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Why do titles change from the UK to the US?

soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
edited November 2007 in All Encompassing Trip
speaks for itself. the first harry potter is called "the philosopher's stone" there, "sorcerer's stone" here. the "golden compass" was called "northern lights" over there. what gives? why the change?
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  • GreenTeaDiseaseGreenTeaDisease Posts: 3,359
    soulsinging wrote:
    speaks for itself. the first harry potter is called "the philosopher's stone" there, "sorcerer's stone" here. the "golden compass" was called "northern lights" over there. what gives? why the change?

    well as far as I understand the Harry Potter case, the publisher didn't think "philosopher" would sell to american kids. Also why J.K. Rowling is "Joanne" on the books in Europe- there's been marketing research that american boys won't read books written by women.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    GreenTeaDisease wrote:
    well as far as I understand the Harry Potter case, the publisher didn't think "philosopher" would sell to american kids. Also why J.K. Rowling is "Joanne" on the books in Europe- there's been marketing research that american boys won't read books written by women.

    i really wish that weren't true, but it sounds pretty plausible. i've heard about boys not reading books by women and i suppose that makes sense. but the other one... if it's true it's ironclad proof our culture is fucking dumber than bricks.
  • smarcheesmarchee Posts: 14,539
    GreenTeaDisease wrote:
    well as far as I understand the Harry Potter case, the publisher didn't think "philosopher" would sell to american kids.

    This is true, also true with the movie.
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  • GreenTeaDiseaseGreenTeaDisease Posts: 3,359
    soulsinging wrote:
    i really wish that weren't true, but it sounds pretty plausible. i've heard about boys not reading books by women and i suppose that makes sense. but the other one... if it's true it's ironclad proof our culture is fucking dumber than bricks.

    I don't think it was really an issue of being dumber...I think the word "philosopher" is more common and has a slightly different meaning in the UK or something- or it has multiple meanings, where as it really doesn't here...something like that.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    GreenTeaDisease wrote:
    I don't think it was really an issue of being dumber...I think the word "philosopher" is more common and has a slightly different meaning in the UK or something- or it has multiple meanings, where as it really doesn't here...something like that.

    where are our brits at? someone's got to be able to speak to this. i just figured it meant americans think anything to do with heavy thought is too lame to read and sorcerer's are cool. maybe it's not that.

    i still think the average american is a fucking idiot though.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    its actually cos they realise americans are a bit more, ehhhh, ignorant for lack of a better word, of the world around them


    the best example i can think of is that the brilliant move "Madness of King George III" was released in America as "The Madness of King George"


    this was done cos US test marketing found that a surprising amount of the general US public thought it was the third film in a trilogy :o
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • harmless_little_f***harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    dunkman wrote:
    its actually cos they realise americans are a bit more, ehhhh, ignorant for lack of a better word, of the world around them


    the best example i can think of is that the brilliant move "Madness of King George III" was released in America as "The Madness of King George"


    this was done cos US test marketing found that a surprising amount of the general US public thought it was the third film in a trilogy :o

    AHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    I get the whole philosopher thing (vaguely) but why they had to change Northern Lights into the Golden Compass I have no fecking idea. It eludes me. I mean, doesn't Alaska have its own sky phenomenon like the Northern Lights? So it's not as if they haven't heard of them.
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  • libragirllibragirl Posts: 4,632
    I guess the English are more sophisticated. They have to dumb things down for Americans....
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  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    GreenTeaDisease wrote:
    I don't think it was really an issue of being dumber...I think the word "philosopher" is more common and has a slightly different meaning in the UK or something-

    simply not true i'm afraid.. a philosopher is a philosopher in the UK... and its not any more or less common than sorcerer...

    its because the word 'philosopher' is less known IN THE US.. not because we in the UK use it more
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    soulsinging wrote:
    i still think the average american is a fucking idiot though.

    the average Brit is a fucking idiot as well... we just know what philosopher means :D
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    dunkman wrote:
    its actually cos they realise americans are a bit more, ehhhh, ignorant for lack of a better word, of the world around them

    the best example i can think of is that the brilliant move "Madness of King George III" was released in America as "The Madness of King George"

    this was done cos US test marketing found that a surprising amount of the general US public thought it was the third film in a trilogy :o

    that sounds a lot like a joke that has become a "true" urban legend. but in general, the sentiment is sadly true.
  • chinobaezachinobaeza Posts: 2,489
    dunkman wrote:
    the best example i can think of is that the brilliant move "Madness of King George III" was released in America as "The Madness of King George"


    this was done cos US test marketing found that a surprising amount of the general US public thought it was the third film in a trilogy :o
    LOL....please tell me your are joking!!
    :D:D:D:D
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    dunkman wrote:
    the average Brit is a fucking idiot as well... we just know what philosopher means :D

    i think americans do too. they just think "philosopher? that sounds like sitting around thinking and talking. no good. we hate thinking. sorcerer? now we're talking! swords, magic, dungeons and dragons! bruce lee kicking ass in the movie! let's do it!"
  • harmless_little_f***harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    dunkman wrote:
    simply not true i'm afraid.. a philosopher is a philosopher in the UK... and its not any more or less common than sorcerer...

    its because the word 'philosopher' is less known IN THE US.. not because we in the UK use it more

    Surely 'Philsopher' and 'sorceror' could not be any more different, in anyone's language.

    Unless they were 'garden gnome' and 'jet fighter'...
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,521
    soulsinging wrote:
    speaks for itself. the first harry potter is called "the philosopher's stone" there, "sorcerer's stone" here. the "golden compass" was called "northern lights" over there. what gives? why the change?

    yeah how about when they translate those titles to spanish ....
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  • libragirllibragirl Posts: 4,632
    It's kind of offensive...I'm sure Britain has it's fair share of dumbasses too. But yeah that's how it goes.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    josevolution wrote:
    yeah how about when they translate those titles to spanish ....

    i can understand a difficulty changing to another language. but we speak the same language. it has to be about context or market data. what is the spanish title? is it based off the american or british one?
  • harmless_little_f***harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    soulsinging wrote:
    i can understand a difficulty changing to another language. but we speak the same language. it has to be about context or market data. what is the spanish title? is it based off the american or british one?

    I wonder if they'll just change it to 'El Poco Amigo' just to allow the widest possible audience.
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    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    soulsinging wrote:
    i think americans do too. they just think "philosopher? that sounds like sitting around thinking and talking. no good. we hate thinking. sorcerer? now we're talking! swords, magic, dungeons and dragons! bruce lee kicking ass in the movie! let's do it!"


    i'd agree with you there amigo :)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    AHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    I get the whole philosopher thing (vaguely) but why they had to change Northern Lights into the Golden Compass I have no fecking idea. It eludes me. I mean, doesn't Alaska have its own sky phenomenon like the Northern Lights? So it's not as if they haven't heard of them.


    i guarantee you that a nation of people who believe that the entire UK comprises of just England have no idea what the Northern Lights are... and as Souly said... Golden Compass means adventure, intrigue, etc... Northern Lights might make them think... hmmmm a movie about Eskimo electricians.


    me: i'm from the UK
    guy: hey man you're from the England!!! cool
    me: nah.. Scotland.. the UK?
    guy: isnt the UK just England?
    me: what fucking part of 'united' confuses you?
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • chimechime Posts: 7,839
    The philosophers stone comes from alchemy and according to legend could turn metal into gold.

    Don't understand The Golden Compass one either as it isn't a compass it's an aliethiometer :p
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  • harmless_little_f***harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    dunkman wrote:
    i guarantee you that a nation of people who believe that the entire UK comprises of just England have no idea what the Northern Lights are... and as Souly said... Golden Compass means adventure, intrigue, etc... Northern Lights might make them think... hmmmm a movie about Eskimo electricians.


    me: i'm from the UK
    guy: hey man you're from the England!!! cool
    me: nah.. Scotland.. the UK?
    guy: isnt the UK just England?
    me: what fucking part of 'united' confuses you?

    And then you could take them to a Manchester United game, just to see the look on their face. 'Yeah, some people just call them 'Man U' or 'United'. :D
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • KannKann Posts: 1,146
    Chime wrote:
    The philosophers stone comes from alchemy and according to legend could turn metal into gold.

    Don't understand The Golden Compass one either as it isn't a compass it's an aliethiometer :P

    Yes, I think the editor was afraid of the confusion : philosopher's stone the alchemy material and philosospher : the boring guy who talks too much. Didn't want to convey a wrong impression.
    I think the Northern lights is the same type of stuff, it's supposed to be the aurora borealis, but may be confused as just basic lights from the north I guess :).
  • harmless_little_f***harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    Chime wrote:
    The philosophers stone comes from alchemy and according to legend could turn metal into gold.

    Don't understand The Golden Compass one either as it isn't a compass it's an aliethiometer :p

    I don't think the Golden Aliethiometer has the same ring to it. ;)
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    I don't think the Golden Aliethiometer has the same ring to it. ;)


    the Aureate Aliethiometer ;):D
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • chimechime Posts: 7,839
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    I don't think the Golden Aliethiometer has the same ring to it. ;)

    Nah ... but The Northern Lights doesn't sound too bad ;)
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  • chinobaezachinobaeza Posts: 2,489
    soulsinging wrote:
    i can understand a difficulty changing to another language. but we speak the same language. it has to be about context or market data. what is the spanish title? is it based off the american or british one?
    british
    the philosopher's stone = la piedra filosofal
    northern lights = Luces del norte
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    chinobaeza wrote:
    british
    the philosopher's stone = la piedra filosofal
    northern lights = Luces del norte

    stupid americans.

    for the record, northern lights is a much cooler title than golden compass. maybe they thought it would encourage drug use in kids? god knows we're pretty paranoid about that nonsense. what about the second book or later harry potter books? are those the same? im surprised subtle knife passed muster... subtlety is not very american.
  • MattCameronKicksButtMattCameronKicksButt Posts: 4,317
    I remember when the 'Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles' was changed to '...Hero Turtles' in this country because someone objected to the word 'Ninja'.
  • LizardLizard Posts: 12,091
    soulsinging wrote:
    i still think the average american is a fucking idiot though.

    makes me glad I am not "average"!! :)
    MattCameronKicksButt wrote:
    I remember when the 'Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles' was changed to '...Hero Turtles' in this country because someone objected to the word 'Ninja'.
    but not the word Mutant? that's funny.
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