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I hated the way the match ended (as well as for the match before the Kimbo fight)...but Thompson was on his way down while the match was called. Kimbo looked good on the ground until he got caught in that corner...i cant BELIEVE he just took it until the bell rang for the end of the round.
If it was real street fighting, match would never have been called and they would never be on the ground.
K I M B O
If it was real street fighting, match would never have been called and they would never be on the ground.
K I M B O
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This sport appears to be replacing boxing on network TV.
Peace
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Thomson (Kimbo's opponenet) was eyes rolling back woozy after 3 or 4 hard shots including some really jolting uppercuts. (that ear was disgusting!) Might have been stopped a touch early, but, I think it was a good call.
Good to see someone give Slice a match ... the previous bouts (EliteXC) were against mediocre talent at best ... and Slice just popped them into submission within a minute or two. He still needs to learn a LOT about what to do on the ground, his strength saved him on the ground tonight ... have to admit, he's a strong friggin dude.
The bout before it was quite the slug fest ... several times I thought Lawler was going to knock Smith out ... but Smith took the punches. Horrible way to end that fight ... seemed he could have gone on.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
it was a questionable stoppage, but i think you are right about thompson being close to out anyway. although, he did come back from looking close to out earlier and should have probably ended the fight at the end of the second. that was also questionable. there was nearly a full minute of kimbo taking unanswered blows and not defending himself intelligently.
in any case, i think a stoppage was appropriate for a doctor to look at thompson's ear at that point and that would have meant the end of the fight anyway. it could be argued that thompson should have had the match at the end of the second as well. if he'd been a bit more aggressive it would have been called.
i'd tend to disagree with you about the street fights and kimbo's ground game. he showed a fairly inexperienced ground game, jumping for guillotine at one point and holding onto it too long, enough for thompson to pass his guard. not relly doing much from his back in this match, but he did manage a couple of nice scrambles back to the feet. thompson was able to take him down fairly easily and in spots that put kimbo in a bad position. kimbo certainly needs a lot more work on his ground, as thompson is not known as a ground specialist and even he was able to do damage from there and get dominant position. kudos to kimbo on the one mount and the one sweep, though. good work there. his hands look great. he uses great footwork and movement for the most part (until he faces a kickboxer or muay thai fighter), and he certainly has power in both hands.
i'd also say that most street fights don't take the form of a boxing match, but rather end up in a clinch, hockey fighting or go to the ground wrestling. but hey, if you agree to rules beforehand...:D
anyway, a more entertaining main event than i'd expected.
lawler vs. smith was a great back and forth battle. i'm disappointed to see it end that way. both fighters respected the accidental eye poke and broke off. the ref stepped in to call time and the doctor called it almost immediately! smith had time to recover and it looked like he would have and could have. he certainly wanted to continued and seemed fine after recovering a bit from the poke.
still, lawler looked much more patient and technical than i have seen him in the past and smith was looking for a home run shot. both guys were hurt at different times, but i think lawler had the more damaging shots. his work to the body and the pawing jab was setting up better combos for him. smith tried to give as good as he got, but missed more than he landed. he had robbie in trouble a couple of times, though.
great fight, disappointing ending. they gave it their all out there.
I've tried watching this MMA stuff but to be honest I just can't get into it. It's just to quick and fast, I guess. I still WATCH boxing online. Mostly lightweight/middle/cruiserweight bouts b/c they're more entertaining than Heavyweights now. I wish the heavyweight was as popular as the 90's. I know it'll never be like Ali and Frazier in the 70's but the 90's was still pretty good.
Believe it or not boxing and WWE wrestling still interest me.
EV- 08/09,10/2008.06/08,09/2009
kimbo never had a ground game until he this match...i thought he did decent for his first time...he got out of this hold that I didn't think he was going to get out of, and just used his back and threw thompson to the otherside, it was incredible
honestly, it feels weird seeing Kimbo in the MMA, he's a street fighter
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but i still like him. not bad for an internet juggernaut.
i see what you're saying. hey, i gave credit to the sweep in my post.
oh, i meant to ask if you enjoyed the rest of the show? the carano vs. young and smith vs. lawler matches were great, although the stoppage in the guys fight was a bad one. i think i mentioned before that the kimbo vs. thompson fight, although not the most technical of matches
my sons go to the same high school kimbo went to (palmetto)
so it was a pretty big deal to them and their friends...
ewwwww....
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04 10/8 VFC Kissimmee
03 4/11 WPB, 4/12 HOB Orlando, 7/8,9 MSG
00 8/24 Jones Bch 8/9,10 WPB
1998 9/22,23 WPB 1996 10/7 Ft Laud 1994 3/28 Miami
no way Kimbo ever competes for a title. He just doesnt have the stuff.
Peace
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
He's not going to be a great fighter overnight, obviously an experienced UFC fighter would take him out easily
He needs more training and better cardio
Best fight of the night I thought was the Lawler fight
Here is a story about Gina Carano in case anyone didn't see it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j5Gb3qHl70&feature=email
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http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-elitexctv060108&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
MMA’s network debut mocks true sport
By Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports 9 hours, 42 minutes ago
Yahoo! Sports
It sounded like such a good idea when the news broke a few months ago that CBS would broadcast a series of mixed martial arts cards in prime time.
But after watching its effort on Saturday’s Elite XC show from the Prudential Center in Newark, N.J., the good news might be if CBS opts not to do another show.
These were supposed to be the professionals who would show the amateurs at the Ultimate Fighting Championship, who do their own production, how it’s supposed to be done.
And while neophyte play-by-play man Gus Johnson acquitted himself well and analysts Mauro Ranallo and Frank Shamrock didn’t embarrass themselves, the broadcast dragged on interminably.
There was more chatting than “The Tonight Show.” Fighters were introduced as they made long, slow walks to the cage, then were introduced again once they hit the cage. Given that the show went 45 minutes over its allotted time, what do you want to bet the ring walks will be eliminated if there is another show on CBS?
For some reason, particularly early in the broadcast, CBS chose to use its overhead camera to repeatedly show Elite XC’s skanky-looking cheerleaders doing nothing more than shaking their butts.
This wouldn’t have been so bad had there actually been a fight on the air every now and then. But after the show had been on the air for 32 minutes, there had been 61 seconds of actual fighting. When it was 70 minutes into the show, there had been just 2:12 of fighting.
The whole show was built around Kimbo Slice, the Internet-generated star whose street fights made him into something of a mythical figure in the sport before he’d ever faced a serious opponent.
Slice’s name and face was everywhere in the days and weeks leading up to the bout. Considering the way this dragged on, though, you have to wonder how many folks were still awake when the bell rang to begin Slice’s bout with James Thompson at 11:27 p.m. ET, nearly a full half-hour after the show was supposed to have been over.
While it was mostly C-level talent on display, the fighters by and large held up their end of the bargain. Brett Rogers delivered a one-punch knockout of one-time Syracuse linebacker Jon Murphy in just 1:01 in the first fight of the night.
After glorifying loutish middleweight Phil Baroni as some sort of star – ignoring the fact he’d lost three of his last four and was just a decidedly mediocre 10-9 coming in – CBS looked bad when he was knocked out in 1:11 by Joe Villasenor.
The next two bouts were sensational. Gina Carano outslugged Kaitlin Young after two rounds and middleweights Robbie Lawler and Scott Smith went at it fiercely until Smith was inadvertently poked in the eye in the third, forcing a premature end to their middleweight title bout.
The main event showcased two mediocre fighters in mediocre condition, though after listening to Johnson, Ranallo and Shamrock, you’d have thought we were watching the MMA equivalent of Ali-Frazier.
Have no doubt about this: Slice would be destroyed by any legitimate mixed martial artist. Had Slice faced ex-WWE champion Brock Lesnar, the current UFC rookie hopeful, he’d have been beaten in less than two minutes.
As it was, Slice struggled his way to a sloppy third-round knockout of a complete tomato can.
You can’t blame Slice, because he had no business being in a main event of a mixed martial arts bout at this stage of his progression. It takes years of training and sacrifice to reach the main event in MMA and Slice was only there because of the notoriety he’d gained in his YouTube street brawls.
It was kind of ironic that at the show’s opening, Shamrock said with a straight face, “You won’t find them fighting in a bar and you won’t find them fighting in the street.”
Really?
Well, this card featured a guy (Baroni) who fights in bars and another who made his name by fighting in the streets.
CBS should have known better.
The fans deserved better.
The sport deserved better.
The CBS folks ought to take a look at the WEC card on the cable network Versus on Sunday to see how an MMA show is supposed to be put together. They’ll learn from watching that show how to introduce the viewers to the fighters but not drag the show on like a book that goes on 200 pages too long.
They’ll see quality fights between trained and competitive MMA fighters.
Hopefully, CBS didn’t manage to turn off a large segment to the country to what is a classic and compelling sport.
There’s no question, though, that CBS didn’t do MMA any favors Saturday.
The ONLY thing better than a glass of beer is tea with Miss McGill
A protuberance of flesh above the waistband of a tight pair of trousers
HE WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL?
All the dancing cheerleaders and fireworks were embarrsing!
I loved how Phil Baroni came out and danced around for a few minutes and then promptly got his ASSSSSS kicked by a way better fighter!
UFC and WEC fighters are world class athletes and this just showed the world a side show with a bunch of average fighters.
i agree. pretty lame show. and it went on too long.
I totally agree. The fighter's entrances were done almost exactly how WWE handles their wrestlers' entrances. I mean, fireworks? Pyro? Was that really necessary? And the cheerleaders were a joke too. Makes you wonder if the execs at CBS think that their primary competition is pro wrestling. Too much talking too. What's next? Some backstage skits and vignettes?
UFC is light years better.
I'd even prefer watching WEC on Vs. right now when compared to what CBS gave us last night.
The first couple fights really sucked. The Gina Carano / Kaitlin Young bout was terrific. If the CBS / Elite XC partnership is going to continue, I think they would be better off promoting Carano more than Kimbo.
This was the first time I saw Kimbo fight. The guy is a beast and has some really impressive hands, but it was easy to tell how green he is. He looked absolutely lost on the ground, and really just relies on strength and power rather than technique. Hey, I recognize he's still new to MMA fighting, but the way that the media has hyped this guy, I expected a more well-rounded fighter.
seeing that dudes ears every time he got hit flail in the air was funny!
yeah announcers SUCKED big time I felt like I was watching TNA. Way too much fluff too, just let em fight
The ref doesn't stop all the fights, the doctor can make the call to stop the fight if they feel the fighter is at risk.
Which is what happened in the Lawler fight ... and that indeed was a quick stoppage.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
it's been at least a couple of years that he's put in so far for his training. he first faced ray mercer last june, defeating him by guillotine choke in the first round. it turned out later that there were some issues with the sanctioning of the event, so it doesn't show on his record.
so he's been competing in events for about a year and training at least twice as long as that. +1 on your thoughts about the cardio. he was growing accustomed to ending things in the first, i guess.
+1 also to the lawler vs. smith match. i think i probably enjoyed the carano vs. young match a little more watching the show again, but smith vs. lawler definitely was a great battle. it's too bad it ended the way it did.
Yeah, apparently he was a star football player and I guess after Hurricane Andrew the school's football program ended for a while and his path changed.
I saw the YouTube footage of this guy about a year ago and had no idea until a couple of weeks ago that he was trying to get into MMA. He looked pretty damn humbled at the end of that fight last night. You could tell he had never been in a fight with someone before that could push him that hard. He is so far below the other fighters in skill and training, but makes up for it in toughness and strength. I would love to see him fight someone really good just to cool down some of the hype.
you think that was bothersome....you should see Genki Sudo's entance tapes from K-1 and Pride....somje cool stuff....and this guy could fight his ass off until he retired
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw7awoNuRFc&feature=related
Come on... a couple of girls goin at it, a fight stopped inappropriately, a guy like KIMBO Slice who is a joke (althought I wouldn't say that to his face), its just not on the same level as UFC.
Kimbo doesn't have what it takes, he should stick with street fighting. In the UFC he will always get out-wrestled.
as you can see by my signature, i am a bit of a genki fan.
it's funny, we were just talking about genki last month prior to the last ufc event and i posted some of his ring entrances. i think my favourites were the butterbean entrance with the baseball team "peace" and the cheerleaders, and the kid yamamoto match entrance at K-1. although...there are so many it's hard to decide!
it's too bad his appearances in the ufc weren't well recieved by the fans. they didn't quite get the entrances and his style, i don't think. then again, they were also toned way down for the smaller stage too...
anyway, i just watched a documentary special (as far as i know it's called genki sudo : a documentary special...japanese with english subtitles) on genki, post-retirement. it's quite good if you get a chance to watch it, and has extras of a simulation mma match he did with caol uno and his legendary westside submissions tournament "clinic".
i miss genki and his entrances!