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So, now that the Super Bowl is over, lets try this one more time....

smg9779smg9779 Posts: 235
edited February 2008 in All Encompassing Trip
Who is the best nfl quarterback of all time?

I'll go first.

Joe Montana
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  • restlesssoulrestlesssoul Posts: 6,951
    ray finkel
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  • chinobaezachinobaeza Posts: 2,489
    quarter back

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  • intodeepintodeep Posts: 7,228
    Dan Marino.

    I think he did the most with the least.

    FYI i'm a jets fan and i hate his guts but respect what he did.
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  • aspoonfulweighsatonaspoonfulweighsaton Posts: 2,036
    Dan Marino.

    The whole Super Bowl thing is overrated when determining this because winning the Super Bowl is a team effort and guys like Montana, Brady, Bradshaw, Aikman, Manning, Young, Elway, etc. all had great teams around them.

    Marino hardly had anyone "great" his entire career, or even a running back for that matter.

    So speaking solely on quarterback talent it's Marino.
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
    restlesssoul wrote:
    ray finkel


    Soccer style kicker.....

    intodeep wrote:
    Dan Marino.

    I think he did the most with the least.

    FYI i'm a jets fan and i hate his guts but respect what he did.

    I've always been a huge Dan Marino fan. He gets a bum rap sometimes because of not winning the Super Bowl and that is warranted....I've seen him come up short in the playoffs on a more than a few occasions. however, those early 90's Dolphins had NOTHING except him and were still somehow successful. If not for Buffalo's dominance in the AFC, they could have been something.

    favorite Dan memory: he was injured in 1993 with a torn achilles right when the team looked ready to finally make a move on the Bills. He missed like the last 11 games of the season and it was way up in the air about how he'd perform the next season coming off the injury. first game of the 1994 season? 473 yards and 5 TDs.... out-gunning Bledsoe and the Pats to a 39-35 victory. still the greatest regular season game I've ever watched. It was awesome.
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  • mookie9999mookie9999 Posts: 4,677
    aspoonfulweighsaton wrote:
    Dan Marino.

    The whole Super Bowl thing is overrated when determining this because winning the Super Bowl is a team effort and guys like Montana, Brady, Bradshaw, Aikman, Manning, Young, Elway, etc. all had great teams around them.

    Marino hardly had anyone "great" his entire career, or even a running back for that matter.

    So speaking solely on quarterback talent it's Marino.

    Joe Montana for me. As to Marino not having anyone, he had Duper, Clayton, and Tony Nathan on offense and still got smoked in the Super Bowl. But for most of his career he had a fairly weak offense and was quite a player.
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,925
    Still Joe Montana.
    Brady would have moved right into the neighborhood had Tyree not made that catch Sunday, but for now Joe lives alone atop the hill.
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  • HailHailVitalogyHailHailVitalogy Posts: 5,198
    Eli Manning :D

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  • Stone Is GodStone Is God Posts: 1,331
    mookie9999 wrote:
    Joe Montana for me. As to Marino not having anyone, he had Duper, Clayton, and Tony Nathan on offense and still got smoked in the Super Bowl. But for most of his career he had a fairly weak offense and was quite a player.

    It was a shame for him that he just happened to run into, in my opinion, the best single season team of all time. I love Marino and I'm a huge Dolphins fan but they had no shot in that Super Bowl looking at it in hind sight.

    That 1984 49ers team lost 1 game by 3 points and steam rolled teams in the playoffs. Total domination. I hated the 49ers for the longest time for that game.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
    Stone Is God wrote:
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    That 1984 49ers team lost 1 game by 3 points and steam rolled teams in the playoffs. Total domination. I hated the 49ers for the longest time for that game.


    yeah I was arguing with people up to the game on Sunday that if the Pats went 19-0, they still wouldn't have been as good as this 49ers team. not only were they dominate all season, they defeated a great Dolphins team in the Super Bowl. In fact I'd put the '84 Dolphins against the '07 Pats any day of the week.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    Johnny Unitas.....called his own plays, had to work a job during the regular season....let Joe try that. Lead his team to the 1958 NFL Championship and eventually a Super Bowl win in 1970!!!!

    Bart Starr would be second based on class....and the fact that he has more NFL Championship rings than Joe.

    Terry Bradshaw has the same number of Super Bowl wins as Montana
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  • senninsennin Posts: 2,146
    Dan McGuire!
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,925
    tybird wrote:

    Terry Bradshaw has the same number of Super Bowl wins as Montana
    Yeah, but Terry's career numbers are quite pedestrian, about 50% completion and almost equal TD to Int ratio.
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  • Stone Is GodStone Is God Posts: 1,331
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    yeah I was arguing with people up to the game on Sunday that if the Pats went 19-0, they still wouldn't have been as good as this 49ers team. not only were they dominate all season, they defeated a great Dolphins team in the Super Bowl. In fact I'd put the '84 Dolphins against the '07 Pats any day of the week.

    They steamrolled my Dolphins. They were a 14-2 team that year that killed teams in the playoffs. They were the Pats offense before the Pats offense was the Pats offense.

    Seeing the Dolphins lose that game and then get upset the next year against the Pats in the AFC title game was damaging to me as a 8-9 year old. I still, to this day, believe the Dolphins would have given the Bears a game in that Super Bowl.
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  • Stone Is GodStone Is God Posts: 1,331
    Poncier wrote:
    Yeah, but Terry's career numbers are quite pedestrian, about 50% completion and almost equal TD to Int ratio.

    He was also supported by the best defense of all time.
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  • Its Evolution BabyIts Evolution Baby Posts: 849
    Joe is the best by far. His team was not as good as Marino's Dolphins when they met in the Super Bowl but the Niners still crushed them. Jerry Rice did not join until 1985 and Joe had already won 2 Super Bowl MVPS.

    How can anyone say that Marino is better then Joe when they met head to head in the Super Bowl and Joe won the MVP.

    Also someone said Johnny U and Bart Starr are comparable based on the championships won. I don't think its fair to judge them because the league was different before the Super Bowl. I would say that these guys are the best Old Era QB's and Joe is the best New Era QB.

    Brady having lost the Super Bowl is out of the debate imo.
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    Eli. Hands down, without question. Greatest ever.

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  • Stone Is GodStone Is God Posts: 1,331
    Its Evolution Baby wrote:
    Joe is the best by far. His team was not as good as Marino's Dolphins when they met in the Super Bowl but the Niners still crushed them. Jerry Rice did not join until 1985 and Joe had already won 2 Super Bowl MVPS.

    That's a joke right. That 84 49ers team is consider AT THE LEAST a top 5 team of all time. They were 18-1 and had more Hall of Famers then the Dolphins had on their team.

    They were 2nd in offense and 1st in defense as far as scoring goes. The point differential was more points than they acutally gave up. 3rd in takeawways.

    Outscored playoff opposition 82-26. That's 27-8 per game. Unreal.
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  • Its Evolution BabyIts Evolution Baby Posts: 849
    Stone Is God wrote:
    That's a joke right. That 84 49ers team is consider AT THE LEAST a top 5 team of all time. They were 18-1 and had more Hall of Famers then the Dolphins had on their team.

    They were 2nd in offense and 1st in defense as far as scoring goes. The point differential was more points than they acutally gave up. 3rd in takeawways.

    Outscored playoff opposition 82-26. That's 27-8 per game. Unreal.

    Yes they were a top 5 team of all time AFTER that game. Before the game all the build up was for Dan Marino and the record setting offense.

    I agree it was not a huge upset but at the time a lot of people thought he Dolphins would roll the 49ers.
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  • reversedarwinismreversedarwinism Posts: 1,151
    I automatically say Montana and Marino when I hear this question. I remember the 88 & 89 49ers. Those years convinced me it was Montana as a kid.

    Now I'd say Peyton and Brady are to that level. They're that good.

    My favorite is Aikman, he was damn good, but we did always have Emmitt too. Farve and Young were good too.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    tybird wrote:

    Terry Bradshaw has the same number of Super Bowl wins as Montana

    Bradshaw called his own plays as well and was one of the last qbs to do so.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    I would take Peyton over Montana.....hell, I would take Aikman over Montana and Young. Montana and Young were products of a system. If they are such great QB's, explain Kansas City and Tampa Bay.
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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Its Evolution Baby wrote:

    Brady having lost the Super Bowl is out of the debate imo.

    I don't agree with that at all. Brady is most likely going to retire with the most post season wins and highest post season winning percentage in history.

    He's 14-3 right now.

    Montana was 16-7
    Favre 12-10
    Peyton 7-7
    Elway 14-8
    Marino 8-10
    Bradshaw 14-5
    Aikman 11-5

    I'm not saying Brady is the greatest, but to leave him out of the competition when he didn't lose the game - completing 60% of your passes with no picks is not really a bad game - is a little ridiculous.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    Solat13 wrote:
    I don't agree with that at all. Brady is most likely going to retire with the most post season wins and highest post season winning percentage in history.

    He's 14-3 right now.

    Montana was 16-7
    Favre 12-10
    Peyton 7-7
    Elway 14-8
    Marino 8-10
    Bradshaw 14-5
    Aikman 11-5

    I'm not saying Brady is the greatest, but to leave him out of the competition when he didn't lost a game - completing 60% of your passes with no picks is not really a bad game - is a little ridiculous.
    Great point.....it's not held against either Elway's or Favre's record that they came up short in a Super Bowl (or three.)

    If I had to pick a QB to win one game.....I would consider Elway, Favre or Brady very high on the list.
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  • smg9779smg9779 Posts: 235
    tybird wrote:
    I would take Peyton over Montana.....hell, I would take Aikman over Montana and Young. Montana and Young were products of a system. If they are such great QB's, explain Kansas City and Tampa Bay.

    You don't think having the game's all time leading rusher had anything to do with Aikman's success?
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  • reversedarwinismreversedarwinism Posts: 1,151
    smg9779 wrote:
    You don't think having the game's all time leading rusher had anything to do with Aikman's success?

    I watched all his games, pretty much. He was better than farve and young. We had Emmitt and none of the others have anything close. I wonder how Aikman would have done in a different system.

    Farve was mentioned. He is a great football player, no doubt. But I've seen him ruin the game for his team way too many times. Of course, I've seen him play Dallas more than anybody else ;)
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    smg9779 wrote:
    You don't think having the game's all time leading rusher had anything to do with Aikman's success?
    Maybe a little bit??? ;)
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  • gabersgabers Posts: 2,787
    I'll go with Joe Montana followed very closely by Tom Brady. Those 80's 49'ers teams were the greatest, in my opinion, and he was the top reason why. Mr. Clutch personified.
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