The AET Soccer/Football Thread

Pearl Juli

Towerman wrote:

those are just cold statistics....

and against Serbia it was all about Messi and Tevez

mmm...I'm not so sure about that. They came in during the second half, during the first half the team scored 3 goals without them, they did the beautiful goal with the 20 something passes, etc. That game was an all around team effort, there wasn't ONE player one could single out as the star. And this team work attitude is what led to the result and to Argentina playing so well.

Pearl Juli

karma defect wrote:

I thought that Pekerman went out of his way to field him. I thought he would have done better giving his spot to someone else. Someone that would have taken the pressure of the other midfielders. They had to do all his dirty work, because he won't defend. Messi should have started.

We MIGHT've been better off with Aimar in his place...

Klumpie

Pearl_Juli wrote:

We MIGHT've been better off with Aimar in his place...

Yep, Aimar is 10 times better then the overrated Messi.

Pearl Juli

Klumpie wrote:

Yep, Aimar is 10 times better then the overrated Messi.

Oh no! not in place of Messi. Aimar in place of Riquelme.

Perhaps I would've given more chances to Palacio though instead of Messi.

Klumpie

Pearl_Juli wrote:

Oh no! not in place of Messi. Aimar in place of Riquelme.

Perhaps I would've given more chances to Palacio though instead of Messi.

Still Aimar is 10 times better then Messi.

Towerman

Klumpie wrote:

Still Aimar is 10 times better then Messi.

the thing with Messi is that the media sometimes seems to forget that he's only 18!.... maradona became the best player in the world at 26, Ronaldinho exploded in Barcelona at 25, same with Zidane. Only Pele and Ronaldo were considered the best players in the world before their 20's.

Towerman

Pearl_Juli wrote:

mmm...I'm not so sure about that. They came in during the second half, during the first half the team scored 3 goals without them, they did the beautiful goal with the 20 something passes, etc. That game was an all around team effort, there wasn't ONE player one could single out as the star. And this team work attitude is what led to the result and to Argentina playing so well.

my bad, you're right... I had forgotten that they came on that game as subs in the 2nd half.

karma defect

dkst0426 wrote:

With all due respect, Dutch teams and players are nothing if not enigmatic.

And the point of what you say is?

Is this a reaction on my critic on Riquelme?
The comparison of Seedorf and Riquelme?

What do you want with this statement?
I have no clue how I should see it.

karma defect

Pearl_Juli wrote:

We MIGHT've been better off with Aimar in his place...

I didn't mean Messi playing the role of Riquelme. They don't compare in style. Yes if you would want a playmaker, a number ten I would have gone with Aimar. I however would use the open spot to field Messi in a different role. I would have let him play as he does for Barca. Might even consider Scolari (not sure if I have the name quite right, but I mean the Inter and former Real left winger) coming from the left.

karma defect

Klumpie wrote:

Yep, Aimar is 10 times better then the overrated Messi.

Oh come on be real.:D you are just rebelling against a common notion.
The guy has a great flow to his game. You might think Aimar is a better player, but Messi is definitely a good player with a lot of skill and he can also make a goal.

Pearl Juli

karma defect wrote:

I didn't mean Messi playing the role of Riquelme. They don't compare in style. Yes if you would want a playmaker, a number ten I would have gone with Aimar. I however would use the open spot to field Messi in a different role. I would have let him play as he does for Barca. Might even consider Scolari (not sure if I have the name quite right, but I mean the Inter and former Real left winger) coming from the left.

I didn't mean that either. I meant to say put Aimar in for Riquelme, to fill the roll of playmaker.

Maybe Messi should've had more chances to play.
In my own, personal case, and like I've stated previously, I would've given Palacio more chances to play, just because of the fantastic things he's shown in Boca. And chances are, the world will get to see more of him with the "albiceleste" now that Basile is the coach.


I think you might mean Lionel Scaloni??? I'm not completely sure, but it sounds like that's the name you were looking for

Towerman

Pearl_Juli wrote:

I think you might mean Lionel Scaloni??? I'm not completely sure, but it sounds like that's the name you were looking for

He meant SOLARI, left winger from Inter as Karma said... he also played from Real and Atletico Madrid and River Plate in Argentina but maybe you don't remember him cause they sold him to Europe very young.

Pearl Juli

Towerman wrote:

He meant SOLARI, left winger from Inter as Karma said... he also played from Real and Atletico Madrid and River Plate in Argentina but maybe you don't remember him cause they sold him to Europe very young.

ha! Solari!!!!!! yes, of course I remember.

Sorry, I was thinking only of the people on the '06 team my bad

dkst0426

karma defect wrote:

Messi should have started.

No, he really shouldn't. You forget that he was out injured right up until the week before the World Cup kicked off? If Messi had started, he'd have been useless by the second half of the Argentinian opener.

dkst0426

karma defect wrote:

And the point of what you say is?

Is this a reaction on my critic on Riquelme?
The comparison of Seedorf and Riquelme?

What do you want with this statement?
I have no clue how I should see it.

Then don't respond. If you can't see the context I was saying that in, don't worry about it--someone else already picked up on it.

Towerman

Pearl_Juli wrote:

ha! Solari!!!!!! yes, of course I remember.

Sorry, I was thinking only of the people on the '06 team my bad

ha, no problema... I don't think he ever played in the national team before anyway

Klumpie

karma defect wrote:

Oh come on be real.:D you are just rebelling against a common notion.

Well, somebody has to do it. Otherwise we can only agree

Messi is for sure a good footballer, but just like Towerman said he is only 18. Give him the time he needed, he isn't on the same level as Ronaldinho at this moment. He can be as good as Ronaldinho, but don't expect that at this moment. Otherwise he will be the new Ronaldo and is he 200 kilos if he reach his 28th birthday.

stonesgstring

Hmm Wales vs Brazil tonight. Should be interesting

karma defect

dkst0426 wrote:

No, he really shouldn't. You forget that he was out injured right up until the week before the World Cup kicked off? If Messi had started, he'd have been useless by the second half of the Argentinian opener.

Yes he really should have started. Who said anything about fielding him before he was ready? Did you?;)
I sure as hell didn't. You assume only that I did.

karma defect

Klumpie wrote:

Well, somebody has to do it. Otherwise we can only agree

Well yeah it's a dirty job and someone has to do it.:D I'm just glade that this time it isn't me.;)

Klumpie wrote:

Messi is for sure a good footballer, but just like Towerman said he is only 18. Give him the time he needed, he isn't on the same level as Ronaldinho at this moment. He can be as good as Ronaldinho, but don't expect that at this moment. Otherwise he will be the new Ronaldo and is he 200 kilos if he reach his 28th birthday.

Yes he 18, but there were lots of experienced players to help him. No he isn't on the level of Ronaldinho yet. I didn't expect him to be Ronaldinho, I expected Lionell Messi.;)
In your horrorshow comparison to Ronaldo you forget one thing, Ronaldo didn't play one minute back in 94 and it still happened. So your story seems to go a bit limb. I do understand what you mean, but see more cause it the guidance of Ronaldo than in did he play or not.
Messi should have played because the world cup is a beautiful event for football fans all over the world and they got cheated out of seeing Messi. It is a cliché, but it is true if a player is good enough, than he is old enough. And for me he showed more spirit and energy than Riquelme did.