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  • Indian Summer
    Indian Summer Posts: 2,296
    basically a Frat is a college version of a High school "clique". Yeah, you make friends with people you have stuff in common with, but you shut out the rest.
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  • tylerpjtx
    tylerpjtx Posts: 201
    Indian Summer wrote:
    basically a Frat is a college version of a High school "clique". Yeah, you make friends with people you have stuff in common with, but you shut out the rest.
    i understand what u mean. but we're pretty accepting of people at my chapter...we always have ppl over to hang out and stuff. its different at different schools. sucks hows negative an image frats have. the point isnt to be exclusive...the point is similar tastes and networking opportunities and meeting folks u can learn some stuff from...not that u cant from non greeks...its just a huge institution where u can meet a lot of folks.
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  • Indian Summer
    Indian Summer Posts: 2,296
    tylerpjtx wrote:
    i understand what u mean. but we're pretty accepting of people at my chapter...we always have ppl over to hang out and stuff. its different at different schools. sucks hows negative an image frats have. the point isnt to be exclusive...the point is similar tastes and networking opportunities and meeting folks u can learn some stuff from...not that u cant from non greeks...its just a huge institution where u can meet a lot of folks.

    That's cool if you need that kind of security.
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  • tylerpjtx
    tylerpjtx Posts: 201
    Indian Summer wrote:
    That's cool if you need that kind of security.
    fuck u man...thats ridiculous. open up your mind. generalizations about frats are the same as any other generalization...learn about shit before you knock it.
    all these burning battlefields are now behind us, life has brought us here together to remind us, that love will rise above it all and just keep growin, life keeps flowing and every moment starts right here with us
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  • Indian Summer
    Indian Summer Posts: 2,296
    tylerpjtx wrote:
    fuck u man...thats ridiculous. open up your mind. generalizations about frats are the same as any other generalization...learn about shit before you knock it.


    Oh no!!! I made drunken Frat-Boy Angry! Grow up dude. Frats are for socially retarded people.
    "It's all happening"
  • iamsampj
    iamsampj Posts: 784
    scot88 wrote:
    you remember those popular kids from high school? the ones that didn't care about anyone else but themselves, not even the other kids in the popular group....


    well, i hate to generalize, but nearly all of those kids go greek. it's just the cold hard facts. yeah, i know a few decent people in frats, but they are 1 in at least 50. the rest of them are self-righteous, arrogant, not accepting of non-greek people, etc.


    i personally don't see the point of them. all that "self-improvement" nonsense is bullshit. if you wanted that, you would join the national service fraternity, or one of the major-specific ones.
    i see where your're coming from, i definitely believed the same stereotypes when i came to college. i was talked into going through sorority recruitment by a friend as a way for me to just meet friends. i found a group of girls who were very accepting of all types of people...there was definitely not a mold and we were not easily stereotyped. i assumed that everyone wore bows in their hair and were all named "mindy" or "brittany"...vomit. but...i was wrong.

    at some schools, joining a greek organization is one of the easiest ways to become involved on campus. it made it easier for me to navigate different groups on campus, there was more awareness than if i would've gone about it on my own.

    it's a personal decision, and obviously not for everyone. as i stated before...i even started to hate it after awhile. i don't think people should be so quick to judge someone who was/is in a greek organization without getting to know them first...then it is no different than what people believe about those in fraternities/sororities (being exclusive and non-accepting).
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    a fratboy raped my gf. all of their parties insisted that any guy going had to bring 2 girls. so if i was town, my gf couldnt take me anywhere without finding another girl willing to go with us solo. then they had separate kegs for girls and guys. needless to say, the girls were all made considerably drunker. and when one of them took her upstairs to show her where she could pass out, she woke up no longer a virgin.

    you take that long distance phone call in the morning with your gf sobbing about what those guys did to her at their party and tell me frats are cool.
  • SoonForgotten2
    SoonForgotten2 Posts: 2,245
    cropdustress wrote:
    I've never understood this whole sorority/fraternity thing, since I'm from a foreign country and we don't have these... But I was always wondering about
    these, cause in the movies they always seem to have negative connotations...
    This thread makes me understand the whole thing a little better...

    This, dear Sid, is what frat's are all about-

    tylerpjtx wrote:
    fuck u man
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  • GraySaturday
    GraySaturday Posts: 2,878
    soulsinging wrote:
    a fratboy raped my gf. all of their parties insisted that any guy going had to bring 2 girls. so if i was town, my gf couldnt take me anywhere without finding another girl willing to go with us solo. then they had separate kegs for girls and guys. needless to say, the girls were all made considerably drunker. and when one of them took her upstairs to show her where she could pass out, she woke up no longer a virgin.

    you take that long distance phone call in the morning with your gf sobbing about what those guys did to her at their party and tell me frats are cool.

    wow, there are no words for that. Seriously. Sadly enough, I must say knowing a lot of the frats at my school, this isn't an isolated event.

    Horrible.
  • Brain of J.Lo
    Brain of J.Lo Posts: 3,259
    soulsinging wrote:
    a fratboy raped my gf. all of their parties insisted that any guy going had to bring 2 girls. so if i was town, my gf couldnt take me anywhere without finding another girl willing to go with us solo. then they had separate kegs for girls and guys. needless to say, the girls were all made considerably drunker. and when one of them took her upstairs to show her where she could pass out, she woke up no longer a virgin.

    you take that long distance phone call in the morning with your gf sobbing about what those guys did to her at their party and tell me frats are cool.

    That's fucking horrible.

    When my older sister was in college (back in the early 80's), there was a frat party at her school during which a girl got drunk and passed out, and then was stripped of her clothes and tied to the banister. They all took turns writing obscenities on her body and molesting her. This resulted in a huge overhauling of the greek system at her school...and it resulted in me not wanting to ever take part in that lifestyle.
  • tylerpjtx
    tylerpjtx Posts: 201
    SoonForgotten2 wrote:
    This, dear Sid, is what frat's are all about-
    obviously you didnt read ANYTHING else i said. he called me out so i called him out right back. quit being so close minded. i started this thread so anyone who was greek could talk about it...not so ppl could bash greek systems. if i'm the first person to ever say "fuck you" then i guess i'm just a huge douchebag. read my first post on this thread...tell me i'm a typical frat boy who's not understanding of other ppl...

    and soulsinging, sorry that happend to your girl man...that sucks bad. sry those guys were such assholes.
    all these burning battlefields are now behind us, life has brought us here together to remind us, that love will rise above it all and just keep growin, life keeps flowing and every moment starts right here with us
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  • iamsampj
    iamsampj Posts: 784
    soulsinging wrote:
    a fratboy raped my gf. all of their parties insisted that any guy going had to bring 2 girls. so if i was town, my gf couldnt take me anywhere without finding another girl willing to go with us solo. then they had separate kegs for girls and guys. needless to say, the girls were all made considerably drunker. and when one of them took her upstairs to show her where she could pass out, she woke up no longer a virgin.

    you take that long distance phone call in the morning with your gf sobbing about what those guys did to her at their party and tell me frats are cool.
    that sucks.
    that's weird about the separate kegs...i wouldve left after finding that out!!
    I hated one fraternity after a hazing incident where a friends nose was nearly ripped off his face when him and a group of pledges were thrown from 2 trucks playing chicken. some can be pretty shitty, but they tend to get kicked off campus...as this group did.
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  • DOSW
    DOSW Posts: 2,014
    Wow, some of the anti-frat generalizations on here are disgusting. I would never join a frat because it's just not my thing, and sure, some of the people in them are complete asswipes... but I would never generalize and say that they are ALL like that. Come on now. You have no right to generalize, ESPECIALLY if you've never been in one.
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  • Indian Summer
    Indian Summer Posts: 2,296
    DOSW wrote:
    Wow, some of the anti-frat generalizations on here are disgusting.

    It's not a generalization....its truth! That's what frats do, they Judge people to see if they meet their "standards". Who the fuck are these drunken idiots to pass judgment on anyone? The whole greek life thing is a waste of time, and money. If and when I have kids and they think they're gonna do that shit, I'll cut their college funding off.
    "It's all happening"
  • DOSW
    DOSW Posts: 2,014
    Indian Summer wrote:
    It's not a generalization....its truth! That's what frats do, they Judge people to see if they meet their "standards". Who the fuck are these drunken idiots to pass judgment on anyone? The whole greek life thing is a waste of time, and money. If and when I have kids and they think they're gonna do that shit, I'll cut their college funding off.

    Give me a fucking break man. There are bad guys and good guys in all frats... you can't judge them all by the actions of the more vocal portion of the group.
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  • Indian Summer
    Indian Summer Posts: 2,296
    DOSW wrote:
    Give me a fucking break man. There are bad guys and good guys in all frats... you can't judge them all by the actions of the more vocal portion of the group.

    well...I have yet to meet a "good" one.
    "It's all happening"
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    DOSW wrote:
    Wow, some of the anti-frat generalizations on here are disgusting. I would never join a frat because it's just not my thing, and sure, some of the people in them are complete asswipes... but I would never generalize and say that they are ALL like that. Come on now. You have no right to generalize, ESPECIALLY if you've never been in one.

    sure, not every person in a frat is evil. but the system itself is corrupt. it's a holdover from the good ole boy days. it's about building your little boys club and trying to get away with as much as you can under the guise of brotherhood. it's about networking and enabling in the worst senses of the word. an attempt at privilege. and what happened to my gf is by no means rare. everyone i've ever spoken to who went to a frat party has recounted to me some sort of sexual harassment or borderline date rape. they plan this shit. it's like a built in wingman to enable and protect date rapists and an excuse for otherwise decent guys to engage in disgusting practices with the support and encouragement of their brothers in the name of frat bonding and friendly competition. and it's disgusting.

    not everyone in a frat is a bad person. but the frat system is outdated and unnecessary and should be done away with.
  • Motown322
    Motown322 Posts: 465
    soulsinging wrote:
    they plan this shit. it's like a built in wingman to enable and protect date rapists and an excuse for otherwise decent guys to engage in disgusting practices with the support and encouragement of their brothers in the name of frat bonding and friendly competition.

    I think we can all agree that the situation with your GF was horrible, but stating that fraternities exist simply to give guys an avenue to commit sexual assault and rape is a truckload of horseshit. Asshole fraternity guys are assholes before they join, and they'd be assholes if they weren't in a fraternity. You don't automatically turn into one 5 seconds after initiation. People are always shocked when they find out I was in a fraternity in college ("you're not a frat guy!!!!!!") because of the lame stereotypes people have against them. If you don't like them, fine... it's not for you. But don't judge those of us who were in one and paint us with the same broad brush as some jerkoffs you dealt with.

    I was in a fraternity (Delta Tau Delta) for 3 years. NOT ONCE did I rape anyone, force someone to drink or haze anyone. I made a lot of great friends, I volunteered a hell of a lot of my time (soup kitchen in Kalamazoo as well as weekly tutoring/mentoring at an elementary school)... I got a lot out of it. Yeah, I drank and went to parties and attempted to impress women with my sense of humor and vast musical knowledge :D... just like every other college guy.
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,146
    delta upsilon

    Loved my time living in the fraternity house

    made friends and had experiences that I would not have otherwise had

    of course, we drank and partied way too much
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Motown322 wrote:
    I think we can all agree that the situation with your GF was horrible, but stating that fraternities exist simply to give guys an avenue to commit sexual assault and rape is a truckload of horseshit. Asshole fraternity guys are assholes before they join, and they'd be assholes if they weren't in a fraternity. You don't automatically turn into one 5 seconds after initiation. People are always shocked when they find out I was in a fraternity in college ("you're not a frat guy!!!!!!") because of the lame stereotypes people have against them. If you don't like them, fine... it's not for you. But don't judge those of us who were in one and paint us with the same broad brush as some jerkoffs you dealt with.

    I was in a fraternity (Delta Tau Delta) for 3 years. NOT ONCE did I rape anyone, force someone to drink or haze anyone. I made a lot of great friends, I volunteered a hell of a lot of my time (soup kitchen in Kalamazoo as well as weekly tutoring/mentoring at an elementary school)... I got a lot out of it. Yeah, I drank and went to parties and attempted to impress women with my sense of humor and vast musical knowledge :D... just like every other college guy.

    why do you think you got painted with those stereotypes? perhaps becos most people on the outside looking in have had negative experiences with fraternities?

    yes, assholes will be assholes. but they get egged on and supported by the frat system where parties are built around getting as many girls in as possible, getting them drunker than they should be, and taking advantage of it. the house parties i went to were either come one, come all, let's tear the roof off the sucker, or just low key friends getting together. it was only fraternity parties that had that very targeted "checking the numbers" game going on. even my old roommate, who is a GREAT guy, admitted that 95% of their parties were about seeing who could get the most girls. maybe it doesn't explicitly say "let's date rape the freshmen," but the fact is it encourages, enables, and supports the kind of mindset and behavior that leads to harassment and date rape.

    and now im leaving becos i feel sick just think about this stuff again.

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