Fate vs. Free Will

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  • Ms. Haiku
    Ms. Haiku Washington DC Posts: 7,389
    sennin wrote:
    Fate Will!

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  • Somnium
    Somnium Posts: 85
    People like to call an end result fate because it makes them feel better.

    It is what it will be and it will be what you make it.....

    and of course what others make it along with you.

    It's a sunk cake, if you ask me.
    fuck the public
  • Urban Hiker
    Urban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    Even when I'm pissed about being in certain situations, I can see how I played a part in getting myself there.

    .....I take credit for a lot of the good stuff too. :p


    Believing in fate is fun when cool and seemingly unexplainable shit happens. However, I don't care for the lack of accountability in fate.


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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    What about that guy that went into that Chevy dealership.. on his day off... and had an airplane crash on top of him, killing him?
    Fate? Or his Free Will to go into work on his day off?
    ...
    I believe the moral of this tale is... NEVER go to work on your day off.
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    Cosmo wrote:
    What about that guy that went into that Chevy dealership.. on his day off... and had an airplane crash on top of him, killing him?
    Fate? Or his Free Will to go into work on his day off?
    ...
    I believe the moral of this tale is... NEVER go to work on your day off.

    or don't buy a chevy....;)
  • vmfury
    vmfury Posts: 1,091
    I strongly believe there are reasons for everything. People have a hand in their own destiny, however, if whatever it is fails to work after exhausting every avenue, it simply wasn't meant to be and there's something else in store down the line. Pretty cool the way things work, actually.
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  • AmentsChick
    AmentsChick Posts: 6,969
    vmfury wrote:
    I strongly believe there are reasons for everything. People have a hand in their own destiny, however, if whatever it is fails to work after exhausting every avenue, it simply wasn't meant to be and there's something else in store down the line. Pretty cool the way things work, actually.

    I totally agree!


    Oh and...the guy that was killed by an airplane at the Chevy dealership?...nightmare!! I heard about it on the news but didn't realize it was his day off!! :(
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  • brainofPJ
    brainofPJ Posts: 2,361
    Urban Hiker wrote:
    If it is to be, it is up to me.


    i agree.


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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    If you believe in fate it's the same thing as admitting you believe in god and there is some layer of magic woven into reality that controls everything. Not a scrap of evidence points to this. The reality is to my understanding the brain makes these associations and assembles them into rational orders and patterns instead. This is an evolutionary trait I believe.

    Free will is essentially an illusion in the short answer. We all respond and act according to set criteria of stimulus, and no one can escape this reality. You are free to make decisions, however, but those decisions are greatly impacted by the human condition, which is hard coded to to respond along specific set of genetic mappings to ensure your survival and happiness. So, in effect, the state of absolute free will is, by nature's design, impossible. Emotions and senses.

    We cannot choose or control what hormones our brains release in response to what stimuli. There is no dominion over this at present time. Perhaps as the next course of evolution, as long as it is seen as preferable to survival, in order to create enough of an evolutionary filter for life to pass through so to speak.

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  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    Good thread.

    Howard Thurman once said 'Fate is the raw materials of experience. They come uninvited and often unanticipated. Destiny is what a man does with these raw materials.'

    I do believe that to a certain extent fate does play a part in our life. Things happen for a reason. But if fate controls our life, then what is worth striving for? If we leave it to fate, we become reactive in life and we tend to blame the world and everyone for any failures we might have in life.

    There are so many things beyond our control. Like, when we are born, we can't control who our parents are, what country and conditions we are born in, whether we are rich or poor, sick or healthy, mostly they are beyond our control. We can't control drunk drivers killing innocent people, pedophiles stalking children and so many other crazy fucked up things that happen in this world.

    What we can control is how we react to these situations and and how we can best make use of our life.

    We do have choices in life! If we strictly believe that our life is a pre-destined one, we are left with no choice. Being proactive in our life means taking responsibility for our actions and our situation.

    At least that's the way i see it anyway.
  • romybian
    romybian Posts: 1,644
    Everything happens for a reason: you.
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  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    I believe in both. I believe that if you work hard you can control a lot of what goes on in your life. I also beive in fate that no matter how hard I worked, I was never going to be a center for an NBA team. I think we are all dealt a certain set of cards and its up to us to maximize the potential from that hand.
  • USARAY
    USARAY Posts: 517
    fate comes in many paths

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