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Rygar

Bathgate66 wrote:

this sounds more like what might or not be called on a " dive "

Yeah, that can be construed as such, although diving has it's own rule.

chromiam

NY PJ1 wrote:

but u would love the difference he makes in games

I give you that he appears to make a difference for this Rangers team but on other teams he would be a distraction and not as effective. He has his role on this Rangers team and he plays it... it just wouldn't fit or work for some other teams.

Rygar

NY PJ1 wrote:

but u would love the difference he makes in games

I'd still call him a classless whore

xavier mcdaniel

chromiam wrote:

I give you that he appears to make a difference for this Rangers team but on other teams he would be a distraction and not as effective. He has his role on this Rangers team and he plays it... it just wouldn't fit or work for some other teams.

i agree, he'd be a distraction on a bad team or a dysfunctional team like the senators.

NY PJ1

chromiam wrote:

I give you that he appears to make a difference for this Rangers team but on other teams he would be a distraction and not as effective. He has his role on this Rangers team and he plays it... it just wouldn't fit or work for some other teams.

well thats true he may not work well on every team

and every teammate may not love him

however fact is

1) he agitates everyone
2) he can score 20 -25 goals a year

chromiam

NY PJ1 wrote:

well thats true he may not work well on every team

and every teammate may not love him

however fact is

1) he agitates everyone
2) he can score 20 -25 goals a year

1) I agree
2) he's never scored that many goals a season in his career and I don't see that changing

NY PJ1

chromiam wrote:

1) I agree
2) he's never scored that many goals a season in his career and I don't see that changing

he was hurt half the year and had 15

the guy can skate and score

full healthy season 20 -25 easy

thing is its hard for him to stay healthy all year

chromiam

NY PJ1 wrote:

he was hurt half the year and had 15

the guy can skate and score

full healthy season 20 -25 easy

thing is its hard for him to stay healthy all year

It's hard for him to stay healthy because of the way he plays... so I'll still stand by him not being a perennial 20 goal scoring. And for all that he brings you, at time he also costs you. I do have to say though that he has cut that down quite a bit from what I have seen this season.

Jwmcc

chromiam wrote:

It's hard for him to stay healthy because of the way he plays... so I'll still stand by him not being a perennial 20 goal scoring. And for all that he brings you, at time he also costs you. I do have to say though that he has cut that down quite a bit from what I have seen this season.

Word, which is the reason the Rangers would be dumb to give him 4 million plus a year for however long he's looking for.
Jw

xavier mcdaniel

he's a good player for what he does but success of the rangers should not hinder on what he does or doesn't do.

Bathgate66

i think in the last 2 or 3 seasons , Avery is in the top 3 or 4 players who draw penaltties .

Bathgate66

Posted: Apr 14, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject:

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http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/story/8032786/Avery-embarrassed-himself,-team-with-bad-sportsmanship-

The directive will probably go out to the on-ice officials today.


The coaches and general managers will be informed, and they'll pass the message along to the players.



Antics like those perpetrated by Sean Avery on Sunday night will no longer be tolerated.

Avery was playing for his New York Rangers against the New Jersey Devils when he decided to screen Devils goaltender Martin Brodeur. So far, so good.



But Avery didn't do it in the accepted fashion of merely standing in front of Brodeur while he watched the play. Instead, he turned his back to the play, waved his stick back and forth in front of Brodeur's face and delivered his usual trash talk.



Even Avery's teammate, Chris Drury, took exception to the performance and came over to try to budge him. But as anyone familiar with Avery might expect, it did no good.



In the hockey community, the reaction was almost totally negative. Commentators on the two networks that were showing the game — Versus and TSN — were strongly opposed. CBC was showing the Boston-Montreal game, but between periods, the network's analysts chimed in with their condemnation.



The trash talking is bad enough. Certainly it exists in hockey, but not to the level that it exists in other sports. After all, it's one thing to yap at another basketball player or a football player. It's almost part of the game.



Do it in hockey and you'll probably get punched. That fact does a lot to discourage the practice.



And whereas hockey's trash talking tends to relate to a player's skills — or lack thereof — Avery's trash talking gets highly personal. In this case, it usually relates to Brodeur's 2003 divorce.



Brodeur himself shrugs it off. "I heard everything throughout the 2003 playoffs," he told the Bergen Record last week.



"It's funny, the lack of new material. I told him, �It has been five years. Find something else.'

"



But usually, Brodeur says nothing. "If it would be in French, I would be able to come up with a quick answer," he said. "But in English, I've got to think about it, and then by the time I put it into English, he's gone."



But on Sunday, Avery didn't go. And so you can figure what's going to happen next. Even though the playoffs have been exciting and have featured some magnificent plays, it is Avery's performance that is going to get the attention on the highlight shows.



Hockey needs a positive presentation these days. It has to shed the circus image that people like Avery give it.



Even though no penalty was called on Avery on Sunday, the league does have a weapon at its disposal. The rule book gives referees the discretion to assess a 10-minute misconduct for "incitement."



In the universally accepted code of hockey conduct, any hassling of a goaltender merits a quick response. So there is nothing more likely to "incite" a team than to stand on the edge of a crease waving a stick across the goalie's line of vision.



Therefore, the practice has to be stopped. But there won't be a rule change, just a rule interpretation.



This is not Avery's first achievement in this regard. He's at least partly responsible for the fact that in these playoffs, for the first time, the stand-by referee has the duty of sitting in the penalty box to watch the pregame warmup.



In the past, the referees have occasionally watched the warmup from a location of their choice — a hallway, a vacant seat or the Zamboni entrance. But when the fun began, their view was often blocked — if indeed they were there. Not every stand-by referee got to the building in time for the warmup.



But now, the ref must be in the penalty box so that if a problem erupts, he'll have an unobstructed view and will be close enough to warn off the potential combatants.

The pregame tussle that Avery incited with Jason Blake and Darcy Tucker of the Toronto Maple Leafs earlier this season had a lot to do with the issuing of this directive.

And when you get right down to it, despite embarrassing his team and his sport, what good did Avery do on Sunday night?



The Rangers lost 4-3 in overtime, their first loss of the series.
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chromiam

Bathgate66 wrote:

i think in the last 2 or 3 seasons , Avery is in the top 3 or 4 players who draw penaltties .

And I'm pretty sure he's been the top 3 in PIM on his team as well.....

HailHailVitalogy

I thought it was hysterical

Bathgate66

HailHailVitalogy wrote:

I thought it was hysterical

full court defense

lol


i chuckled as well

Bathgate66

chromiam wrote:

And I'm pretty sure he's been the top 3 in PIM on his team as well.....

on his team?
I dunno bout that,

but i was talking top 3 or 4 in the league in drawn penalties .

Phantom Pain

HailHailVitalogy wrote:

I thought it was hysterical

I have never seen anything like that in my life

Hexy would have given him a nice 2 hander

Bathgate66

UPDATE: Just checked the tape after being alerted by Mitch Beck (thanks, Mitch), and one thing about the Sean Avery incident that has been completely overlooked: Mr. Brodeur clearly and intentionally whacked Avery in the you-know-what with his stick. While everyone around the hockey world debates the legality and sportsmanship of Avery's antics, with Gary Bettman even weighing in on it, Brodeur committed an inexcusable act that is without question a major penalty and the height of bad sportsmanship. Wasn't called, though. Instead, the NHL has issued a new ruling to prohibit Avery from reprising his act -- see Blue Notes and Rangers Report for full details. Nothing like making up new rules on the fly against one team while ignoring longstanding ones committed by the other team.



The Avery Rule
April
14 As expected, the NHL acted swiftly to put an end to Sean Avery’s clever shenanigans in Game 3 (Here’s the YouTube clip).

It’s like the NFL ruling that you can’t fumble forward into the end zone after a playoff touchdown happened that way. Avery found a loophole, used it, and it was quickly closed.

Now he, or anybody else who tries it, will get an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for faceguarding a goalie as Avery did to Martin Brodeur in Game 3.

Here’s the press release just issued by the NHL:

National Hockey League Senior Executive Vice President and Director of Hockey Operations Colin Campbell today issued the following advisory on the interpretation of Rule 75 – Unsportsmanlike Conduct: “An unsportsmanlike conduct minor penalty (Rule 75) will be interpreted and applied, effective immediately, to a situation when an offensive player positions himself facing the opposition goaltender and engages in actions such as waving his arms or stick in front of the goaltender’s face, for the purpose of improperly interfering with and/or distracting the goaltender as opposed to positioning himself to try to make a play.”

So there you have it. We saw it once. We probably won’t ever see it again.

Rygar

Bathgate66 wrote:

UPDATE: Just checked the tape after being alerted by Mitch Beck (thanks, Mitch), and one thing about the Sean Avery incident that has been completely overlooked: Mr. Brodeur clearly and intentionally whacked Avery in the you-know-what with his stick. While everyone around the hockey world debates the legality and sportsmanship of Avery's antics, with Gary Bettman even weighing in on it, Brodeur committed an inexcusable act that is without question a major penalty and the height of bad sportsmanship. Wasn't called, though. Instead, the NHL has issued a new ruling to prohibit Avery from reprising his act -- see Blue Notes and Rangers Report for full details. Nothing like making up new rules on the fly against one team while ignoring longstanding ones committed by the other team.



The Avery Rule
April
14 As expected, the NHL acted swiftly to put an end to Sean Avery’s clever shenanigans in Game 3 (Here’s the YouTube clip).

It’s like the NFL ruling that you can’t fumble forward into the end zone after a playoff touchdown happened that way. Avery found a loophole, used it, and it was quickly closed.

Now he, or anybody else who tries it, will get an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for faceguarding a goalie as Avery did to Martin Brodeur in Game 3.

Here’s the press release just issued by the NHL:

National Hockey League Senior Executive Vice President and Director of Hockey Operations Colin Campbell today issued the following advisory on the interpretation of Rule 75 – Unsportsmanlike Conduct: “An unsportsmanlike conduct minor penalty (Rule 75) will be interpreted and applied, effective immediately, to a situation when an offensive player positions himself facing the opposition goaltender and engages in actions such as waving his arms or stick in front of the goaltender’s face, for the purpose of improperly interfering with and/or distracting the goaltender as opposed to positioning himself to try to make a play.”

So there you have it. We saw it once. We probably won’t ever see it again.

You think Brodeur's nad-tap was bad, you should have seen the cleaving Fleury gave to Lapointe in game one of that series...

Songburst

Bathgate66 wrote:

im never ashamed or embarrassed to wear the red white and blue,
not even this morning after a Loss.
Avery has a role-
he plays it well
he has a goal-a-game in these playoffs.
I can get past his agitory antics ,
definitely wouldnt peel away my Rangers jersey for the sake of 1 loss, and i dont feel any loss of dignity either.
If ( and when ) we get a stranglehhold on them Wednesday , we'll feel alot better.
The Devils cant cope, and they cant beat us in a 7 game run first to 4 .

Most of the time, I support Avery and the stupid shit that he does because he is a pretty good player, he is entertaining, he brings emotion into meaningless games and he is usually fun to watch. That crap that he pulled was by far the lowest thing that he has ever done. Just because there is no rule that explicity prohibits shit like that (even though it may fall under the confines of unsportsmanlike conduct) doesn't mean that he and the Rangers are currently the laughing stock of hockey.

edit: I guess that there now is a rule that explicity prohibits shit like this.