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spyguyspyguy Posts: 613
edited August 2008 in A Moving Train
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080815/ap_on_re_eu/russia_us_missile_defense

MOSCOW - A top Russian general said Friday that Poland's agreement to accept a U.S. missile interceptor base exposes the ex-communist nation to attack, possibly by nuclear weapons, the Interfax news agency reported.


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  • miskinmiskin Posts: 278
    bring on the new Cold War.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    spyguy wrote:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080815/ap_on_re_eu/russia_us_missile_defense

    MOSCOW - A top Russian general said Friday that Poland's agreement to accept a U.S. missile interceptor base exposes the ex-communist nation to attack, possibly by nuclear weapons, the Interfax news agency reported.


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    wow

    I think Russia is being a bit ridiculous with threatening Poland but how do you think we would react if Russia placed missile and radar installations in Mexico or Canada?
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • spyguyspyguy Posts: 613
    mammasan wrote:
    I think Russia is being a bit ridiculous with threatening Poland but how do you think we would react if Russia placed missile and radar installations in Mexico or Canada?

    probably not good. but I find it unlikely we would threaten Canada with nuclear weapons.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    spyguy wrote:
    probably not good. but I find it unlikely we would threaten Canada with nuclear weapons.

    No we probably wouldn't threaten Canada with nuclear weapons, but we would definitely threaten Russia or Canada with either sanctions or military strikes against the installations. The point is that we have been pushing Russia into a corner and they have finally had enough.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    mammasan wrote:
    No we probably wouldn't threaten Canada with nuclear weapons, but we would definitely threaten Russia or Canada with either sanctions or military strikes against the installations. The point is that we have been pushing Russia into a corner and they have finally had enough.

    So the only reason for Russian militarism is the U.S.?
  • spyguyspyguy Posts: 613
    mammasan wrote:
    No we probably wouldn't threaten Canada with nuclear weapons, but we would definitely threaten Russia or Canada with either sanctions or military strikes against the installations. The point is that we have been pushing Russia into a corner and they have finally had enough.

    threatening other coutries with nukes is a problem.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    reborncareerist wrote:
    So the only reason for Russian militarism is the U.S.?

    I never said that.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    spyguy wrote:
    threatening other coutries with nukes is a problem.

    Threatening a country period is a problem.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    I am not saying that the U.S. isn't causing major problems in the world today, but damn ...There is something about the Russians. Who in their right mind actually threatens nuclear strikes? People need to lay off the vodka or something.
  • spyguyspyguy Posts: 613
    mammasan wrote:
    Threatening a country period is a problem.

    I agree. but nukes? thats a different ballgame.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    spyguy wrote:
    I agree. but nukes? thats a different ballgame.

    No it's definitely uncalled for, but in all honesty it's a bluff and everyone knows it. Russia just developed a case of beer muscles because of Georgia and now they are shooting off their mouths. In a week or two this will all die down and a year from now no one will even remember what was said.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    mammasan wrote:
    No it's definitely uncalled for, but in all honesty it's a bluff and everyone knows it. Russia just developed a case of beer muscles because of Georgia and now they are shooting off their mouths. In a week or two this will all die down and a year from now no one will even remember what was said.


    Probably true. It'd just be nice if the Russians would can the bluster. There's no call for it.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    reborncareerist wrote:
    I am not saying that the U.S. isn't causing major problems in the world today, but damn ...There is something about the Russians. Who in their right mind actually threatens nuclear strikes? People need to lay of the vodka or something.

    I'm not implied that we are the cause of Russia's recent actions, but the reality is that we have and are continuing to fuck with Russia. We would never put up with Russia if they tried to do what we are doing now. Hell the Cuban Missile Crisis is a perfect example. But just because we have been poking the big bear doesn't give them the right to go threatening other countries with nuclear strikes. Though as I said they are just bluffing.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,625
    The U.S.A. bickering with Russia reminds me of my childhood......oh, how I've missed the red scare.

    Remember "The Day After"...it was a made-for-tv movie that dealt with us nuking/getting nuked by the Ruskies. Was kinda spooky to watch.
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    The U.S.A. bickering with Russia reminds me of my childhood......oh, how I've missed the red scare.

    Remember "The Day After"...it was a made-for-tv movie that dealt with us nuking/getting nuked by the Ruskies. Was kinda spooky to watch.

    Exactly. This whole thing is very retro ... Except that bell bottoms are just humerous, whereas talking about nuclear strikes is just psychopathic.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Probably true. It'd just be nice if the Russians would can the bluster. There's no call for it.

    What are they supposed to do. They know they can't really fuck with us directly. So just like any wanna-be tough guy they talk a lot of shit in public but behind closed doors they will sit quietly and take what is handed to them.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    The U.S.A. bickering with Russia reminds me of my childhood......oh, how I've missed the red scare.

    Remember "The Day After"...it was a made-for-tv movie that dealt with us nuking/getting nuked by the Ruskies. Was kinda spooky to watch.

    That movie was just on the other night. What a classic.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    mammasan wrote:
    What are they supposed to do. They know they can't really fuck with us directly. So just like any wanna-be tough guy they talk a lot of shit in public but behind closed doors they will sit quietly and take what is handed to them.

    I dunno ... They could say something like "U.S. military plans in Poland are a potential threat to our security" and leave it at that. They could even use the classic "all options are on the table" approach. There is something to be said for subtlety. Even the North Koreans are better at diplomacy than these guys.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    reborncareerist wrote:
    I dunno ... They could say something like "U.S. military plans in Poland are a potential threat to our security" and leave it at that. They could even use the classic "all options are on the table" approach. There is something to be said for subtlety. Even the North Koreans are better at diplomacy than these guys.

    The Russian where never any good at subtlety.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,625
    mammasan wrote:
    That movie was just on the other night. What a classic.

    Wow, who showed it?

    I love watching Red Dawn. Such a surreal topic to explore!
  • CorporateWhoreCorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    mammasan wrote:
    I think Russia is being a bit ridiculous with threatening Poland but how do you think we would react if Russia placed missile and radar installations in Mexico or Canada?

    We would be pissed. We would also be pissed if Russia was training Latin American militaries, as we train Eastern European militaries.

    When we defeated the USSR, that was the time to let them have their space. When you rub the loser's nose in defeat, all you do is piss them off and foreshadow future aggression.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    We would be pissed. We would also be pissed if Russia was training Latin American militaries, as we train Eastern European militaries.

    When we defeated the USSR, that was the time to let them have their space. When you rub the loser's nose in defeat, all you do is piss them off and foreshadow future aggression.

    I agree with you 100%.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    Wow, who showed it?

    I love watching Red Dawn. Such a surreal topic to explore!

    I believe it was the SciFi Channel.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • spyguyspyguy Posts: 613
    I agree we should ease off on the missle defense shit, but Russia is taking this a bit too far with these kind of threats
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Red Dawn! I have to watch that again ...
  • VINNY GOOMBAVINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,818
    We need Rocky right now...

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  • CorporateWhoreCorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    VINNY GOOMBA wrote:
    We need Rocky right now...

    "If I can change... and you can change... "

    ...then everybody can change!"

    Most brilliant movie line ever. The USSR chants "USA USA USA." Ahhhh those were the days.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • miskinmiskin Posts: 278
    spyguy wrote:
    I agree we should ease off on the missle defense shit, but Russia is taking this a bit too far with these kind of threats
    Russia takes everything too far.
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  • ThecureThecure Posts: 814
    mammasan wrote:
    No we probably wouldn't threaten Canada with nuclear weapons, but we would definitely threaten Russia or Canada with either sanctions or military strikes against the installations. The point is that we have been pushing Russia into a corner and they have finally had enough.

    you really think that the USA woudl do anything to Canada? please. we are beloved around the world. if the USA did anything to Canada military to Canada the US would be fucked. Sorry i just had a "Damm i am a proud Canadian moment"
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  • spyguyspyguy Posts: 613
    Thecure wrote:
    you really think that the USA woudl do anything to Canada? please. we are beloved around the world. if the USA did anything to Canada military to Canada the US would be fucked. Sorry i just had a "Damm i am a proud Canadian moment"

    I dont think anyone who notice ;)
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