Roger Clemens...STEROIDS!!
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How come there is never any discussion on wether or not Clemens has ever been on the juice?
I find this very strange. I mean...has there ever been another power pitcher in major league history who has had more longevity then Clemens? or kept that power...for soo long?
He is also very jacked...which is unlike most pitchers body type's. He is bigger then he was when he was a rookie by a lot! He also basically had a 'Roid Rage against Mike Piazza during the world series. (He hits Piazza in the head w/ a pitch earlier in the year....then when Piazza fouls a ball off...and breaks his bat...Clemens...litterally picks up the bat and throws the shard at Piazza) I've never even heard of a player doing that to another player on a foul ball. - EVER..any player.....(i guess a foul ball just isn't considered as a purposefully aggressive act - go figure)
I mean...there certainly are a lot of guys taking heat for supposedly doing steriods....
I think it is a joke that Clemens' name never comes up in this debate. I am supposed to believe he just has a better training regimine then the rest of baseball over the last 20+ years..(EVERYBODY???)...yeah right! The guy is probably the biggest juicer of them all. and they say the biggest thing 'Roids help with is recovery......Hmmm.... *scratches head*
the guy's penalty??? only 1 million dollars a start! PLEASE.....
I find this very strange. I mean...has there ever been another power pitcher in major league history who has had more longevity then Clemens? or kept that power...for soo long?
He is also very jacked...which is unlike most pitchers body type's. He is bigger then he was when he was a rookie by a lot! He also basically had a 'Roid Rage against Mike Piazza during the world series. (He hits Piazza in the head w/ a pitch earlier in the year....then when Piazza fouls a ball off...and breaks his bat...Clemens...litterally picks up the bat and throws the shard at Piazza) I've never even heard of a player doing that to another player on a foul ball. - EVER..any player.....(i guess a foul ball just isn't considered as a purposefully aggressive act - go figure)
I mean...there certainly are a lot of guys taking heat for supposedly doing steriods....
I think it is a joke that Clemens' name never comes up in this debate. I am supposed to believe he just has a better training regimine then the rest of baseball over the last 20+ years..(EVERYBODY???)...yeah right! The guy is probably the biggest juicer of them all. and they say the biggest thing 'Roids help with is recovery......Hmmm.... *scratches head*
the guy's penalty??? only 1 million dollars a start! PLEASE.....
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"She fell funny"
"Klaus Daimler, 40, engineer, calm, collected, German"
I'm absolutely accusing him w/o any evidence whatsoever!
-Big Fish
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I remember seeing a bit on TV probably 10+ years ago about his intense off-season workouts. If he has been that dedicated during all of his career, I can see how he is in the shape that he is at his age...
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Thats unbelievably ridiculous. Yeah his numbers are definitely odd and unusual. If it came out that he took steroids than i'd be one of the first to boo at him. You can't throw the guy in jail and lock the key w/o even having a trial though
I'm not sure if you are trying to compare this to the Barry Bonds situation and how everyone accuses him of doing hgh and everything or not. If you are though, these are two totally different situations.
"She fell funny"
"Klaus Daimler, 40, engineer, calm, collected, German"
Umm, ever heard of Nolan Ryan? Nolan pitched a no hitter at the age of 44 (his last of 7). He had a very similar body to Clemens.
Also, I actually have heard Clemens' name brought up in many a steroid discussion...the problem is nobody within baseball has accused him...Canseco went out of his way to name McGwire & Sosa. Palmeiro and Giambi tested positive...
Athletes work out year round...they will get bigger than they were in their late teens & early 20s...aren't you?
I have heard his name come up. More than any other pitcher infact.
What I think is a joke is how many people are accused of using roids with nothing to back up the accusations other than being a successful baseball player. The whole roid discussion has become a bore, and I hope it blows over soon.
When he tests positive for something, then maybe I'll care.
that is a fricken great picture!!!!
Nolan is the only guy who can discount my theory though. Doesn't explain the Piazza 'Roid Rage incident of 2000 though.
-Big Fish
Where have people seen his name brought up? any articles to offer? cause that is why i made the post...w/ the host of names thrown around...i personally have never seen Clemens name put into those discussions.
Also...besides Nolan Ryan...does anyone else have a name of a power pitcher who's pitched that long...and soo successfully?
in the history of baseball...is there only two players?
-Big Fish
Randy Johnson will be 44 and is 18 wins from 300. He should get there by next season.
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As for pegging Piazza, I mean, Pedro, who weighs in at like 72 lbs, has hit more ballplayers than Clemens and in a much shorter career...is that roid rage as well? Maybe he'd only weigh 50 lbs without the juice....
"She fell funny"
"Klaus Daimler, 40, engineer, calm, collected, German"
Anyway, Clemens is among the all time greats. Could be natural, or it could be steroids, but until the guy tests positive, I think it doesn't make much sense to claim that he is on steroids. Let's face it, it's obvious that you won't be throwing 98 mph when you're 44, nor will I. But out of the millions that play this game, a small percentage get to do it professionally, a small percentage of them are great, and of the great ones, a small percentage are hall of famers. Why can't Clemens be among the best of the best and the most durable ever? His workout regimen backs him up. These days, he doesn't even have to travel with the team (which is BULLSHIT), but that gives him more rest than any other pitcher in history. Also, it remains to be seen whether he can handle AL Batting again-- He might come back and suck, and where will the roids talk be then? Anyway I hope he can produce, I'm a Yankee fan, after all.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2000/2000/1022/833644.html
a bit different then Pedro Martinez peggin' guys. Clemens throws a sharp wooden bat at player coming down the line. WOW....
-Big Fish
So are we going to bring up roid-rage when any athlete in a emotionally charged situation does something overly aggressive and stupid... Hell, players flip out every week in the NFL and those guys get tested.
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LOL! You just brought it all back to me. It is kinda true....I mean, Pedro has always pegged guys for crowding....That Clemens display was disgusting and seemingly totally out of character for a guy we all respected so much...
Maybe you're on to something...now all u need is some Clemens pee in a bottle, vintage 2000!!
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That damn roid rage strikes again.
Hahaha. I'll always remember that highlight
He got sooooo mad at that bird.....just went off on it haha.
"She fell funny"
"Klaus Daimler, 40, engineer, calm, collected, German"
~Michael Bolton
and julio franco is a bigger steroid freak than any of them....
48 years old????
gimme a break......
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
personally, i've never heard his name come up concerning steroids. ever. and the amount of years he's been in the big leagues, he must have had at least one random test done by now. i'll reserve judgement for the likes of palmeiro, bonds, giambi............
~Michael Bolton
right???
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I've actually heard he's done them. My ? is the one from above. Why does he always wait around to decide. Could be to let the toxins leave his body for testing purposes. I would guess HGH before steroids, but that's been tossed around. The MLB steroids testing program is kind of a joke anyway. You have to be a moron to get caught. I can't stand Clemens and it wouldn't surprise me. But it's been brought up before. Hopefully he gets caught, but I doubt it. This is probably harder to break through than the mafia.
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Well Clemens' name has come up via his personal trainor, Brian McNamee, in the steroid controversy. Brian McNamee was named by Jason Grimsley who was Clemens teammate with the Yankees as the man who put him in touch with a source to buy HGH in an affidavit after being busted last year.
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right. and so has mine. and so has my wifes. and so has my mothers. and so has my best friends. and so has his girlfriends. and so has my uncles. the list goes on and on. and none of us has ever even seen steroids, let alone use them. don't tell me you're willing to convict the guy because over his long career his body size has changed. give me something concrete, other than gossip from the grapevine, and i'll be right next to you saying he's a cheater. i'd like to see a failed test result.
so the relation in all this is clemens had (or has) a trainer that provided the name of someone that got hgh to a former teammate of his? how does that translate to clemens taking steroids or hgh? guilty by association?
~Michael Bolton
Sunday, October 01, 2006
Steroid Era News: Clemens, Pettitte, Tejada, Gibbons, Roberts & Segui Named in Grimsley Affidavit
Five of the redacted names from the Jason Grimsley Affadavit by IRS Special Agent, Jeff Novitzky finally leaked to the media after four months of speculation. Multiple media outlets have now published the redacted names of six former teammates including David Segui who confessed to ESPN that he was taking human growth hormone legally.
The report, first surfacing in the Los Angeles Times, said an anonymous source with access to the unedited version of the affidavit, let the newspaper view it, but didn't turn over the document. The Times said a second source who had identified the other players provided additional details about the document.
Grimsley told investigators he obtained amphetamines, anabolic steroids and human growth hormone from a source recommended to him by former Yankees trainer Brian McNamee. McNamee was the personal strength coach for Roger Clemens and Andy Pettitte when Grimsley played for the Yankees. Later in the Affidavit, Grimsley confirmed that Clemens and Pettitte both used ‘athletic performance-enhancing drugs.”
The affidavit also states that Grimsley told federal agents that former Orioles teammates Miguel Tejada, Brian Roberts and Jay Gibbons all "took anabolic steroids."
On Wednesday, Gibbons told ESPN The Magazine's Amy K. Nelson he hadn’t seen a copy of the affidavit but was told by his agent and other journalists that his name was in it. He also said he assumed he was named as part of the group to which Grimsley referred when discussing amphetamines.
ESPN also reported that according to three sources, the Orioles' front office held separate meetings with Tejada, Gibbons and Roberts in June. The meetings took place to inform the players that their names were rumored to be on the affidavit, and that they should all consult their lawyers. According to one source in the room, the meeting was simply a heads-up, and no other detailed information from the affidavit was shared.
The sixth player named in the affidavit was former teammate David Segui. Segui came forward in June admitting he was the player mentioned who was using hGH he got from a doctor. He said his use was legal, obtained with a valid prescription. Segui conceded he never informed Major League Baseball of his hGH use as was required.
Grimsley was never arrested and has not been charged with anything. Since the report surfaced in the media last June, Grimsley has complained to friends that federal agents attributed statements to him that he never made. A friend of Grimsley’s said, “Jason is loyal to the death, a hardheaded guy who would not give up his friends. The only names he discussed with those investigators were names … [the investigators] suggested to him."
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