So the Penguins may trade Evgeni Malkin to the Kings...

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edited June 2008 in All Encompassing Trip
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Report-Penguins-offer-Malkin-to-Kings-for-block?urn=nhl,88994

As a HUGE Pens fan I have mixed feelings on this. The economics in the NHL make things like this inevitable as there is no way to keep everyone together very long.

The way I see it, with Sid already locked up, they know they want to keep Fleury and Staal, but have to decide between Hossa and Malkin.

Going by age alone it's hard to go against Geno, but Hossa looked better in the playoffs IMO and definitely has chemistry with Sid.

Do you risk watching him walk next year and get nothing for him and his ego?
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  • NY PJ1NY PJ1 Posts: 9,533
    MALKIN TO THE RANGERS?
    Posted 11:29 AM ET | Comments 14 Ok,Ok this is just speculation but the Rangers and the Pens have a deep history of making trades. So no one can respond that the Pens would never move one of the best centers in the game to a division rival. But with hints in the air that Malkin may become expendable if Hossa signs back on in the Steel city,it's got to be explored.Looking back on past trades,the two teams may have appeared to be South American gun runners and not NHl clubs with all the fire power moving east to west. In 98 the Rangers sent Kovalev to PA for Petr Nedved hoping to fill in their center position. In 2003 the Rangers sent a slew of marginal players and Stanley Cup champ Mikael Samuelson to the Pens to take him back. In Aug 1995 the Rangers would make one of their worst deals in history sending Sergei Zubov and Petr Nedved to the Pens for Luc Robitaille and Ulf Samuelsson. The deal has been recently deemed the worst in recent history on Blueshirtbulletin.com.,in a fan poll. Even though both teams failed to reach their Stanley cup goals after making these deals, their sure wasn't a lack of star power and possibilities.

    The Rangers are firm on committing to youth and development,while playing around a core of Drury,Gomez,and Lundqvist.I also know they need another legitimate D-Man on the point such as Jay-BOW.But to imagine a line of Malkin with Alexei Cherepanov,and Anisimov (now on the wing) is a really something to ponder. The Penguins like the Rangers,are on the path of greatness. However, it's clear that they have their poster boy already and with Sid in town Malkin holds back a gear. Evgeni had no problem shifting the Ferrari into 4th at Madison Square Garden,and his postseason performance vs. the Rangers had an edge. It's been rumored that Malkin ( who is English shy) is holding Penguins brass under AK-47 pressure,to keep fellow countrymen Sergei Gonchar in black and gold longer term. Would Malkin press hard for a deal to the Rangers knowing that Brooklyn's Brighton Beach is one of the largest Russian communities stateside. It's no fluke that after the Rangers had drafted Cherepanov 17th overall last year in the draft ,that the club was snapping pictures with sexy Russian models in the neighborhood. With NY's ethnic diversity they can play cards that other cities can't and when Sergei Zubov was moved in 95 he missed the city and its proximity to the Brooklyn Moscow. Not only would Malkin have 3 fellow Russians on the club ( assuming Tyutin is not part of the deal),but his agent must drool over the idea of seeing his clients image,jersey,and product all over Manhattan buildings.

    I'll let most of you guys figure out possible trade scenarios but,here's some options.Te Rangers could let the Pens pick from any one of several young forwards but Petr Prucha looks to be the most attractive. He could play on the wing with Sid and Hossa and his 30 goal potential is back again. He is also making just over a million dollars so his salary and wing position allows them to fit him in easily.The Pens may want to add a little grit and scoring on the wing as well so Ryan Callahan and his $575,000 salary ease the potential loss of veterans Ruutu or Malone.The Rangers would also have to provide at least 2 first round picks in this and the next draft. With the Draft as deep as it is this year,the Rangers could use its depth as leverage. The Penguins don't have a first rounder this year because of the Hossa deal with Atlanta,and we all know how the Pens keep their hands near the cookie jar. For the Rangers,they need depth at the defensive position and they will be able to find an adequate blue liner in the second round. As most of the Ranger vets near the end of the road,it's becoming more apparent that they are going to need skilled forwards too. Malkin is a beast on the boards and after taking out Mara's legs ( Bad move),he does play with some snarl. I wonder if a Devil takes a run at Cherepanov,if we wouldn't see him take out a few more legs. Speaking Of Cherepanov,it may make bringing him over next year that much easier. With all the issues with the new Russian League the Rangers could use one more card up their sleeve too. Rangers fans may not have to see many growing pains with Cherepanovs game,as Malkin helped Ryan Malone bring his play to new levels. Adding another 6'3" Anisimov to the opposite wing also opens up room for the Russian sniper,and allows him to cash in on Malkins rebounds. Speaking of rebounds the Rangers have been looking for a PP point man for the last few years and after watching Malkins heavy bomb from the point,is there a better shot out there. They already have explored idea using Straka,Cullen,and even brining in Brian Rolston to man the point.But none of those players are the T-72 tank that Malkin is.Moving back to the deal,the Penguins could have Dan Gerardi, ( although it will burn) to fill in the losses of Brooks Orpik and Mark Eaton.So now that's Gerardi,Callahan,Prucha and two first round picks to get started. Staal is off limits so is Sanguinetti,so take it easy Shero with the demands. He will get offers from the Kings and just about every other NHL team ,but needs to take certain things into account. First,Ranger prospects and players are draft with the size of their heart first. It is no shock that most of our young core is playing with the big club because they worked for it. Much of the Rangers team success is attributed to their accelerated development and their desire to win. Shero Will have to gamble on other NHL prospects and the possibility of throwing a wrench into the Penguins recent success and Therriens defensive system. Rangers young forwards aren't shy of back checking and adding 8 possible matches and amped up adrenaline never hurts. Last Shero has to consider that the NHL is no longer the only main option,especially for European superstars. Russian League loopholes are allowing NHL players to jump ship and sign contracts despite NHL commitments. If Malkin starts throwing around threats,it's possible that he could sway a deal to NY over LA.
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  • RygarRygar Posts: 8,689
    "As for the Penguins, our simple, flawed human minds can't process the absurd notion that the team could somehow be choosing Hossa over Malkin. So let's forget about that angle. "
    This line pretty much sums it up.
    I wouldn't believe it until it happened.


    Stop posting that convoluted dribble, NY PJ1!!
  • NY PJ1NY PJ1 Posts: 9,533
    Rygar wrote:
    "As for the Penguins, our simple, flawed human minds can't process the absurd notion that the team could somehow be choosing Hossa over Malkin. So let's forget about that angle. "
    This line pretty much sums it up.
    I wouldn't believe it until it happened.


    Stop posting that convoluted dribble, NY PJ1!!


    hey im just posting the fact that their are articles and rumors out there

    fact is they have to trade someone
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    as the only kings fan here allow me to chime in......would someone please tell Lombardi we need a goalie....yeah i know not an important player :rolleyes: but it would be nice not to give up 4-5 goals an evening ;)
  • RygarRygar Posts: 8,689
    NY PJ1 wrote:
    hey im just posting the fact that their are articles and rumors out there

    fact is they have to trade someone
    Anyone can make up a rumor, as evidenced by that wishful thinking some rangers fan is posting.
    At least keep the rumor stuff to legitimate sources.
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    about 98% of trade rumors and free agent rumors never happen, so I'll just wait and see what Shero does...
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,160
    I'm glad the Red Wings can get their top players to sign for below market value.

    I think the Pens would be foolish to let him go. And I don't think they are fools. My guess is we will see a minimum of three more years of this duo.
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  • rival.rival. Chicago Posts: 7,775
    malkin is sure going to look great in red, white and blue next season. with him on the rangers, the line combinations are endless!
  • RygarRygar Posts: 8,689
    malkin is sure going to look great in red, white and blue next season. with him on the rangers, the line combinations are endless!
    Well with Gomez and Drury gone, Shanahan retiring, Henrik playing in Europe, and Avery on sabbattical for the year it isn't so rosy after all.
  • chromiamchromiam Posts: 4,114
    Rygar wrote:
    Well with Gomez and Drury gone, Shanahan retiring, Henrik playing in Europe, and Avery on sabbattical for the year it isn't so rosy after all.

    hahahaha... he would look good in orange and black but it would never happen, and I don't necessarily think I would want him on this team.
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  • RygarRygar Posts: 8,689
    chromiam wrote:
    hahahaha... he would look good in orange and black but it would never happen, and I don't necessarily think I would want him on this team.
    How could you not want him on the team for any reason other than he can't be afforded ;)
  • chromiamchromiam Posts: 4,114
    Rygar wrote:
    How could you not want him on the team for any reason other than he can't be afforded ;)

    don't know how he would mesh with this group of players.... comes off as aloof (could be lack of English) and really didn't look to have alot of heart in the playoffs
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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    If Malkin is traded, I don't see why it would be this year... He still has one year left on his rookie contract, so even if he doesn't fit in the Pens future financial plans, I don't see why they wouldn't sign him to an extension and trade him next summer before the big money kicks in. They would lose a little leverage, but there would still be a lot of teams lining up for him knowing they will have him locked in for several years.
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  • RygarRygar Posts: 8,689
    chromiam wrote:
    don't know how he would mesh with this group of players.... comes off as aloof (could be lack of English) and really didn't look to have alot of heart in the playoffs
    This is true, but his playoff disappearance can be said for someone on all our teams (many on mine ;)), and look at his regular season performance...
    He's young, too, so even if you just plain don't like him you have to cut him a little slack for that (relates to Price).
  • Yeah if he deals him, Shero has the right idea.

    Western Conference.

    Regardless of their "trade history", there is absolutely no way that he gets traded to the Rangers or anyone else in the division.
  • RygarRygar Posts: 8,689
    If Malkin is traded, I don't see why it would be this year... He still has one year left on his rookie contract, so even if he doesn't fit in the Pens future financial plans, I don't see why they wouldn't sign him to an extension and trade him next summer before the big money kicks in. They would lose a little leverage, but there would still be a lot of teams lining up for him knowing they will have him locked in for several years.
    The problem is if they trade him now they'll get a shit load for him, and if they wait a year they have no guarantees that anyone will take that risky bait.
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Rygar wrote:
    The problem is if they trade him now they'll get a shit load for him, and if they wait a year they have no guarantees that anyone will take that risky bait.

    I just can't see his value going down next year... He made such a huge improvement from year one to year two.
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  • chromiamchromiam Posts: 4,114
    If Malkin is traded, I don't see why it would be this year... He still has one year left on his rookie contract, so even if he doesn't fit in the Pens future financial plans, I don't see why they wouldn't sign him to an extension and trade him next summer before the big money kicks in. They would lose a little leverage, but there would still be a lot of teams lining up for him knowing they will have him locked in for several years.

    It's all about money, if you let him finish the contract, then he can command top dollar from any team and basically hold them hostage against each other (even if the Pens trade his rights) and the Pens would get nothing for him (I believe) unless they make a trade. The upside to trading him this year, is that the team who gets him, has him under contract for a year, and can work on signing a long term deal without outside pressure from other teams.
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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    chromiam wrote:
    It's all about money, if you let him finish the contract, then he can command top dollar from any team and basically hold them hostage against each other (even if the Pens trade his rights) and the Pens would get nothing for him (I believe) unless they make a trade. The upside to trading him this year, is that the team who gets him, has him under contract for a year, and can work on signing a long term deal without outside pressure from other teams.

    I can see that...

    If they wait until next year to resign him and risk losing him, how many teams do you think will forgo 4 first round picks to sign him?

    At first my reaction would be just about every team, but when you think about it, 4 first round picks really kills the future of any team.
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  • RygarRygar Posts: 8,689
    I can see that...

    If they wait until next year to resign him and risk losing him, how many teams do you think will forgo 4 first round picks to sign him?

    At first my reaction would be just about every team, but when you think about it, 4 first round picks really kills the future of any team.
    His value won't be going down (much if at all).
    The Pens just wouldn't get a very good deal for his bargaining rights if they waited until next year as they would for him and still under contract for a season.
  • what you are all failing to see is that this rumor came from bruce garrioch who has as much credibility as scott stapp. He's worse than Larry Brooks if that's possible. Malkin is going nowhere especially for camilleri who is a ufa next year. Don't you think they'd at least ask for kopitar or dustin brown? or better yet crosby's good friend jack johnson?
    Malkin just said he'd give the pens a discount, why trade him? i'd let hossa go before i'd trade malkin.

    And don't get me started on that blog from a rangers fan. prucha and callahan? are you serious. Quit making playstation trades and posting them as fact.
  • RygarRygar Posts: 8,689
    what you are all failing to see is that this rumor came from bruce garrioch who has as much credibility as scott stapp. He's worse than Larry Brooks if that's possible. Malkin is going nowhere especially for camilleri who is a ufa next year. Don't you think they'd at least ask for kopitar or dustin brown? or better yet crosby's good friend jack johnson?
    Malkin just said he'd give the pens a discount, why trade him? i'd let hossa go before i'd trade malkin.

    And don't get me started on that blog from a rangers fan. prucha and callahan? are you serious. Quit making playstation trades and posting them as fact.
    We're not all forgetting. Some of us dismissed the rumors before going on to arguing.
    Aside from that, good point on Camilleri. He's in the same boat as Malkin as far as time periods go, so they'd have the same situation but be paying less dough.


    PS: I just laughed my ass off at "Playstation trades". Good one!
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Quit making playstation trades and posting them as fact.


    Lol... and it will only get worse as we get closer to July 1st...
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  • Rygar wrote:
    We're not all forgetting. Some of us dismissed the rumors before going on to arguing.
    Aside from that, good point on Camilleri. He's in the same boat as Malkin as far as time periods go, so they'd have the same situation but be paying less dough.


    PS: I just laughed my ass off at "Playstation trades". Good one!

    Yeah, camilleri alone makes that whole rumor not make a lot of sense. It gives the hockey fanatics something to talk about i guess.. That said i can't wait until july 1.
  • Malkin isn't getting traded... if anything Staal will get traded.
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  • http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Report-Penguins-offer-Malkin-to-Kings-for-block?urn=nhl,88994

    As a HUGE Pens fan I have mixed feelings on this. The economics in the NHL make things like this inevitable as there is no way to keep everyone together very long.

    The way I see it, with Sid already locked up, they know they want to keep Fleury and Staal, but have to decide between Hossa and Malkin.

    Going by age alone it's hard to go against Geno, but Hossa looked better in the playoffs IMO and definitely has chemistry with Sid.

    Do you risk watching him walk next year and get nothing for him and his ego?

    Crosby is so good, a bag of broken pucks would have good chemistry with him.

    Mike Krushliniski scored 51 goals playing iwth Gretzky... yeah who ? tahts right...
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  • kenshuntkenshunt London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,863
    He was a bum in the cup finals, but if u want him for the regular season and parts of 3 rounds snag him up.
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  • Crosby is so good, a bag of broken pucks would have good chemistry with him.

    Mike Krushliniski scored 51 goals playing iwth Gretzky... yeah who ? tahts right...


    Yeah really... and Rob Brown putting up 49 goals playing with Lemieux?

    As far as Malkin and Staal goes, I think they would deal Malkin first simply because of the salary he will be able to command. Staal is going to keep getting better and is a more sound defensive player and critical to the PK, yet won't break the bank to keep. Plus, they refused to include him in the Hossa deal so why would they change their mind anytime soon?
  • kenshuntkenshunt London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,863
    Originally Posted by EquallyWorthless
    Crosby is so good, a bag of broken pucks would have good chemistry with him.

    Mike Krushliniski scored 51 goals playing iwth Gretzky... yeah who ? tahts right...

    I know Krushlinski, he played for Leafs :p
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