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Texas is whining because they claim they beat OU in a head to head game, so how can OU be ranked above them? That's fine, if you ignore Tech's win over Texas. All 3 teams are 11-1. All 3 teams are 11-1 in the conference. If you put Texas over OU because of the head to head game you put Tech over Texas because Tech beat them.
And don't forget OU beat Tech by 44 points.
GO SOONERS!!!!!!
And don't forget OU beat Tech by 44 points.
GO SOONERS!!!!!!
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♬♪♫ and I will not, grow tired of crayon stars and fire
♬♪♫ cause a soldier's death is so much better than defeat just hanging around
We don't like to think about that scenario
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Texas lost to Texas Tech, ranked 7th now, and USC lost to Oregon State, who then got KILLED by Oregon. Just based on their schedules I think you have to go with Texas over USC.
I think you're just trying to stir shit!
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best case scenario would have been if Florida lost last week, only to win the SEC, so Texas-OU could fight it out int the national title.
I agree, playoffs are the way to go.
College football is greater (IMO) in almost every way to any professional sport.
But you are right, come the end of the year it is a complete joke. We go through this every damn year, and it is soooooo dumb.
They NEED a playoff system!
I know it would be tough to put in, but right now most BigTen teams have a full month off before their next (bowl) game. So timing isn't exactly the most constraining issue as most teams could get in 4 games in this time. Clearly it comes down to the corporations that have the deep pockets that support these bowls, and the schools that absorb the huge amounts of money going into their program.
To hell with the BCS!
why cant every bowl game be a round and each team who makes a bowl game has a chance to win the national championship!
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Ohio State had 2 months off before the title game they played against Florida. That's like starting over... playing the first game of the season again. The Big Ten needs to fix their shit and quit with this "done before Thanksgiving" crap.
Over the weekend I realized one thing though. What's the biggest argument FOR the BCS system? This thread. The BCS, love it or hate it, does have every fan constantly talking about college football from about October on. Every week is a cliffhanger and every game potentially cataclysmic for your bowl hopes.
However, I find it very interesting how everyone keeps looking over Mizzou. They're obviously not a top five team after their recent performances, but they are capable of beating anyone. And they have played OU well for the most part. I expect a close game. Keep it mind it will also be played at Arrowhead Stadium in KC, which is almost a home game for Mizzou.
Using team A beat team B but lost to team C never works. Texas was one play from making all this null and void. Texas is better because they beat OU on a neutral field.
If Florida wins and OU losses the BCS title game would be Florida vs Texas. USC is to far behind to make up the difference to get to the title game.
Yeah, there is no question that the teams from the Big Ten are at a huge disadvantage by wrapping up their season so early. I'm an Iowa fan and have seen some great teams (Iowa or Big Ten...) finish the year, go to a bowl and look rusty as hell. I understand one of the main reasons they do that is because of winter, but c'mon!! They are shooting themselves in the foot.
I think their is little argument FOR the BCS, but the argument comes not from it's benefit, but from the difficulty in CHANGING it to some sort of playoff system.
If you look at the $, it's easier to see why it hasn't been changed, rather than the logic.
agreed - my favorite sport by far is college basketball - college football if it had a playoff would be amazing - this system just sucks. it sucks the life out of the season except for like 2 or 3 teams. It totally sucks that a Penn State has no chance because other people think they aren't as good as the other 1 loss teams (i am not saying they are, just that the system says they aren't). it's insane and until someone (Obama?,TV forces a change it is what we have. It's just funny to hear the apologists trying to lobby for why it is good. just awful.
If you're not going to have a playoff, at least do it by record. That would make the non-conference schedules interesting. USC and FLA both lost to teams that couldn't win the WAC, Conference USA, or the Mtn West!
If they went by this criteria, Hawaii would've been playing for the National Championship. That would've been worse than what we got.
texas tech, obviously... losing by 44 points.
then ou losing by 10.
texas lost only by 6 points... a game which they could've won had they not dropped that interception.
given, ou was beating teams by scoring 60+ points. it's ridiculous that the computer is deciding who goes and who doesn't. because for retarded reasons, "the computer is not biased." of course not motherlicker!
were ou and texas to play 4 times and would texas beat them all those 4 times would ou still be better than texas beacuse of the computer rankings? how unfair was it for texas that after being no. 2 had ou lost they still would be dropped because of the head-to-head loss to texas tech, thus sending texas tech to the bcs title. and if ou would have won texas would've still been eliminated from the title.... because oh for whatever reason now the head-to-head win over the sooners doesn't matter. now the rankings matter. makes no sense. and all for a loss by a measly of 6 points.
it's true ou is a good team and they were dominating a little better. so was texas tech... simply put, system was not fair for either team. and not for ou either.
The best case scenario for me would be for Missouri to beat Oklahoma and then USC to jump Texas in the BCS setting up this scenario:
Alabama or Florida vs. USC for the NC
Alabama or Florida vs. Texas in the Sugar Bowl
BC or VT vs. Cincy in the Orange Bowl
Missouri vs. Utah in the Fiesta Bowl
Penn State vs. Boise State in the Rose Bowl
Because in that scenario, there is no way the Rose Bowl committee takes Ohio State for a rematch with Penn State and the only other choices in the top 14 in the BCS rankings would be Boise State, TCU or Ball State.
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Why is that the best scenario?
Not for me. I'd rather have seen Boise State go to the Championship rather than have to hear the entire nation hating on Ohio State for something that wasn't their fault.
Perhaps, but would that be the case if OSU would have won? Hardly. As a matter of fact, it would've been considered revenge from the year before, but that wasn't the case.
Believe me, I think the BCS is a flawed system, but it doesn't seem to be going anywhere anytime soon. The first step in fixing this system, aside from scrapping the entire thing (which isn't going anywhere for the time being), is taking the weight preseason polls have away. Preseason polls are the reason these ridiculous match-ups happen. Take away the weight preseason polls have, and you will be one step closer to a better system albeit still a flawed one. It's gonna take a few small steps before we will ever get what we truly want.
College football is one of the few businesses I know where they consistently refuse to give their "customers" what they ask for.
No. But OSU was not going to win. They were rebuilding and the Big Ten was weak. LSU was pre-season #1. I'm a diehard Buckeye fan, but they weren't a top 5 team last year, maybe not even a top 10 teams. Certainly not one of the top 2. It just annoys me that people act like Ohio State cheated to get there. It's a problem of the BCS, not some insidious plot by the Buckeyes.
I don't know what influence pre-season polls have on things. There's no way to stop them though, each major news source does it and no one can stop them.
I'm not saying get rid of preseason polls altogether. I'm just saying take the weight they carry away. Perhaps a slate for rankings that become official in week five or so, but they shouldn't carry any weight during the first couple of weeks.
I also don't believe Ohio State was "cheating." I believe they were cheated for being put in the spot much in the same way Hawaii was cheated for being put in that spot. Personally, I felt Georgia and USC were cheated by not allowing the two to play in the Rose Bowl together, and the fans were cheated by having to watch a sub-par Sugar and Rose Bowl.
Because Boise was ranked 36 preseason and have 65 freshman on the roster. It's going to be funny when they go undefeated again next year for the 4th in 6 years in the regular season but actually start the season ranked in the top 25 and wind up playing for the title.
The Big Ten has one quality non conference win all season and that was Penn State beating Oregon State at home.
Boise State beat Oregon on the road and is more deserving of going to a BCS game than Ohio State but will only go to one if my above scenario comes to fruition.
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