The AET Soccer/Football Thread

karma defect

amentvedder wrote:

Are you asking me what i think of Neil Lennon?? hahaha I have been in enough trouble tonight I will say Graveson for me made a total balls up and twice. Lennon is a lazy git but you can't deny he don't do his job well, usually

Oh sorry I was actually thinking I had quoted Evo. Sorry.

evo

karma defect wrote:

Guus Hiddink had a different view. He thought Gravesen had to do too much and that's why he played that bad. He thought Lennon was the reason Gravesen played that bad. The thing is he thought they are two of the same players and Gravesen had to play outside of his skills and Lennon who isn't good enough in his opinion made it so that Gravesen was alone on centre midfield. He felt very strongly about it, he even said Lennon was sort of covering up his own mistakes by pushing that defender.
Anyway I couldn’t believe how weak Gravensen was on the ball, I don’t remember him that way from Denmark games that I saw.

i dont think that gravesen could do the same job as lennon, he wants to get forward too much.

when he signed (gravesen) he said that strachan saw him playing in the same position an petrov, getting in to the box and supporting the forwards.

i dont think that lennon will play many games this season. he is getting really slow and players just run past him like he's not there. he was right to have a go at mcmanus, cause he let saha run right off in to a good position.

there was a player we signed from feyenoord in the summer, evander sno, i think he will be the long term replacement for lennon

karma defect

evo wrote:

i dont think that gravesen could do the same job as lennon, he wants to get forward too much.

when he signed (gravesen) he said that strachan saw him playing in the same position an petrov, getting in to the box and supporting the forwards.

i dont think that lennon will play many games this season. he is getting really slow and players just run past him like he's not there. he was right to have a go at mcmanus, cause he let saha run right off in to a good position.

there was a player we signed from feyenoord in the summer, evander sno, i think he will be the long term replacement for lennon

Ah yes Evander Sno, never saw that move coming.:D

I don't think Gravesen is the type of player to replace Petrov. He just needs to run and make tackles and then give the ball to a creative player. Sure he has the lungs to run from box to box, but he isn't a playmaker as petrov is.

evo

karma defect wrote:

Ah yes Evander Sno, never saw that move coming.:D

I don't think Gravesen is the type of player to replace Petrov. He just needs to run and make tackles and then give the ball to a creative player. Sure he has the lungs to run from box to box, but he isn't a playmaker as petrov is.

petrov was pretty poor since about march/april, he would have a couple of decent games but then 4 or 5 where he done nothing. i think gravesen will be able to replace him.

tommy has been unlucky not to score yet, he hit the post on saturday and missed 2 or 3 really good chances the week before

karma defect

evo wrote:

petrov was pretty poor since about march/april, he would have a couple of decent games but then 4 or 5 where he done nothing. i think gravesen will be able to replace him.

tommy has been unlucky not to score yet, he hit the post on saturday and missed 2 or 3 really good chances the week before

Gravesen is a good signing I think, but the two player don't really comepare in style or type of player right?

evo

karma defect wrote:

Gravesen is a good signing I think, but the two player don't really comepare in style or type of player right?

gravesen is more of a tackler while petrov didnt really get involved in that.

two totally different players but i think gravesen can be more effective as he always wants the ball and will look to bring other players in while petrov would fade in and out of games and look uninterested if things weren't going his way.

dkst0426

karma defect wrote:

Hey you never responded to my post on the other page. Did you read it? I totally dig the Scottish national team. I like the flag and jersey and I always root for the underdog. Plus you guys aren't shitheads like English fans.

The same English fans who have been recognized by FIFA with sportsmanship awards for their great general conduct at World Cup '98 and '02 and were involved in scuffles in Germany after being provoked by Germans?

Yeah, they're real shitheads. Kinda like the Italian fascists, and the German skinheads, and the Spanish ultras, and the Dutch whatever-they-call-thems. There are shithead fans of every nationality. A few rotten apples don't spoil the bunch.

dkst0426

dkst0426 wrote:

He can't do it alone. Matter of fact, no champion of the Premiership or the old First Division ever did it alone.

Klumpie wrote:

Maradona, WC 1986???

Pearl_Juli wrote:

and Maradona in Napoli....I think that was all him, right?

Klumpie wrote:

Yep

Can you people read?

Oh, and by the way, there just happened to be this guy called Careca playing alongside Maradona. And Carnevale, De Napoli, Zola, etc. It was hardly a one-man team. As far as the World Cup goes, that is also a huge injustice to the likes of Brown, Valdano, Burruchaga, Ruggieri, Olarticochea, etc. No chance in hell he'd have done it without them.

My point, which was evidently missed, was that when it comes to a league, with almost 40 matches going over a 8-9 month span (as opposed to a short tournament format like......oh, I don't know, the World Cup?), it's almost impossible to claim one person is responsible for a team's success, regardless of how good they are. A player is only as good as the team around him allows him to look so.

karma defect

evo wrote:

gravesen is more of a tackler while petrov didnt really get involved in that.

two totally different players but i think gravesen can be more effective as he always wants the ball and will look to bring other players in while petrov would fade in and out of games and look uninterested if things weren't going his way.

Well that was the idea I had. Don't know Petrov that well, didn't know he was a lazy ass.:D
Anyway I hope for your sake the manu game was a one time incident.

dkst0426

Another thought for the day:

I despise Liverpool, but Xabi Alonso...........

Peach of a pass to set up the first goal. And incredible alertness and accuracy to grab that second.

brhf9

dkst0426 wrote:

Oh, and by the way, there just happened to be this guy called Careca playing alongside Maradona.

Careca was great. There was this game, Brazilian Championship Finals, Sao Paulo x Guarani, 1986, 3-3, OT, and he scored the last goal on the last minute in one of those incredible plays. I think he is truly underated.

dkst0426

Yes, indeed, Senor Filho was truly one of the best strikers of his time.

Towerman

dkst0426 wrote:

Can you people read?

Oh, and by the way, there just happened to be this guy called Careca playing alongside Maradona. And Carnevale, De Napoli, Zola, etc.

and don't forget ALemao!... another great brazilian

Pearl Juli

dkst0426 wrote:

Can you people read?

Oh, and by the way, there just happened to be this guy called Careca playing alongside Maradona. And Carnevale, De Napoli, Zola, etc. It was hardly a one-man team. As far as the World Cup goes, that is also a huge injustice to the likes of Brown, Valdano, Burruchaga, Ruggieri, Olarticochea, etc. No chance in hell he'd have done it without them.

My point, which was evidently missed, was that when it comes to a league, with almost 40 matches going over a 8-9 month span (as opposed to a short tournament format like......oh, I don't know, the World Cup?), it's almost impossible to claim one person is responsible for a team's success, regardless of how good they are. A player is only as good as the team around him allows him to look so.

Damn. Like Klumpie would say...no need to get in a "wrangle"

My replied was triggered by the Maradona mention on the post after yours...sorry I didn't read YOUR post more carefully and reply accordingly

Ok, so Maradona didn't do it all by himself technically, but hey, who is it that the Southern Italians worship? lol ":D . Most hold Maradona responsible for their team's success. Like a Southern Italian's flag that read on the Italy vs. Argentina game of the Italy '90 World Cup: "My brain says Italy, but my heart says Maradona."

But yeah. Like you said, usually "A player is only as good as the team around him allows him to look so"

Either way, there's no need to be so aggressive about it (and I mean aggressive by the tone of your reply, or maybe it's just me? sorry, It's hard to tell on a message board ) It wasn't a big enough deal for that kind of response, nobody attacked you nor your point of view. If I'm just overeacting, and what I implied is wrong, please disregard this

Towerman

hey Pearl_Juli did you see River's last minute goal last sunday??? hehehhehe


and yeah despite all the other great players Napoli had in the 80's, history says that before Maradona played there, Napoli was a second class team that had never won a league. And Napoli post Maradona is just depresing to say the least....

dkst0426

Sorry, that's just how I am. Not one for subtlety.

Pearl Juli

Towerman wrote:

hey Pearl_Juli did you see River's last minute goal last sunday??? hehehhehe

No, I heard/read about it (I also posted about it in one of the footy related threads I believe..lol). I was checking Clarin.com during the game to see how the score was, and was glad they were 1-1 and hoped it stayed that way. It was crap to hear they scored the goal on the 50th minute and while a player from the other team was down, and that there was a penalty kick for Gimnasia that wasn't awarded . Talk about fairplay...hehehe, River might be "Italianizing" itself? just kidding of course

Oh well, Boca still has that 2nd half against Gimnasia pending, let's see if we can turn it around and be the sole leaders of this tournament

Towerman wrote:

and yeah despite all the other great players Napoli had in the 80's, history says that before Maradona played there, Napoli was a second class team that had never won a league. And Napoli post Maradona is just depresing to say the least....

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Pearl Juli

dkst0426 wrote:

Sorry, that's just how I am. Not one for subtlety.

haha, ok no "offense" taken then

ladygooddiva

sorry but til the concert i won´t talk about foothy ...anyways sanogo wants to shot bremen badly home(goals)

AxlUlrich

dkst0426 wrote:

Another thought for the day:

I despise Liverpool, but Xabi Alonso...........

Peach of a pass to set up the first goal. And incredible alertness and accuracy to grab that second.

great to see the good ol' Xabi Alonso back!
Rafa was actually aboot to scream at Alonso for not passing so glad it went in!
feel alittle bad for Harper too...he din do much wrong in the game cept for that slip.
overall though wasnt a convincing performance with too many missed chances by Kuyt and Bellamy.
Luis Garcia losing the ball and wasting chances as usual..and Gerrard just needs a rest..maybe he should skip the Spurs game.
thought we were lucky not to concede a penalty too for Agger's challenge.
end of the day..just glad we got 3 points and hopefully move on from there.