clemens. He went to the Yankees when Clemens did, and by 2001, he was "Roger Clemens' guy," the pitcher's de facto trainer and on the team payroll. But on an October night in St. Petersburg, after a game with the Devil Rays, McNamee was found naked in a hotel pool, having sex with a woman rendered nearly comatose by the date rape drug GHB. Had security not dialed 911, the woman could well have died. Cops began a rape probe, and records show that McNamee lied repeatedly during his initial interview, even denying that he knew a team staffer who was also at the scene. But there were holes in the woman's story too; she failed to say that she came to the hotel to have sex with a third Yankee employee she'd been seeing. McNamee wasn't charged, but the Yankees quietly let him go.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2866221
I'm also hearing that there was pressure put on him by investigators. (feds, not Mitchell's) he had some other run in with the law, and it came down to: give us some names, or go to jail
Perhaps Palmero was telling the truth??? I really wanted to believe him when he went in front of congress. It seemed so weird that shortly there after he tested positive. He then claimed that Tejada gave him a shot of vitamin B.
Perhaps the guys in the club house did not like his firm stance of him never using steriods. Perhaps we will hear from Palmero now. He's not the list that came out but Tejada is. I would not be surprised it Palmero was telling the truth all along.