"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
what are priorities? who says what needs to be 1st or last in terms of priorities? I work, I pay rent, I buy food, I would say I am doing what I can.
but i am living the dream. I have a dream and for me, being in music, somehow, is my ultimate goal. For some it may be to do or be something else, but to suggest how I should conduct my life, is kinda ridiculous. How was I suggesting I didnt need money? This whole post is about it.
I found music to be my calling. I volunteer evey show at a local venue and moved into the apartments right next door. I am doing pretty much all I can in terms of trying to work my way up to my goal...
Why are you turning down every person that tries to speak their mind to you? That's where everyone is getting the idea that you're immature with life right now and that your priorities aren't straight.
That, and that you're willing to quit your job just so you can go to concerts...
I'd love to be able to go to a concert, but I haven't been able to since July, and yes, it's eating away at me.
Join the party. Now I'm going to four shows in four nights coming up because I'm finally getting some time off and I'm allowed to go home for the first time in two months. I'm currently trying to find a way to get back full time before christmas again, and that's my goal.
Music is my passion as well, but guess what? You need to support your life and lifestyle before you can pursue your passion(in most cases)
Sometimes the mainstream hollywood success story of suffer suffer suffer, and then I all of a sudden found 'my calling' is just setting up the masses for failure.
Hang in there, you gotta sink the second you jump into the deep end before you get yourself balanced out again and can start to swim.
My life, and my family knowing I'm alive, don't need help, I'm healthy, and that I'm back in a position where I can help them and support them with anything they need again comes before fulfilling myself with entertainment and material items.
You stated about being apart of a scene, or movement, and that you need a tv and dvd player and laptop, and that you might not go to concerts. This doesn't seem like a calling, this seems like a want to be entertained and a need to be recognized.
I did not mean for that to be offensive, if it came off that way, I apologize.
Why are you turning down every person that tries to speak their mind to you? That's where everyone is getting the idea that you're immature with life right now and that your priorities aren't straight.
That, and that you're willing to quit your job just so you can go to concerts...
I'd love to be able to go to a concert, but I haven't been able to since July, and yes, it's eating away at me.
Join the party. Now I'm going to four shows in four nights coming up because I'm finally getting some time off and I'm allowed to go home for the first time in two months. I'm currently trying to find a way to get back full time before christmas again, and that's my goal.
Music is my passion as well, but guess what? You need to support your life and lifestyle before you can pursue your passion(in most cases)
Sometimes the mainstream hollywood success story of suffer suffer suffer, and then I all of a sudden found 'my calling' is just setting up the masses for failure.
Hang in there, you gotta sink the second you jump into the deep end before you get yourself balanced out again and can start to swim.
My life, and my family knowing I'm alive, don't need help, I'm healthy, and that I'm back in a position where I can help them and support them with anything they need again comes before fulfilling myself with entertainment and material items.
You stated about being apart of a scene, or movement, and that you need a tv and dvd player and laptop, and that you might not go to concerts. This doesn't seem like a calling, this seems like a want to be entertained and a need to be recognized.
I did not mean for that to be offensive, if it came off that way, I apologize.
Why are you turning down every person that tries to speak their mind to you? That's where everyone is getting the idea that you're immature with life right now and that your priorities aren't straight.
That, and that you're willing to quit your job just so you can go to concerts...
I'd love to be able to go to a concert, but I haven't been able to since July, and yes, it's eating away at me.
Join the party. Now I'm going to four shows in four nights coming up because I'm finally getting some time off and I'm allowed to go home for the first time in two months. I'm currently trying to find a way to get back full time before christmas again, and that's my goal.
Music is my passion as well, but guess what? You need to support your life and lifestyle before you can pursue your passion(in most cases)
Sometimes the mainstream hollywood success story of suffer suffer suffer, and then I all of a sudden found 'my calling' is just setting up the masses for failure.
Hang in there, you gotta sink the second you jump into the deep end before you get yourself balanced out again and can start to swim.
My life, and my family knowing I'm alive, don't need help, I'm healthy, and that I'm back in a position where I can help them and support them with anything they need again comes before fulfilling myself with entertainment and material items.
You stated about being apart of a scene, or movement, and that you need a tv and dvd player and laptop, and that you might not go to concerts. This doesn't seem like a calling, this seems like a want to be entertained and a need to be recognized.
I did not mean for that to be offensive, if it came off that way, I apologize.
*applauds*
I will be what i could be
Once I get out of this town
yeah I guess your right. Ignore feelings that i found myself, ignore the feelings I get when around music and listening to it. Ignore the feelings of being at peace around it. And ignore all of that. Because there is just one way to do things after all. Going to concerts is silly. wow what a relief that was to come out and say that!
After all I am just wanting to be entertained and want some attention.
cool thanks. I didnt even need to post on this board! Clears it all up!
so when all of this happens to you all, or friends, you belittle them and call them attention whores and tell them they are desperate for recognition? you mock them and act rude to them?
I find it incredibly annoying I prefaced this with :dont post here if you arent going to discuss the topic. People forgot that, and started attacking me!
what makes you think any type of advice will register at all with me if its done in a rather rude way, and calling me names sure doesnt help
And I didnt shoot down anyone! If someone tells me I have wrong priorities I sure as hell aint gonna go "yeah your right". Would you? If you tell someone they have wrong priorities it really isnt a nice comment to make.
well considering I dont have a wife, kids or any type of major bills besides rent, I would say its not like I am abandoning my life.
I work so I can go to concerts. If thats crazy, its crazy. But you do what you have to do. If you are interested in something I say follow the dream.
As I said, I am interested in music, so I thought the best way to satiate that and maybe work my way up was to volunteer at a music venue. I now volunteer every show. And as I said I just moved into an apartment right next door to the venue. Its not like I am following some pipe dream here. i have taken serious steps. not much more I can do in terms of that really.
and to suggest I want to change jobs, this is my first job ever isnt really outrageous either.
additionally, you do know I am the person who seriously considered living in a commune right? So to suggest, even though I ended up not choosing that lifestyle, that somehow I am ruled or obsessed with material objects is absurd. which comes to my point of how ridiculous it is for you all to bash me so brazenly. My apartment isnt some tricked out pad, and never will be. I never will live that lifestyle.
yeah I guess your right. Ignore feelings that i found myself, ignore the feelings I get when around music and listening to it. Ignore the feelings of being at peace around it. And ignore all of that. Because there is just one way to do things after all. Going to concerts is silly. wow what a relief that was to come out and say that!
Relax with the drama...
Life isn't always roses, but you do what you need to get by. We all have things that we want to do but can't afford them right now. Especially starting out, we've all lived on shoestring budgets.
$1000 for a laptop? you can find a cheap one for $500... Craigslist is full of TVs and DVD players (and everything else).
If life was all about finding your calling and everything else would be fun and easy, then you wouldn't enjoy the good stuff.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
its funny, my life has been going so well lately, finally found myself so to speak, and havent had the painful and scary thoughts of "what do i do with my life" for many many months now. Before those were daily thoughts. I found my passion, music, and spend basically every waking moment around or involved with music. volunteer at a music venue, literally every show. job has been good about letting me works hours conducive to going to concerts every night. to top it off, many of the books, movies and music I am listening to seems almost divinely or cosmic in terms its relation to my life. its like it was all supposed to happen this way, that I was destined to see these movies, or bands at this time.
flash forward, to my laptop of several years is on its last legs, keyboard doesnt respond, doesnt even recognize that a DVD/CD drive is and was always installed. so thats at least a thousand plus bones. need to buy a tv and dvd player, and of course need to pay for food, rent, and most importantly money for concerts. topping it off, work may have me closing from now on, making volunteering at every show impossible.
I thought once you found your passion, it would be easy. I got past the rough parts, of trying to figure out what my passion was, and now that I found it, its more problems!
how to afford this, working at a minimum wage job, and just starting out my life...? I am still stuck in a job I dont see myself at in the future, and even though I found my general niche, music, I dont know exactly what in music is my calling. If the job ends up cutting into my concerts, I may need to move on. How can I afford my first apartment, I just moved into it, on a potentially smaller salary?
This isnt meant to belittle those who have children fighting in iraq or are losing their houses, but I do think there are people who dont have either of those things going on, but have things they need to work out...
what to do, what to do? If I feel a cosmic pull to alot of what I am doing and seeing, why is it still so hard?
Consider yourself lucky that you don't live in a time or a place where your only choice of what to do with your life would have been to subsist.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
additionally, you do know I am the person who seriously considered living in a commune right? So to suggest, even though I ended up not choosing that lifestyle, that somehow I am ruled or obsessed with material objects is absurd. which comes to my point of how ridiculous it is for you all to bash me so brazenly. My apartment isnt some tricked out pad, and never will be. I never will live that lifestyle.
Dont judge me.
Again, you're over reacting to a post that was based on my view that I'm able to take on what you're throwing out there for us. If you don't want anyone to talk, then why make a thread?
The name calling, and everything else you're throwing out there, is all putting words in my mouth all of a sudden. I never told you to ignore your dream. I'm not belittling you, and I'm not calling you an attention whore.
No, don't back down from who you are or what you want to be, but you also need to learn to react, settle down and state your case as to why that wouldn't work when someone offers advice.
If a forum on the net leads you to believe you have this much drama around you, again, that's why you're getting the reactions that you think are too harsh.
Relax a little bit dude, what's your plan? Do you have any yet? What are you willing to face?
Structure this out a bit if you want it to be constructive.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
don't ask questions if you don't want to hear the answers
I agree. Just because someone offers you advice you may not like doesn't mean you are being attacked. Life is what it is, and it is what you make it. Right now you are trying to find your way. If you open that way up to comments from a group of people you don't know, expect a bit of stuff you don't like. If you are really looking for input, you will re-read and process some of the stuff that's been said in a non-personal way. Nobody is trying to hurt your feelings, just because you aren't getting the answers you want to hear. If you want someone to tell you what you want to hear, buy a parrot. If you want advice from those who've been there, listen up, and get over yourself.
"I was born, and I know that I'll die...the in-between is mine."
I agree. Just because someone offers you advice you may not like doesn't mean you are being attacked. Life is what it is, and it is what you make it. Right now you are trying to find your way. If you open that way up to comments from a group of people you don't know, expect a bit of stuff you don't like. If you are really looking for input, you will re-read and process some of the stuff that's been said in a non-personal way. Nobody is trying to hurt your feelings, just because you aren't getting the answers you want to hear. If you want someone to tell you what you want to hear, buy a parrot. If you want advice from those who've been there, listen up, and get over yourself.
Listen to this radiohead33.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
Ahhhhhhhh a depressing thread I didn't start!!!!!! just kidding.
Life gets better then it gets worse its a cycle that never let's u be happy too long...just the way it goes. I hope u feel better soon, and I'm sorry you are feeling this way right now, I can relate.
"I'm not present, I'm a drug that makes you dream"
welcome to the human life, get use to it, you can influence your life but you can't control your life, life is what it is, your dreams could keep you going but they're are just an excuse for the trip, the difficulties along the way are going to help you to grow and depends on you to become a better or a bitter person. Don't give up your dreams work as hard as you can to make them become true, live here and now and enjoy the trip even if it get rough.
Good luck bro.
"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
Neil deGrasse Tyson
welcome to the human life, get use to it, you can influence your life but you can't control your life, life is what it is, your dreams could keep you going but they're are just an excuse for the trip, the difficulties along the way are going to help you to grow and depends on you to become a better or a bitter person. Don't give up your dreams work as hard as you can to make them become true, live here and now and enjoy the trip even if it get rough.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
ok, I'm assuming as well that you're a pretty young guy if you've only had one job. I think people are being a little harsh if that's the case...if you're in your 30's, stop reading and get a life I was in a similar situation in my early 20's, and had a defeatist attitude that stopped me from lookin at career options in the music biz (that and a lot of people pissing on the idea). Sounds like you are really trying to make it work, I think that's commendable.
If you really want to follow music as a career, but don't know what route to take, I'm assuming you're not a musician...so you need to find a way to finance an education in a profession that's related, right? Is this possible?
....If you can make it happen, it leaves you a few options....getting into the business side (PR, management, etc), the production side (studio work, light and sound engineering, videography, set design, etc), or the grunt work (stage hands, drivers, etc)...You need to find a school and figure out if you can realistically go...cause if not, you will one day realize that you've done nothing but worked your way up to a paid bartender at the live shows.
All of those careers are very much about who you know, so volunteering at shows and networking is a good start. My attitude was that there was no way a guy from bumblefuck, Canada is going to make in that business...but I have a number of friends that went to school and networked in Vancouver, moved to LA once they had contacts, and are now working in the business....one ended up on the road doing sound for some well-known RoadRunner bands, two are doing graphics and video for big studios, another went into tattoos, and was featured in Revolver for tattooing musicians....all kinds of successful careers I probably could have achieved along with them if I'd chosen a direction, been willing to struggle for a few years, and worked hard at it.
edit: don't know if you care to hear any of that, but I'm just trying to be a lil supportive....I mean fuck...you seem like you're trying to do your thing, are a bit down about how it's going, and people are shitting on you for it....have you pissed people here off in the past?
it's called living. life is not designed to be 'easy'...whether you are an ant, a tiger...or a human. we all have to make choices, compromises, de=cisions...some we will love, others not so much. you work to survive, and really...we humans today have the great 'luxury' and it IS a luxury, to persue our passions, etc. cavemen didn't have that option, the vast majority of non-royal people didn't have that luxury. we ARE ridiculously lucky, even being born into the western world, to have the livers and *problems* we face. you are a VERY fortunate being as is everyone posting on this board.
don't ask questions if you don't want to hear the answers
is radiohead333's MO.
kinda like a few other board members who have come and gone. ask for ideas/advice/thoughts..and then bash em all when it's not 'exactly' what he wants to hear, and inform us all of how fringe and counterculture he truly is and we're all mindless sheep.
ahhhhhhhh...isn't it great to be so young and inexperienced...b/c that's when you truly do know it all? and not a dig at radiohead, just a remembrance.
like I said, thanks trixie, jeremy and jamie. but if you arent going to discuss on topic, please go to another thread. I wont be offended, honest. Dont like my thread. no skin off my nose, but please dont hijack threads. whatever you may think of me, i dont think people could read my thread and think I was being silly or asinine or making a joke thread. I posted a serious rant or question, and there have been like 12 posts on this thread and 2 have discussed the topic at hand?
again, id appreciate it if you respected my threads as I dont hijack others threads. please allow me the same respect
I would say, stop taking things quite so seriously, actually reading your posts here, I would maybe say stop taking yourself so seriously. Do some work, pay some bills, have some fun. But always remember, turning a buck for the man may be annoying at times, but unless you find another way of funding your good times, well you gotta do it......like the rest of us buddy.
Okay, now I'm off to do a 12 hour working day.....see, we're all in the same boat somewhat.
Jeez :rolleyes:
i find life to be quite easy really... i like to have a giggle, play with me kids, drink some wine, play guitar... life should be fun... not stressful!
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
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This is gospel.
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
Everyone has issues. Deal with it.
Why are you turning down every person that tries to speak their mind to you? That's where everyone is getting the idea that you're immature with life right now and that your priorities aren't straight.
That, and that you're willing to quit your job just so you can go to concerts...
I'd love to be able to go to a concert, but I haven't been able to since July, and yes, it's eating away at me.
Join the party. Now I'm going to four shows in four nights coming up because I'm finally getting some time off and I'm allowed to go home for the first time in two months. I'm currently trying to find a way to get back full time before christmas again, and that's my goal.
Music is my passion as well, but guess what? You need to support your life and lifestyle before you can pursue your passion(in most cases)
Sometimes the mainstream hollywood success story of suffer suffer suffer, and then I all of a sudden found 'my calling' is just setting up the masses for failure.
Hang in there, you gotta sink the second you jump into the deep end before you get yourself balanced out again and can start to swim.
My life, and my family knowing I'm alive, don't need help, I'm healthy, and that I'm back in a position where I can help them and support them with anything they need again comes before fulfilling myself with entertainment and material items.
You stated about being apart of a scene, or movement, and that you need a tv and dvd player and laptop, and that you might not go to concerts. This doesn't seem like a calling, this seems like a want to be entertained and a need to be recognized.
I did not mean for that to be offensive, if it came off that way, I apologize.
excellent...well said!
Once I get out of this town
9/29/04;6/27/08;6/30/08;8/23/09;08/24/09;5/17/10
After all I am just wanting to be entertained and want some attention.
cool thanks. I didnt even need to post on this board! Clears it all up!
so when all of this happens to you all, or friends, you belittle them and call them attention whores and tell them they are desperate for recognition? you mock them and act rude to them?
I find it incredibly annoying I prefaced this with :dont post here if you arent going to discuss the topic. People forgot that, and started attacking me!
what makes you think any type of advice will register at all with me if its done in a rather rude way, and calling me names sure doesnt help
And I didnt shoot down anyone! If someone tells me I have wrong priorities I sure as hell aint gonna go "yeah your right". Would you? If you tell someone they have wrong priorities it really isnt a nice comment to make.
well considering I dont have a wife, kids or any type of major bills besides rent, I would say its not like I am abandoning my life.
I work so I can go to concerts. If thats crazy, its crazy. But you do what you have to do. If you are interested in something I say follow the dream.
As I said, I am interested in music, so I thought the best way to satiate that and maybe work my way up was to volunteer at a music venue. I now volunteer every show. And as I said I just moved into an apartment right next door to the venue. Its not like I am following some pipe dream here. i have taken serious steps. not much more I can do in terms of that really.
and to suggest I want to change jobs, this is my first job ever isnt really outrageous either.
additionally, you do know I am the person who seriously considered living in a commune right? So to suggest, even though I ended up not choosing that lifestyle, that somehow I am ruled or obsessed with material objects is absurd. which comes to my point of how ridiculous it is for you all to bash me so brazenly. My apartment isnt some tricked out pad, and never will be. I never will live that lifestyle.
Dont judge me.
Relax with the drama...
Life isn't always roses, but you do what you need to get by. We all have things that we want to do but can't afford them right now. Especially starting out, we've all lived on shoestring budgets.
$1000 for a laptop? you can find a cheap one for $500... Craigslist is full of TVs and DVD players (and everything else).
If life was all about finding your calling and everything else would be fun and easy, then you wouldn't enjoy the good stuff.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Consider yourself lucky that you don't live in a time or a place where your only choice of what to do with your life would have been to subsist.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Again, you're over reacting to a post that was based on my view that I'm able to take on what you're throwing out there for us. If you don't want anyone to talk, then why make a thread?
The name calling, and everything else you're throwing out there, is all putting words in my mouth all of a sudden. I never told you to ignore your dream. I'm not belittling you, and I'm not calling you an attention whore.
No, don't back down from who you are or what you want to be, but you also need to learn to react, settle down and state your case as to why that wouldn't work when someone offers advice.
If a forum on the net leads you to believe you have this much drama around you, again, that's why you're getting the reactions that you think are too harsh.
Relax a little bit dude, what's your plan? Do you have any yet? What are you willing to face?
Structure this out a bit if you want it to be constructive.
I think back to the book by Uris "the agony and the ecstacy" about Michealangelo and what he went thorough to create his art.
It is only, IMO, through adversity and struggle that true passion for anything truely comes.
And who ever told Life would be easy should be drawn and quartered. Life is life. It's what we make of it for ourselves that makes it worth while.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Life gets better then it gets worse its a cycle that never let's u be happy too long...just the way it goes. I hope u feel better soon, and I'm sorry you are feeling this way right now, I can relate.
Good luck bro.
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
i'm pretty sure he is in his early-mid 20's
If you really want to follow music as a career, but don't know what route to take, I'm assuming you're not a musician...so you need to find a way to finance an education in a profession that's related, right? Is this possible?
....If you can make it happen, it leaves you a few options....getting into the business side (PR, management, etc), the production side (studio work, light and sound engineering, videography, set design, etc), or the grunt work (stage hands, drivers, etc)...You need to find a school and figure out if you can realistically go...cause if not, you will one day realize that you've done nothing but worked your way up to a paid bartender at the live shows.
All of those careers are very much about who you know, so volunteering at shows and networking is a good start. My attitude was that there was no way a guy from bumblefuck, Canada is going to make in that business...but I have a number of friends that went to school and networked in Vancouver, moved to LA once they had contacts, and are now working in the business....one ended up on the road doing sound for some well-known RoadRunner bands, two are doing graphics and video for big studios, another went into tattoos, and was featured in Revolver for tattooing musicians....all kinds of successful careers I probably could have achieved along with them if I'd chosen a direction, been willing to struggle for a few years, and worked hard at it.
edit: don't know if you care to hear any of that, but I'm just trying to be a lil supportive....I mean fuck...you seem like you're trying to do your thing, are a bit down about how it's going, and people are shitting on you for it....have you pissed people here off in the past?
oops....
already covered, and much more succinctly.
EXACTLY.
and this...
is radiohead333's MO.
kinda like a few other board members who have come and gone. ask for ideas/advice/thoughts..and then bash em all when it's not 'exactly' what he wants to hear, and inform us all of how fringe and counterculture he truly is and we're all mindless sheep.
ahhhhhhhh...isn't it great to be so young and inexperienced...b/c that's when you truly do know it all? and not a dig at radiohead, just a remembrance.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
I would say, stop taking things quite so seriously, actually reading your posts here, I would maybe say stop taking yourself so seriously. Do some work, pay some bills, have some fun. But always remember, turning a buck for the man may be annoying at times, but unless you find another way of funding your good times, well you gotta do it......like the rest of us buddy.
Okay, now I'm off to do a 12 hour working day.....see, we're all in the same boat somewhat.
Jeez :rolleyes: