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Cree Nations

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

Canucks-Oilers tonght....the debut of Souray.....I think it is available through center-ice on-line.....

WHen I git to Edmonton tonight, I have to find this!! I havent seen a game yet cause they are not available...just radio.

kenshunt

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

27 Dustin Penner - 89 Sam Gagner - 83 Ales Hemsky
18 Ethan Moreau - 42 Jonas Almtorp - 51 Kyle Brodziak
8 Geoff Sanderson - 13 Andrew Cogliano - 28 Patrick Thoresen
22 Jean-Francois Jacques - 48 Ben Simon - 46 Zack Stortini

44 Sheldon Souray - 77 Tom Gilbert
73 T.J. Kemp - 36 Mathieu Roy
5 Ladislav Smid - 2 Matt Greene

32 Mathieu Garon (starting goaltender)
38 Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers


Tonights line-up expect JDD to play half the game....

I love the fact that some of the Oilers prospects went through my city, Sam Gagner and Robbie Shremp, Dany Sevret, i just wish one of them would crack the Oilers lineup once lol.

Hawkshore

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

Canucks-Oilers tonght....the debut of Souray.....I think it is available through center-ice on-line.....

I'll be there to witness this first hand......based on what I have heard of our line up tonight I think you Oil fans will be happy with the result....apparently the plan is for the Canucks most experienced D man to be dressed is Lukas Krajicek, combined with Loungo and Schneider playing last night in goal so doubtful to play tonight...Anyways I'm just pumped to be going back and seeing hockey first hand

RockinInCanada

Hawkshore wrote:

I'll be there to witness this first hand......based on what I have heard of our line up tonight I think you Oil fans will be happy with the result....apparently the plan is for the Canucks most experienced D man to be dressed is Lukas Krajicek, combined with Loungo and Schneider playing last night in goal so doubtful to play tonight...Anyways I'm just pumped to be going back and seeing hockey first hand

I have to say our line-up is the weakest yet this pre-season...but I am stoked to see Gagner and Cogliano dressing up tonight....fucking love these guys....it will be a good game....you will have to give your analysis after the game....I trust your opinion as you don't seem to be a disillusioned homer like the Leafs announcers for example.....or most Flames fans

RockinInCanada

Well we took a lose last night due to a last second goal....hi-lights:

- Souray is money and barring him killing someone he is going to be the most feared shot in the western conference....still has rust but he has only skated twice before the game and has not played since April and just came off shoulder surgery. To quote Penner on Souray:...."Hardest shot I have ever seen in the league, although I never really saw it, I just heard it"....."on the PP when I am in front of the net I will pray I do not get hit in the face".

- Brodziak.....just solidifed his spot along-side Moreau/Reasoner....looking great....keep it up....

- Cogliano - is so fast and I am thinking he may make the team....this kid has a tonne of potential....looks small but is acually a pretty big guy......

- Gilbert - Needs to get into the line-up on D....but it is tough given we have six guys ahead of him.....they need to move someone to get him in the line-up full time.....

- Truhkno - Loving this kid....as much as I love saying his name....I would like to see against the last RW postion over Pouliot (aka Pull-It)

Low-lights:

- Gagner - his weakest effort yet....HOWEVER he still has time to prove himself worthy of the inital nine games of the season.....

- Thoreson - love the heart my Norweigian friend but it takes more than heart to crack the line-up....will be returning to Springfield soon I hope....

The fourth line of Jacques/Stortini/?????? (some Ben guy I have never heard of)...awful line none of these guys will make the team...flying Stortini is just not the right man......

So my re-vamped lines are this:

Penner/Horcoff/Hemsky
Torres/Stoll/Nillson
Moreau/Reasoner/Brodizak
Sanderson/Cogliano/Truhkno

D-man consists of Souray/Smid/Steady Steve/Tarnstrom/Greene (although Gilbert deserves his spot IMHO but we need a hard-nose guy back there so that may give him the spot by default)/Pitkanen...Gilbert as a 7th man....Also expect Roy (maybe even Grebs but I doubt it) to be traded for some picks as the on-way contract makes them heading down to the AHL tough as they would have to clear waivers...

Overall a sub-par performance but with only five regulars in the line-up and a fourth line of bruisers what can you expect.....

RockinInCanada

Well its only the pre-season and we beat the Flames and it still feels fucking great.....5-4 win with Cogliano with the OT winner....people we have so many prospects right now it really is absurd......Cogliano/Schremp/Gagner/Brodziak/Trukhno all of whom could see duty this year and we have 9 d-men who are NHL ready....I have been saying before the pre-season who are VASTLY under-rated......some tough decisions for MacT in the next week.....which is such a good thing.....and to think our two best players were not even playing last night.....

kenshunt

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

Well its only the pre-season and we beat the Flames and it still feels fucking great.....5-4 win with with the OT winner....people we have so many prospects right now it really is absurd......Cogliano/Schremp/Gagner/Brodziak/Trukhno all of whom could see duty this year and we have 9 d-men who are NHL ready....I have been saying before the pre-season who are VASTLY under-rated......some tough decisions for MacT in the next week.....which is such a good thing.....and to think our two best players were not even playing last night.....

Cogliano looked good on the highlights how fast is that guy, i saw him on the juniors where he had flashes of brillance.

RockinInCanada

kenshunt wrote:

Cogliano looked good on the highlights how fast is that guy, i saw him on the juniors where he had flashes of brillance.

He has been nothing short of brilliant in camp/pre-season....so freaking fast and with great hands....I guess a very smart player too....MacT said he has been so quick to learn the systems and is very impressed by that.....

RockinInCanada

Cogliano sets Saddledome on fire
Rookie ties game and pots overtime winner

CALGARY - The writing has been on the locker-room wall since training camp opened.

Still, Oilers centre Shawn Horcoff has done his damndest to carry on with his warm-up to the regular season.

When he has looked at the pairings board and seen Dustin Penner-Sam Gagner-Ales Hemsky scribbled in on the first line, he has told himself that the move makes sense. He can see that Gagner is the future of the franchise and understands that the young star needs to showcase his game.

Horcoff has also told himself it is early, that things could change between now and Oct. 4. In the meantime, he has been zeroing in on his game, no matter who he is playing with, just as he did Saturday in the Oilers' 5-4 overtime win against the Flames in Calgary.

Horcoff skated with Ethan Moreau and Kyle Brodziak in his second outing of the pre-season, and 13 minutes into the second period he put away his second goal, a short-handed marker that was set up by Robert Nilsson.

"I view myself as a player who can give more than third-line-centre minutes, but I understand the situation," said Horcoff, who now has two goals and a pair of

assists. "And it's early in camp. I've proven what I can do in that spot. I know I'm ready this year.

"We'll just have to see. At this point I'm just getting myself ready to start the season. That's all you can really do at this point."

When Penner came to the Oilers from Anaheim, it was assumed that Horcoff would play on the top line, just as he has for most of last two seasons, and centre the new winger. But given the free fall that saw the Oilers finish 25th, changes were imminent.

Securing Penner was a start.

The next step is rolling the dice on a youngster like Gagner or Andrew Cogliano, who upped his stock again when he zipped up ice and put away his own rebound to tie the game 3-3.

He then put away the winner in the dying seconds of the overtime period.

"What we're talking about is five-on-five ice for (Horcoff)," head coach Craig MacTavish said. "Maybe his role will be more important, more impactful for us if he is playing on a second or third line.

"The minutes will be there ... but maybe at the start of the game his name isn't with Hemsky and with Penner.

"We need a dynamic scorer, and Horc, for all his strengths, is not a 100-point guy, so we're going to entertain thoughts of looking at somebody else, at times, five-on-five."

That somebody will be Gagner or Cogliano, but just to make sure he didn't take himself out of the mix, Rob Schremp put in his best performance against the Flames. Either way, Horcoff will be on the first power-play unit and he will kill penalties. And he will skate with Hemsky and Penner in Phoenix on Tuesday.

"He's a good kid, he has lots of skill, and he's obviously the future of the franchise," Horcoff said of Gagner. "With a young kid like that, you have to play him with skilled players and you have to see what he can do.

"I see myself as a top six forward, and in order to produce, you have to play with guys who are offensive-minded players. Having said that, I have pretty much played in every situation and in every role. It's not like I'm not going to be comfortable. It's going to be interesting.

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"But right now, I'm just getting myself prepared and ready."

If Cogliano or Gagner did make the grade, Horcoff could end up skating with Moreau and Brodziak. Marty Reasoner would play on the fourth and Jarret Stoll would stay with Raffi Torres and Robert Nilsson.

That trio was out again in Calgary and kicked off the scoring for Edmonton.


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Font: ****"Ideally, what we'd like to have happen is for one of those young guys to step up and really play well in that position," MacTavish said. "Then whether it's Horc on the second line or Stoll ... those two are going to get 20-plus minutes a game. You just need a guy (on the first line) who is going to be at least a 90-point guy."

OIL DROPS -- Defenceman Denis Grebeshkov had a solid night's work. He was moving the puck and was plus-three by game's end.

The Flames, already down to 27 active players, got power-play goals from Adam Pardy and Alex Tanguay and even-strength goals from Jarome Iginla and Marcus Nilson.

Miikka Kiprusoff, in a game that wasn't going to net either goaltender a star selection, went the distance for Calgary. Dwayne Roloson put in his first full game of the pre-season for Edmonton and saved his best work for the later stages of the tilt -- including a four-on-three in overtime. Calgary outshot Edmonton 37-28.


THE LINEUP (last night)

Forwards

Ethan Moreau-Shawn Horcoff-Kyle Brodziak

Raffi Torres-Jarret Stoll-Robert Nilsson

Frederik Johansson-Rob Schremp-Marc Pouliot

JF Jacques-Andrew Cogliano-Troy Bodie

Defencemen

Joni Pitkanen-Steve Staios

Sheldon Souray-Matt Greene

Denis Grebeshkov-Dick Tarnstrom

Goaltenders

Dwayne Roloson

Devan Dubnyk (back up)



Indeed the writing is on the wall for Horcoff.....and its a great decison my MacT to put a Cogliano/Gagner (Schremp is still in the mix) at the #1 role and use Horc. where he belongs a 2a/2b (as I see line 2 and 3 getting similar minutes) center position.......

Cree Nations

I knew it!!!!
Just came out on the Edmonton Journals Website. Robbie Shremp is being sent back down to the minors .......AGAIN.

Drowned Out

Cree Nations wrote:

I knew it!!!!
Just came out on the Edmonton Journals Website. Robbie Shremp is being sent back down to the minors .......AGAIN.

bah....I gave up on that putz a while ago. He just doesn't have the heart.

RockinInCanada

Drowned Out wrote:

bah....I gave up on that putz a while ago. He just doesn't have the heart.

Cannot wait for tonight....Gagner/Cogliano/Horcoff all playing for the number one centre spot....

Cree Nations

Drowned Out wrote:

bah....I gave up on that putz a while ago. He just doesn't have the heart.

The nerd in me hopes that one day the journal will quote from this thread and if they do....its a post like this they should quote.

Drowned Out

Cree Nations wrote:

The nerd in me hopes that one day the journal will quote from this thread and if they do....its a post like this they should quote.

They could probably find that quote on a million boards about now...you can just see it in his eyes, hear it in his voice...he plays for the wrong reasons.

Drowned Out

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

Cannot wait for tonight....Gagner/Cogliano/Horcoff all playing for the number one centre spot....

oh ya! Thanks for the reminder...what's that website you keep linking? Do they show the games?.....have to go look....

Cree Nations

Oilers over Shames 2-1

RockinInCanada

I am going out and saying this right now (which i have said before the pre-season started) that people who knock Souray/Pitkanen have no clue.....they will be outstanding players this year....right Pitkanen is our best D-men....he is incredible....a point last night with multiple crisp break-out passes (something that we had none of last year), blocking shots, and played 29 minutes effortlessly....

Souray combined with Hemsky is going to allow Souray ample opportunity to beat his own PP goal record he set last year.....that shot is un-fucking-believable.....last night WOW!

These guys will prove all the pundits that they are grade A material...Oilers will be back in the play-offs this year....and don't even get me started on Cogliano that kid is amazing.....

Drowned Out

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

I am going out and saying this right now (which i have said before the pre-season started) that people who knock Souray/Pitkanen have no clue.....they will be outstanding players this year....right Pitkanen is our best D-men....he is incredible....a point last night with multiple crisp break-out passes (something that we had none of last year), blocking shots, and played 29 minutes effortlessly....

Souray combined with Hemsky is going to allow Souray ample opportunity to beat his own PP goal record he set last year.....that shot is un-fucking-believable.....last night WOW!

These guys will prove all the pundits that they are grade A material...Oilers will be back in the play-offs this year....and don't even get me started on Cogliano that kid is amazing.....

It's still preseason man, don't get too excited I hate getting pumped about young guys early on like this....but if even just one or two play to their potential (meaning Cogliano/Gagner/Penner), we should be back in the playoffs....barring injuries...
And I really hope you're right about Souray and Pitkanen.... they are in a similar spot as Smith was last year (like we spoke about yesterday)...they were a bit out of their element, on shitty teams, being asked to do more than what their normal role entails...I just hope we have enough defensive d to cover for their offensive rushes/pinches/etc. I think Staios and Greene will be up to the task tho. And you are sooo right about the outlet passes...after watching Pronger for a year here, it was brutally obvious how much we missed that last season.

Do you think we need an enforcer? Fucking Boogart scares me...I don't want to play that guy 8 times with all these young guys and no one to stand up to him....the team toughness thing is one thing...but no one on our team will stand up to him....nor should they.

RockinInCanada

Drowned Out wrote:

It's still preseason man, don't get too excited I hate getting pumped about young guys early on like this....but if even just one or two play to their potential (meaning Cogliano/Gagner/Penner), we should be back in the playoffs....barring injuries...
And I really hope you're right about Souray and Pitkanen.... they are in a similar spot as Smith was last year (like we spoke about yesterday)...they were a bit out of their element, on shitty teams, being asked to do more than what their normal role entails...I just hope we have enough defensive d to cover for their offensive rushes/pinches/etc. I think Staios and Greene will be up to the task tho. And you are sooo right about the outlet passes...after watching Pronger for a year here, it was brutally obvious how much we missed that last season.

Do you think we need an enforcer? Fucking Boogart scares me...I don't want to play that guy 8 times with all these young guys and no one to stand up to him....the team toughness thing is one thing...but no one on our team will stand up to him....nor should they.

Ummm...I am not too excited like I said last year I was not that optimsitic about our chances after a decent pre-season...we look like a different team on so many levels....we are not the same team as last year....not remotely....

MacT has stated that he will take 8 d-men on the roster on opening day until he determines how much they are willing to gamble...I think deep down MacT really likes the pinching d-men....so he wants to see how bad the reprecussions our for mainly offensive d-men....therefore I expect to see Souray/Staios/Pitkanen/Smid/Grebeskov/Gilber/Greene/Tarnstrom all on the roster opening day (of course all will not dress) and Roy will be traded as he would have to clear waivers to send him down.

Only Gilbert/Smid can be sent down without the worry of them being picked up by another team....interesting problem for the coaching staff but a good one...

As for enforcer I think guys that can dish it out include Moreau (who said he will not back down from a "needed" fight...we missed his intimidation last year a lot!), Staois, Greene, Souray (who can kick some serious ass by the sounds of things he was leveling Flames last night...he is a super tough dude).

Honestly Jacques/Stortini can dish it to but they suck and by suck I mean suck horribly last night our 4th was complete and utter trash....

Also Cogliano is here to stay that kid is nothing short of amazing and he could be a candidate for the Calder....the verdict is still out on Gagner though....very skilled and may get his nine games but I am thinking he will be sent back to juniors for another year....but I expect this team to compete this year.....

Drowned Out

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

Ummm...I am not too excited like I said last year I was not that optimsitic about our chances after a decent pre-season...we look like a different team on so many levels....we are not the same team as last year....not remotely....

MacT has stated that he will take 8 d-men on the roster on opening day until he determines how much they are willing to gamble...I think deep down MacT really likes the pinching d-men....so he wants to see how bad the reprecussions our for mainly offensive d-men....therefore I expect to see Souray/Staios/Pitkanen/Smid/Grebeskov/Gilber/Greene/Tarnstrom all on the roster opening day (of course all will not dress) and Roy will be traded as he would have to clear waivers to send him down.

Only Gilbert/Smid can be sent down without the worry of them being picked up by another team....interesting problem for the coaching staff but a good one...

As for enforcer I think guys that can dish it out include Moreau (who said he will not back down from a "needed" fight...we missed his intimidation last year a lot!), Staois, Greene, Souray (who can kick some serious ass by the sounds of things he was leveling Flames last night...he is a super tough dude).

Honestly Jacques/Stortini can dish it to but they suck and by suck I mean suck horribly last night our 4th was complete and utter trash....

Also Cogliano is here to stay that kid is nothing short of amazing and he could be a candidate for the Calder....the verdict is still out on Gagner though....very skilled and may get his nine games but I am thinking he will be sent back to juniors for another year....but I expect this team to compete this year.....

Hey, I totally agree that our team is a lot different….esp. on the back end. I wouldn't be overly sad to see Roy go, but if it comes down to Gilbert/Smid outplaying tarnstrom or Grebs…that could put management in a tough spot for sure. I still think they will move one of the bigger names as the season progresses and our needs become more clear.
The enforcer thing - Staios, Greene, Souray, Moreau are all tough and don't back down…but I really don't want to see any of those guys fighting Boogard. But if no one does, he's going to be head hunting again all year….which scares me considering 1/10th of our games are against them. How many of our players did he single-handedly put on the shelf last year? Gawd he's a killer. 5 minutes per game of mass destruction….

...and damn it would be nice to have a calder contender.