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rival.

metsfan wrote:

sather shoulda been fired. he was the guy that bought in dury, gomez and redden. nothing can save this team not even torts or the goon avery. this team will go nowhere as long as sather is around. i'm not knocking the front office just cause im and isles fan, knocking it cause it just flat out sucks. you tell me this, if straka, shanny and jagr where around would this team be this bad.

agreed. when is sather getting the axe? he is the most responsible for the underachieving that has been happening the past several years.

Gary Carter

singularity wrote:

agreed. when is sather getting the axe? he is the most responsible for the underachieving that has been happening the past several years.

wont be happening anytime soon. he's very buddy buddy with dolan, thats what insiders have said over the years.

Bathgate66

Tortorella?

what about Messier ?

igotid88

Bathgate66 wrote:

Tortorella?

what about Messier ?

That's what I thought too. Maybe he might try out for GM when they fire Sather after the season.

xavier mcdaniel

From tortorella's first practice - from newsday

For Brandon Dubinsky and Henrik Lundqvist, the initial practice this morning under new head coach John Tortorella reminded them of something: "The first day of training camp," said Lundqvist. "Yeah, a lot of nervous energy," said Dubinsky. "You want to make a good first impression."

So, first impressions. Here's some of Tortorella's thoughts---and tactical changes---revealed during a 25-minute gathering with writers:

"I have always liked the pressure game. We're gonna try to pressure... We're not trapping. Everybody thinks it's a defensive system; it's a transition mechanism. But I've gotta be careful; I made a major mistake last year with our team in Tampa where I was too aggressive and our D couldn't handle it and it cost us. I made a huge mistake in not changing that a little bit. I waited too long."

****
"I'm going to give Schoney the penalty killing and he's going to handle the D during the games and I'm going to do the power play. I think it's important that the head coach has the power play. You're dealing with a lot of your top people and I think that's an important aspect of a head coach, getting the most out of your top people. You get to converse with them, they see the game differently than the coach does. Obviously if we're going to win it's going to have to produce."

****
"I'm not a four-line guy. Your best players need to be your decision-makers. They're going to get every opportunity to win hockey games for us. They're going to be put in those situations, as long as they show me they're going to be able to compete hard. If they're playing hard, I'm going to send them right back out there."

****

Assistant coach Mike Pelino, who was not on the ice, has been reassigned. "Mike is going to help me in pre-scouting and tape work, hand-in-hand with Jerry Dineen. I talked to him about this and I think we need a clean break. It's nothing to do with Mike. I think it's good (for players) mentally to wipe the slate clean. I've had the trainers take down the standings and all the stats, we'll clean that up and start over. There is going to be a philosophical change here, but there's a couple of good guys who are out and I just don't want them blamed."

****
"I'm not going to stand behind the bench and just calmly go about it. I'm just not built that way. I think honesty is what players want. They're going to get pushed, they're going to be held accountable, and there are going to be some bumps in the road, there may be some conflict along the way, but I don't think we should be afraid of conflict."

****
"I'll be meeting with them one on one, slowly but surely, sometimes on the ice, sometimes on the plane, when it needs to be. I had some major one-on-one battles in an office along the way. And it turns into some conflict. We're not going to overload them with a quarter of the season left. I talked to a couple players today in a casual way. When you put a player in an office, they clam up."

***
"Initally, I just want them to relax a little here. I think the team's been paralyzed with all the things going on with the club....And losing knocks you down. I am gonna push them, but as a coach you have to understand when you need to be with them. I think this is a time to get them to feel decent about themselves. There would be nothing better than a win. I think they're a little bit beat up. This reputation that I just kick the hell out of people takes on a life of its own. I think they need to get a little self confidence."

****
Assistant coach Mike Sullivan will not join the team this season, although Tortorella wanted him here. Tampa balked. So Torts, who worked under Schoenfeld in Phoenix, said the assistant GM is "doing him a favor" and will be behind the bench for the rest of the year. Benoit Allaire will continue mentoring Lundqvist, who Torts called "the best goalie in the league", and Steve Valiquette. Schoenfeld ran yesterday's drills and Tortorella used these lines or versions of them:

Bathgate66

xavier mcdaniel wrote:

From tortorella's first practice - from newsday

For Brandon Dubinsky and Henrik Lundqvist, the initial practice this morning under new head coach John Tortorella reminded them of something: "The first day of training camp," said Lundqvist. "Yeah, a lot of nervous energy," said Dubinsky. "You want to make a good first impression."

So, first impressions. Here's some of Tortorella's thoughts---and tactical changes---revealed during a 25-minute gathering with writers:

"I have always liked the pressure game. We're gonna try to pressure... We're not trapping. Everybody thinks it's a defensive system; it's a transition mechanism. But I've gotta be careful; I made a major mistake last year with our team in Tampa where I was too aggressive and our D couldn't handle it and it cost us. I made a huge mistake in not changing that a little bit. I waited too long."

****
"I'm going to give Schoney the penalty killing and he's going to handle the D during the games and I'm going to do the power play. I think it's important that the head coach has the power play. You're dealing with a lot of your top people and I think that's an important aspect of a head coach, getting the most out of your top people. You get to converse with them, they see the game differently than the coach does. Obviously if we're going to win it's going to have to produce."

****
"I'm not a four-line guy. Your best players need to be your decision-makers. They're going to get every opportunity to win hockey games for us. They're going to be put in those situations, as long as they show me they're going to be able to compete hard. If they're playing hard, I'm going to send them right back out there."

****

Assistant coach Mike Pelino, who was not on the ice, has been reassigned. "Mike is going to help me in pre-scouting and tape work, hand-in-hand with Jerry Dineen. I talked to him about this and I think we need a clean break. It's nothing to do with Mike. I think it's good (for players) mentally to wipe the slate clean. I've had the trainers take down the standings and all the stats, we'll clean that up and start over. There is going to be a philosophical change here, but there's a couple of good guys who are out and I just don't want them blamed."

****
"I'm not going to stand behind the bench and just calmly go about it. I'm just not built that way. I think honesty is what players want. They're going to get pushed, they're going to be held accountable, and there are going to be some bumps in the road, there may be some conflict along the way, but I don't think we should be afraid of conflict."

****
"I'll be meeting with them one on one, slowly but surely, sometimes on the ice, sometimes on the plane, when it needs to be. I had some major one-on-one battles in an office along the way. And it turns into some conflict. We're not going to overload them with a quarter of the season left. I talked to a couple players today in a casual way. When you put a player in an office, they clam up."

***
"Initally, I just want them to relax a little here. I think the team's been paralyzed with all the things going on with the club....And losing knocks you down. I am gonna push them, but as a coach you have to understand when you need to be with them. I think this is a time to get them to feel decent about themselves. There would be nothing better than a win. I think they're a little bit beat up. This reputation that I just kick the hell out of people takes on a life of its own. I think they need to get a little self confidence."

****
Assistant coach Mike Sullivan will not join the team this season, although Tortorella wanted him here. Tampa balked. So Torts, who worked under Schoenfeld in Phoenix, said the assistant GM is "doing him a favor" and will be behind the bench for the rest of the year. Benoit Allaire will continue mentoring Lundqvist, who Torts called "the best goalie in the league", and Steve Valiquette. Schoenfeld ran yesterday's drills and Tortorella used these lines or versions of them:

nice piece L !

but where are the linbe combos that were cut off at the end ?

still interesting to read nonethel;ess.

whats with Saturdays game ?

Against Colorado?
Its on WPIX Channel 11 ? It took me back about 35 years when i saw that commercial ,....

wow

Bathgate66

found it

Naslund-Gomez-Zherdev
Dubinsky-Drury-Callahan
Dawes-Korpikoski-Prucha
Sjostrom-Betts-Orr/Voros

Rozsival-Staal
Mara-Girardi
Reitz/Kalinin-Redden

Mara, who played 46 games under Tortorella in Tampa in 2000-01, practiced with the team for the first time. But his shoulder, which he injured nine days ago, was still not healed and will miss tomorrow night's game and several more at least.

Plenty more to come here on newsday.com and in tomorrow's paper. Newsday's Katie Strang shot some video, and Mark Herrmann and Arthur Staple all were on hand.....

xavier mcdaniel

Bathgate66 wrote:

xavier mcdaniel wrote:

From tortorella's first practice - from newsday

For Brandon Dubinsky and Henrik Lundqvist, the initial practice this morning under new head coach John Tortorella reminded them of something: "The first day of training camp," said Lundqvist. "Yeah, a lot of nervous energy," said Dubinsky. "You want to make a good first impression."

So, first impressions. Here's some of Tortorella's thoughts---and tactical changes---revealed during a 25-minute gathering with writers:

"I have always liked the pressure game. We're gonna try to pressure... We're not trapping. Everybody thinks it's a defensive system; it's a transition mechanism. But I've gotta be careful; I made a major mistake last year with our team in Tampa where I was too aggressive and our D couldn't handle it and it cost us. I made a huge mistake in not changing that a little bit. I waited too long."

****
"I'm going to give Schoney the penalty killing and he's going to handle the D during the games and I'm going to do the power play. I think it's important that the head coach has the power play. You're dealing with a lot of your top people and I think that's an important aspect of a head coach, getting the most out of your top people. You get to converse with them, they see the game differently than the coach does. Obviously if we're going to win it's going to have to produce."

****
"I'm not a four-line guy. Your best players need to be your decision-makers. They're going to get every opportunity to win hockey games for us. They're going to be put in those situations, as long as they show me they're going to be able to compete hard. If they're playing hard, I'm going to send them right back out there."

****

Assistant coach Mike Pelino, who was not on the ice, has been reassigned. "Mike is going to help me in pre-scouting and tape work, hand-in-hand with Jerry Dineen. I talked to him about this and I think we need a clean break. It's nothing to do with Mike. I think it's good (for players) mentally to wipe the slate clean. I've had the trainers take down the standings and all the stats, we'll clean that up and start over. There is going to be a philosophical change here, but there's a couple of good guys who are out and I just don't want them blamed."

****
"I'm not going to stand behind the bench and just calmly go about it. I'm just not built that way. I think honesty is what players want. They're going to get pushed, they're going to be held accountable, and there are going to be some bumps in the road, there may be some conflict along the way, but I don't think we should be afraid of conflict."

****
"I'll be meeting with them one on one, slowly but surely, sometimes on the ice, sometimes on the plane, when it needs to be. I had some major one-on-one battles in an office along the way. And it turns into some conflict. We're not going to overload them with a quarter of the season left. I talked to a couple players today in a casual way. When you put a player in an office, they clam up."

***
"Initally, I just want them to relax a little here. I think the team's been paralyzed with all the things going on with the club....And losing knocks you down. I am gonna push them, but as a coach you have to understand when you need to be with them. I think this is a time to get them to feel decent about themselves. There would be nothing better than a win. I think they're a little bit beat up. This reputation that I just kick the hell out of people takes on a life of its own. I think they need to get a little self confidence."

****
Assistant coach Mike Sullivan will not join the team this season, although Tortorella wanted him here. Tampa balked. So Torts, who worked under Schoenfeld in Phoenix, said the assistant GM is "doing him a favor" and will be behind the bench for the rest of the year. Benoit Allaire will continue mentoring Lundqvist, who Torts called "the best goalie in the league", and Steve Valiquette. Schoenfeld ran yesterday's drills and Tortorella used these lines or versions of them:

nice piece L !

but where are the linbe combos that were cut off at the end ?

still interesting to read nonethel;ess.

whats with Saturdays game ?

Against Colorado?
Its on WPIX Channel 11 ? It took me back about 35 years when i saw that commercial ,....

wow

It took me back to the mid-1980s. If I'm not mistaken the Rangers put a few games on WWOR-TV (Channel 9) back then.

rival.

good reads up above. anyone else find it a bit suspicious that pelino's job was spared? not saying he should have been fired too, but maybe sather got a few key players opinions on who was helping and who was hurting the team from a coach's perspective? if that's the case, a few players may have known renney and pearn would be gone way before it happened.

Bathgate66

yes i thought that was odd also - usually the entire coaching staff is let go ,.....


well, at least maybe now we will see more of petr prucha , .... and maybe less of voros.

rival.

eh, typical NYR game.

i like the redden/rosival pairing. puts more pressure on them to do well and play smart.

Bathgate66

Rangers Show Torts Exactly What He's In For
John Tortorella should consider himself lucky. In his first game as Ranger coach, he got to see who his Rangers really are, not an illusion of the type that sometimes accompanies a coaching change. Now he knows what he's up against -- a team that can skate circles around the opposition, but not for sixty minutes, and with paltry results. He got to see the team we've seen all season, one that can go one period without many meaningful scoring chances, a second period without being able to finish enough of their many meaningful scoring chances, and a third period in which they apparently are so full of themselves after two good periods that they sit back and blow the lead.

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Bathgate66

40 shots on goal, and only 1 goal at the end ?
give up 2 goals in a minute to a team we clearly dominated most of this game ?

new coach or not, ..our teams in trouble,..

Bathgate66

wednesday is the deadline
what direction will our beloved Blueshirts head into?

Gary Carter

Bathgate66 wrote:

wednesday is the deadline
what direction will our beloved Blueshirts head into?

what they need to do is fire sather. but thats not happening. i would trade gomez for a young rw and a pp defenceman. also i'd trade redden for a young player and draft picks

xavier mcdaniel

metsfan wrote:

Bathgate66 wrote:

wednesday is the deadline
what direction will our beloved Blueshirts head into?

what they need to do is fire sather. but thats not happening. i would trade gomez for a young rw and a pp defenceman. also i'd trade redden for a young player and draft picks

My guess is that if Sather attempts to place phone calls for Redden, the conversation will go like this:

Sather: - We're putting some of our defenseman on the market
GM: Oh yeah? Which One?
Sather: Redden
GM: hangs up phone

greaticedtea

xavier mcdaniel wrote:

metsfan wrote:

Bathgate66 wrote:

wednesday is the deadline
what direction will our beloved Blueshirts head into?

what they need to do is fire sather. but thats not happening. i would trade gomez for a young rw and a pp defenceman. also i'd trade redden for a young player and draft picks

My guess is that if Sather attempts to place phone calls for Redden, the conversation will go like this:

Sather: - We're putting some of our defenseman on the market
GM: Oh yeah? Which One?
Sather: Redden
GM: hangs up phone

hahah that fake conversation made me crack up.


seriously though, i dont care what they can get for him. i just hope they can give him to some other team

Gary Carter

xavier mcdaniel wrote:

metsfan wrote:

Bathgate66 wrote:

wednesday is the deadline
what direction will our beloved Blueshirts head into?

what they need to do is fire sather. but thats not happening. i would trade gomez for a young rw and a pp defenceman. also i'd trade redden for a young player and draft picks

My guess is that if Sather attempts to place phone calls for Redden, the conversation will go like this:

Sather: - We're putting some of our defenseman on the market
GM: Oh yeah? Which One?
Sather: Redden
GM: hangs up phone

funny but true

igotid88

Quick sign up more PIX 11 games.

xavier mcdaniel

As much as I thought Renney was unfairly dismissed, I do like the style under Tortorella. It seems like they're moving more as opposed to being stationary, especially on the power play. It also seems like they're heading to the net and the areas in front with more frequency as four of the six goals were scored in and around the crease.