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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Commy wrote:
    true.



    best case scenario would have been if Florida lost last week, only to win the SEC, so Texas-OU could fight it out int the national title.

    I agree, playoffs are the way to go.

    The best case scenario for me would be for Missouri to beat Oklahoma and then USC to jump Texas in the BCS setting up this scenario:

    Alabama or Florida vs. USC for the NC
    Alabama or Florida vs. Texas in the Sugar Bowl
    BC or VT vs. Cincy in the Orange Bowl
    Missouri vs. Utah in the Fiesta Bowl
    Penn State vs. Boise State in the Rose Bowl

    Because in that scenario, there is no way the Rose Bowl committee takes Ohio State for a rematch with Penn State and the only other choices in the top 14 in the BCS rankings would be Boise State, TCU or Ball State.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
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    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
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  • unifiedscene
    unifiedscene Posts: 462
    Solat13 wrote:
    The best case scenario for me would be for Missouri to beat Oklahoma and then USC to jump Texas in the BCS setting up this scenario:

    Alabama or Florida vs. USC for the NC
    Alabama or Florida vs. Texas in the Sugar Bowl
    BC or VT vs. Cincy in the Orange Bowl
    Missouri vs. Utah in the Fiesta Bowl
    Penn State vs. Boise State in the Rose Bowl

    Because in that scenario, there is no way the Rose Bowl committee takes Ohio State for a rematch with Penn State and the only other choices in the top 14 in the BCS rankings would be Boise State, TCU or Ball State.

    Why is that the best scenario?
    she was underwhelmed, if that's a word
  • unifiedscene
    unifiedscene Posts: 462
    Porchsitter wrote:
    If they went by this criteria, Hawaii would've been playing for the National Championship. That would've been worse than what we got.

    Not for me. I'd rather have seen Boise State go to the Championship rather than have to hear the entire nation hating on Ohio State for something that wasn't their fault.
    she was underwhelmed, if that's a word
  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,337
    This thread wouldn't exist if there was a playoff.
  • Porchsitter
    Porchsitter Loganville, GA Posts: 1,092
    unifiedscene wrote:
    Not for me. I'd rather have seen Boise State go to the Championship rather than have to hear the entire nation hating on Ohio State for something that wasn't their fault.



    Perhaps, but would that be the case if OSU would have won? Hardly. As a matter of fact, it would've been considered revenge from the year before, but that wasn't the case.

    Believe me, I think the BCS is a flawed system, but it doesn't seem to be going anywhere anytime soon. The first step in fixing this system, aside from scrapping the entire thing (which isn't going anywhere for the time being), is taking the weight preseason polls have away. Preseason polls are the reason these ridiculous match-ups happen. Take away the weight preseason polls have, and you will be one step closer to a better system albeit still a flawed one. It's gonna take a few small steps before we will ever get what we truly want.

    College football is one of the few businesses I know where they consistently refuse to give their "customers" what they ask for.
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  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    I wonder how big game Bob will explain his defense sucking when they lose the Bowl game AGAIN.
    My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
  • unifiedscene
    unifiedscene Posts: 462
    Porchsitter wrote:
    Perhaps, but would that be the case if OSU would have won? Hardly. As a matter of fact, it would've been considered revenge from the year before, but that wasn't the case.

    No. But OSU was not going to win. They were rebuilding and the Big Ten was weak. LSU was pre-season #1. I'm a diehard Buckeye fan, but they weren't a top 5 team last year, maybe not even a top 10 teams. Certainly not one of the top 2. It just annoys me that people act like Ohio State cheated to get there. It's a problem of the BCS, not some insidious plot by the Buckeyes.
    Porchsitter wrote:
    Believe me, I think the BCS is a flawed system, but it doesn't seem to be going anywhere anytime soon. The first step in fixing this system, aside from scrapping the entire thing (which isn't going anywhere for the time being), is taking the weight preseason polls have away. Preseason polls are the reason these ridiculous match-ups happen. Take away the weight preseason polls have, and you will be one step closer to a better system albeit still a flawed one. It's gonna take a few small steps before we will ever get what we truly want.

    College football is one of the few businesses I know where they consistently refuse to give their "customers" what they ask for.

    I don't know what influence pre-season polls have on things. There's no way to stop them though, each major news source does it and no one can stop them.
    she was underwhelmed, if that's a word
  • Porchsitter
    Porchsitter Loganville, GA Posts: 1,092
    unifiedscene wrote:

    I don't know what influence pre-season polls have on things. There's no way to stop them though, each major news source does it and no one can stop them.


    I'm not saying get rid of preseason polls altogether. I'm just saying take the weight they carry away. Perhaps a slate for rankings that become official in week five or so, but they shouldn't carry any weight during the first couple of weeks.

    I also don't believe Ohio State was "cheating." I believe they were cheated for being put in the spot much in the same way Hawaii was cheated for being put in that spot. Personally, I felt Georgia and USC were cheated by not allowing the two to play in the Rose Bowl together, and the fans were cheated by having to watch a sub-par Sugar and Rose Bowl.
    We are the facilitators of our own creative evolution.--Bill Hicks
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    unifiedscene wrote:
    Why is that the best scenario?

    Because Boise was ranked 36 preseason and have 65 freshman on the roster. It's going to be funny when they go undefeated again next year for the 4th in 6 years in the regular season but actually start the season ranked in the top 25 and wind up playing for the title.

    The Big Ten has one quality non conference win all season and that was Penn State beating Oregon State at home.

    Boise State beat Oregon on the road and is more deserving of going to a BCS game than Ohio State but will only go to one if my above scenario comes to fruition.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    I wonder how big game Bob will explain his defense sucking when they lose the Bowl game AGAIN.
    No one can stop OU's offense, not even in the NC.
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    you're just talking like a homer... in ways that completely favor your team only. truth is, no one here in austin is whining... it's the media overhyping it. and we fans simply think the system is anything but fair for the entire college football. cause if you really think about it... out of those 3 teams who had the worse loss?

    texas tech, obviously... losing by 44 points.
    then ou losing by 10.
    texas lost only by 6 points... a game which they could've won had they not dropped that interception.

    given, ou was beating teams by scoring 60+ points. it's ridiculous that the computer is deciding who goes and who doesn't. because for retarded reasons, "the computer is not biased." of course not motherlicker!

    were ou and texas to play 4 times and would texas beat them all those 4 times would ou still be better than texas beacuse of the computer rankings? how unfair was it for texas that after being no. 2 had ou lost they still would be dropped because of the head-to-head loss to texas tech, thus sending texas tech to the bcs title. and if ou would have won texas would've still been eliminated from the title.... because oh for whatever reason now the head-to-head win over the sooners doesn't matter. now the rankings matter. makes no sense. and all for a loss by a measly of 6 points.

    it's true ou is a good team and they were dominating a little better. so was texas tech... simply put, system was not fair for either team. and not for ou either.


    you could look at it as who had the worse loss...but then again, the team that got beat by the most points also beat UT.

    Or you could look at how they all did against OKS, when Texas barely squeaked by. Ou scored 61 on em. Tech beat em pretty good.

    Also Texas beat OU with 3 plays. 2 plays involved penalties, when Colt took a soccer style dive out of bounds to draw a late hit penalty, both of which led to points. and the interception in the endzone. OU won that game for 3 quarters...those 3 plays changed the game. There was nothing neutral about the refs in that game.

    And OU has beat Texas 4 out of last 5 I believe.

    Its a circular argument. Its a 3 way tie in the conference, and in the big 12 altogether. they have to rely on some kind of tiebreaker, and for a while now the last tiebreaker is the BCS rankings.

    I agree its unfair...If I were a Texas fan I'd be pissed, but they need someway of deciding who goes to the championship game in KC (my cousin will be at that game, she better get me a shirt :)) I agree its unfair.

    this isnt' to you but,


    If 'Texas beat OU heads up end of story', why doesn't the Tech game over Texas matter?
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    gabers wrote:
    I hate Texas but I do believe they should be going to the Big 12 title game. They beat OU on a neutral field and both have one loss. Case closed.

    However, I find it very interesting how everyone keeps looking over Mizzou. They're obviously not a top five team after their recent performances, but they are capable of beating anyone. And they have played OU well for the most part. I expect a close game. Keep it mind it will also be played at Arrowhead Stadium in KC, which is almost a home game for Mizzou.
    true, but the exact same argument could be made for Tech. They beat Texas heads up, and both have one loss.

    OU already beat Kansas this year, who manhandled Mizzou. They have a good quarterback but he's gonna need some serious help from the rest of the team to keep up with OU's offense.
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    Commy wrote:
    No one can stop OU's offense, not even in the NC.

    this is why playoffs would be great.....i would love to see that offense against sc's defense.....memories of the 2004 orange bowl come to mind ;):D
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    cutback wrote:
    this is why playoffs would be great.....i would love to see that offense against sc's defense.....memories of the 2004 orange bowl come to mind ;):D
    lol. yeah pick the top 8 teams, let the top seeds play at home, chances are 1 and 2 will end up in the final anyway.
  • unifiedscene
    unifiedscene Posts: 462
    Porchsitter wrote:
    I'm not saying get rid of preseason polls altogether. I'm just saying take the weight they carry away. Perhaps a slate for rankings that become official in week five or so, but they shouldn't carry any weight during the first couple of weeks.

    I also don't believe Ohio State was "cheating." I believe they were cheated for being put in the spot much in the same way Hawaii was cheated for being put in that spot. Personally, I felt Georgia and USC were cheated by not allowing the two to play in the Rose Bowl together, and the fans were cheated by having to watch a sub-par Sugar and Rose Bowl.

    I thought the BCS already didn't start or become official until about week 6? I don't know how the hell this system works ;)

    But yeah, some of the bowl matchups last year were a joke. Illinois getting in at all was absurd. If anything, it should have been LSU-USC in the championship and OSU-Oregon in the Rose. Those might have been games worth watching.

    And I'm glad you're more reasonable than some, but there are a LOT of people that act like Ohio State has done all kinds of underhanded things to sneak into national title games. It's wearisome.
    she was underwhelmed, if that's a word
  • unifiedscene
    unifiedscene Posts: 462
    Solat13 wrote:
    Because Boise was ranked 36 preseason and have 65 freshman on the roster. It's going to be funny when they go undefeated again next year for the 4th in 6 years in the regular season but actually start the season ranked in the top 25 and wind up playing for the title.

    The Big Ten has one quality non conference win all season and that was Penn State beating Oregon State at home.

    Boise State beat Oregon on the road and is more deserving of going to a BCS game than Ohio State but will only go to one if my above scenario comes to fruition.

    Gotcha. I'll be honest, I think Boise State has the better case than OSU this season for a BCS bid. I just thought you were one of those haters who thinks Ohio State should be banned from bowl games for all of time and is willing to spin any numbers possible to get rid of them.

    As to your scenario, I'm not sure it would really change things. The thing keeping Boise State out of the BCS isn't their play or where USC is playing, it's money. There are too many question marks about how much BS fans will travel and bring money with the bowl game. And unfortunately, that's what matters with these. For that reason, Ohio State still has an edge. Under your scenario, If the Rose Bowl can't have USC for the tie-ins, I don't think it will make much difference to them who plays Penn State, so they'll probably opt for one of those other big schools and OSU would get picked up elsewhere. It's not fair to BS, but this is the BCS.

    They looked incredible against Fresno!
    she was underwhelmed, if that's a word
  • reversedarwinism
    reversedarwinism Posts: 1,151
    gabers wrote:
    I hate Texas but I do believe they should be going to the Big 12 title game. They beat OU on a neutral field and both have one loss. Case closed.

    Exactly. This is a bunch of bullshit. Nothing should matter more than the head to head game. If Oklahoma does win they deserve a big ol fucking *. This is exactly why I don't get too into college football. I like to watch the games, root for area teams, but it doesn't end up meaning shit and this is perfect proof of that.
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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    reversedarwinism wrote:
    Exactly. This is a bunch of bullshit. Nothing should matter more than the head to head game. If Oklahoma does win they deserve a big ol fucking *. This is exactly why I don't get too into college football. I like to watch the games, root for area teams, but it doesn't end up meaning shit and this is perfect proof of that.
    So why shouldn't Texas Tech be ranked ahead of Texas? They beat Texas heads up.
  • gabers
    gabers Posts: 2,787
    Tech won on a last second play at home against UT. UT beat OU by 10 on a neutral field.
  • CServant
    CServant DCO Posts: 1,182
    gabers wrote:
    Tech won on a last second play at home against UT. UT beat OU by 10 on a neutral field.

    A loss is a loss is a loss.

    Just do away with having a North Champion and take the 2 highest rated teams in the Championship game. Having said that, Tech still gets screwed!
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