I hate having to put my puppy in his cage...

stateoflove79stateoflove79 Posts: 2,845
edited January 2008 in All Encompassing Trip
But I know I have to do it for training purposes and when he does something bad...it's just when I see him in there, he's so lonely. and he cries...makes me wanna cry. :(

Oh well, I guess he has to learn somehow that biting the cat and knocking over the portable phone and digital camera are not OK.

He's just so adorable...
Is it so wrong to think that love can keep us safe?
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  • Stone Is GodStone Is God Posts: 1,331
    But I know I have to do it for training purposes and when he does something bad...it's just when I see him in there, he's so lonely. and he cries...makes me wanna cry. :(

    Oh well, I guess he has to learn somehow that biting the cat and knocking over the portable phone and digital camera are not OK.

    He's just so adorable...

    Don't worry about it, once they become used to the crate it almost becomes like a 'den' to them. The trick is to make them think that the crate is 'good' instead of 'bad'. Always leave the crate door open so they can go in and out. You can also put toys and other things in their.

    I've never been a fan of crateing a dog when he does something wrong. That's why people have trouble crate training. There are other ways of pos/neg reenforcement.

    Stick to your guns, though, they do get used to it.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me.
  • But I know I have to do it for training purposes and when he does something bad...it's just when I see him in there, he's so lonely. and he cries...makes me wanna cry. :(

    Oh well, I guess he has to learn somehow that biting the cat and knocking over the portable phone and digital camera are not OK.

    He's just so adorable...

    lol :)

    You're a softy!

    You think this is tough...just wait until you have to put a little kid in time out for biting the catr and knocking stuff over. ;):D
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    lol : )

    You're a softy!

    You think this is tough...just wait until you have to put a little kid in time out for biting the catr and knocking stuff over. ; ) :D


    bit the cat??? :eek: maybe she needs a cage....;) :p:D
  • memememe Posts: 4,695
    You may want to hold off having kids until you toughen up a bit :D
    ... and the will to show I will always be better than before.
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    crate training was one of the hardest things to do when i got norm.....to hear him whine was unbearable but everybody told me it was the best thing and they were right.....just tough it out....:)
  • cutback wrote:
    crate training was one of the hardest things to do when i got norm.....to hear him whine was unbearable but everybody told me it was the best thing and they were right.....just tough it out....:)
    I know...and I will tough it out...doesn't mean it still doesn't break my heart to see his little eyes looking at me when he is in there...begging for freedom...
    Is it so wrong to think that love can keep us safe?
  • WhizbangWhizbang Posts: 1,314
    But I know I have to do it for training purposes and when he does something bad...it's just when I see him in there, he's so lonely. and he cries...makes me wanna cry. :(

    Oh well, I guess he has to learn somehow that biting the cat and knocking over the portable phone and digital camera are not OK.

    He's just so adorable...

    Please don't use the crate as a form of punishment or negative reinforcement. He'll never want to go in it...which will lead to you chasing him around the house and shoving him in it when you need to leave. Crates are akin to a den in the wild. It's a warm place to sleep and eat - not to poop/pee. Pups in a welping box and in the wild learn quickly that if they do their business where they sleep, they have to sleep in it. There isn't animal on the planet that likes sleeping in their own waste.

    Feed him in the crate, put the dish in there...let him go to it but don't shut the door on him. As he gets used to that, push the dish further and further in....then close the door. Open the door, reach in the dish while he's eating. He should always know you control the food and your hand in the dish is not an issue. While you're outside letting him do his business, have someone in your house leave a good smelling treat in the crate (cheese, hot dog...just a couple small pieces) and when you come in with him, walk him to the crate to get a sniff and just let him find it in there. He'll get the idea that every time he comes in there "might" be a treat in there. Make a ceremony of bed time. Get a Kong brand toy - they're rubber toys with holes in them for treats. Put a small dog treat in the hole, a little peanut butter and put it in the crate. Tell him to "go to bed!", lead him there the first few times. After a few nights, he'll be running for the crate.

    The big thing with whining? As hard as it is, ignore it. So long as he doesn't have to go out to relieve himself, ignore it. He'll eventually chew on a toy in there or go to sleep. Cover it with a blanket so you don't have to see those sad puppy eyes....believe me, I know. I've got two that I had to train.

    My dogs are 7 and 8. Both of them still RUN for their crates when I tell them to 'crate up'. I don't lock them in the crates any longer but they still get locked in a dog proof room - crappy beach cottage couch for them, the crates, construction grade carpeting and their toys - since they can still be destructive if I leave them loose in the house (they're both Labs...).

    Done right, crate training is a blessing.
    believe it or not, we don't "need" anything. that is only the spoiled brat in us trying to fill some temporary solution to an emptyness that does not exist.

    I have eaten so much gold I crapped excellence - drtyfrnk29

    Life is either a daring adventure or nothing at all!
  • Whizbang wrote:
    Please don't use the crate as a form of punishment or negative reinforcement. He'll never want to go in it...which will lead to you chasing him around the house and shoving him in it when you need to leave. Crates are akin to a den in the wild. It's a warm place to sleep and eat - not to poop/pee. Pups in a welping box and in the wild learn quickly that if they do their business where they sleep, they have to sleep in it. There isn't animal on the planet that likes sleeping in their own waste.

    Feed him in the crate, put the dish in there...let him go to it but don't shut the door on him. As he gets used to that, push the dish further and further in....then close the door. Open the door, reach in the dish while he's eating. He should always know you control the food and your hand in the dish is not an issue. While you're outside letting him do his business, have someone in your house leave a good smelling treat in the crate (cheese, hot dog...just a couple small pieces) and when you come in with him, walk him to the crate to get a sniff and just let him find it in there. He'll get the idea that every time he comes in there "might" be a treat in there. Make a ceremony of bed time. Get a Kong brand toy - they're rubber toys with holes in them for treats. Put a small dog treat in the hole, a little peanut butter and put it in the crate. Tell him to "go to bed!", lead him there the first few times. After a few nights, he'll be running for the crate.

    The big thing with whining? As hard as it is, ignore it. So long as he doesn't have to go out to relieve himself, ignore it. He'll eventually chew on a toy in there or go to sleep. Cover it with a blanket so you don't have to see those sad puppy eyes....believe me, I know. I've got two that I had to train.

    My dogs are 7 and 8. Both of them still RUN for their crates when I tell them to 'crate up'. I don't lock them in the crates any longer but they still get locked in a dog proof room - crappy beach cottage couch for them, the crates, construction grade carpeting and their toys - since they can still be destructive if I leave them loose in the house (they're both Labs...).

    Done right, crate training is a blessing.
    I understand what you are saying, but we are training him a little differently...we let him and the other dog sleep in the bed with us. and he stays in the crate when we are out of the house or when we cannot watch him. if that makes sense...
    Is it so wrong to think that love can keep us safe?
  • PJaddictedPJaddicted Posts: 1,432
    It is a great way to keep the puppy safe when you can't watch him. My Petey hasn't been in his crate since June and today he only turned 15 months, so you might not need it for too long. Be very careful using it for punishment, you must always gently remove him from what he has done and then put him in the crate nicely....you want the crate to be a good thing, not something he hates or fears. I didn't use any negative training for my puppy, we just distracted him from anything he shouldn't be doing. Have a bucket of toys in each room and also use gates to block him off from the cat or possessions you don't want him to chew or break. As they mature you can use more NOs or the command "leave it" to stop them from doing things, but for the first six months it is not recommend, you want him to be a confident happy dog.

    Have you checked out training classes yet?

    oxc
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    *May the Peace of the Wilderness be with YOU*

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  • PJaddicted wrote:
    It is a great way to keep the puppy safe when you can't watch him. My Petey hasn't been in his crate since June and today he only turned 15 months, so you might not need it for too long. Be very careful using it for punishment, you must always gently remove him from what he has done and then put him in the crate nicely....you want the crate to be a good thing, not something he hates or fears. I didn't use any negative training for my puppy, we just distracted him from anything he shouldn't be doing. Have a bucket of toys in each room and also use gates to block him off from the cat or possessions you don't want him to chew or break. As they mature you can use more NOs or the command "leave it" to stop them from doing things, but for the first six months it is not recommend, you want him to be a confident happy dog.

    Have you checked out training classes yet?

    oxc

    Puppy training starts on Tuesday!!!...should be fun. :)
    Is it so wrong to think that love can keep us safe?
  • PJaddictedPJaddicted Posts: 1,432
    Puppy training starts on Tuesday!!!...should be fun. :)

    I love it! Good for you! I started another level of positive training with Petey last week! It is the greatest! Imagine a 112 pound "puppy" !

    oxc
    ~*LIVE~LOVE~LAUGH*~

    *May the Peace of the Wilderness be with YOU*

    He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
    — Unknown
  • WhizbangWhizbang Posts: 1,314
    I understand what you are saying, but we are training him a little differently...we let him and the other dog sleep in the bed with us. and he stays in the crate when we are out of the house or when we cannot watch him. if that makes sense...

    Everyone does it a bit different. Whatever works. I kept my dogs off my furniture and off my bed for close to 2 years until they earned the priviledge of being invited to sleep with the "top dog". They were on their own dog beds loose in the bedroom around 6-7 months of age when I knew they could make it through the night. Neither of them had an accident in their crates past the age of 10 weeks....and the accidents were my fault as I assumed they could go a little longer than 4 hours. I spoil 'em rotten now but still...if they start going through a patch of not listening, it's back to basics - they sleep on their beds, they eat after me (that's one I don't slack on too much actually), I pass through doors first and they sit at the door before they go out. It works for me. Good luck!
    believe it or not, we don't "need" anything. that is only the spoiled brat in us trying to fill some temporary solution to an emptyness that does not exist.

    I have eaten so much gold I crapped excellence - drtyfrnk29

    Life is either a daring adventure or nothing at all!
  • If you think that's bad - try putting your BF there! ;)
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  • PJaddicted wrote:
    I love it! Good for you! I started another level of positive training with Petey last week! It is the greatest! Imagine a 112 pound "puppy" !

    oxc
    112???...holy shit!!

    Our puppy was 7lbs. when we got him...3 months later, he is 32 lbs.

    Still adorable, though!! :)...especially when he sleeps.
    Is it so wrong to think that love can keep us safe?
  • cutback wrote:
    bit the cat??? :eek: maybe she needs a cage....

    Oh, we don't even have a cat.

    That was a little memory from my own childhood. :o:D;) I was a feisty one! :D
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    Oh, we don't even have a cat.

    That was a little memory from my own childhood. : o : D ;) I was a feisty one! :D

    ah well that makes sense...;) :p:D
  • Oh, we don't even have a cat.

    That was a little memory from my own childhood. :o:D;) I was a feisty one! :D
    Some things never change, huh? :D
    Is it so wrong to think that love can keep us safe?
  • PJaddictedPJaddicted Posts: 1,432
    112???...holy shit!!

    Our puppy was 7lbs. when we got him...3 months later, he is 32 lbs.

    Still adorable, though!! :)...especially when he sleeps.

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    He is 15 months old.....just a MOOSE!

    I'm going for a small one next.....I'm too OLD to handle one this big!

    oxc
    ~*LIVE~LOVE~LAUGH*~

    *May the Peace of the Wilderness be with YOU*

    He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
    — Unknown
  • PJaddicted wrote:
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    He is 15 months old.....just a MOOSE!

    I'm going for a small one next.....I'm too OLD to handle one this big!

    oxc
    but a beautiful mosse!!! :)
    Is it so wrong to think that love can keep us safe?
  • people have been making me sad talking so much about puppies and kittens lately...I want one :(.
  • PJaddictedPJaddicted Posts: 1,432
    but a beautiful mosse!!! :)

    :p Thank you! He is my baby!

    oxc
    ~*LIVE~LOVE~LAUGH*~

    *May the Peace of the Wilderness be with YOU*

    He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
    — Unknown
  • smg9779smg9779 Posts: 235
    Having just raised a puppy from 6 weeks to now 7 months I have to say that crate training is a MUST! Not only for potty training but also when you want to "put your puppy away" they have a place where they feel comfortable. However, I have learned that the crate should NOT be used for disciplinary purposes. If you want to crate successfully then your puppy must associate the crate with only positive things. Up until about two months ago we fed Dodger (our puppy) exclusively in his crate so now all we have to say is "Dodger, kennel up!" and goes flying into his crate and sticks his head out waiting for food. We never place him in the crate without a kong or a yummy chew toy. Overall I must say this has worked great. Our sources were mainly Before and After Getting Your Puppy: The Positive Approach to Raising a Happy, Healthy, and Well-Behaved Dog by Dr. Ian Dunbar and our puppy class teacher. Our puppy class teacher says that to discipline bad behavior you have to mark the instance temporily by saying something like "TOO BAD!" and then placing your puppy in a bathroom or closet with the lights out for 15-20 seconds.
    Steve

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  • I thought this thread was going to be about something else.

    And more interesting.
    I'm trying to drink away the part of the day I cannot sleep away...
  • smg9779smg9779 Posts: 235
    I thought this thread was going to be about something else.

    And more interesting.

    After reading the topic, what did you have in mind?
    Steve

    11/18/97 Oakland
    07/13/98 Los Angeles
    07/14/98 Los Angeles
    10/31/99 Bridge School
    10/28/00 San Bernardino
    10/31/00 Mountain View
    10/21/01 Bridge School
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  • smg9779 wrote:
    After reading the topic, what did you have in mind?

    I was hoping it was going to be about his daughter.
    I'm trying to drink away the part of the day I cannot sleep away...
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    I was hoping it was going to be about his daughter.


    meh... your reply was far too obvious
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dunkman wrote:
    meh... your reply was far too obvious

    meh
    I'm trying to drink away the part of the day I cannot sleep away...
  • I was hoping it was going to be about his daughter.

    In HIS cage...daughter?

    Not too bright...
    Is it so wrong to think that love can keep us safe?
  • In HIS cage...daughter?

    Not too bright...

    Gramma Slam.


    POW
    I'm trying to drink away the part of the day I cannot sleep away...
  • Gramma Slam.


    POW
    ooooooook...

    If you don't like my threads, then don't reply...very simple.
    Is it so wrong to think that love can keep us safe?
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