but neither is Clinton going to win on delegates, not with Obama ahead by over 100 plegded delegates, the super-delegates are not going to swing things Clinton's way because of what going against the will of the people could mean to their own political careers. so for a convention compromise of a split ticket that would mean Clinton having to take the VP spot...do you honestly think she'd take playing a distant second fiddle to anyone?
In fact why would her husband go out there and put the idea out there if they werent willing to accept that. Say what you want about the Clintons but stupid they are not. They can do the math. If President Clinton says "split ticket" and they probably cant win on delegates either they have to know that they are more likely to be the VP at this time. Of course wild cards could still be re-votes in Michigan and Florida. If Hillary can win Pennsylvania, another big state, and some of the other Applachian states, and get re-votes which result in Primaries in Michigan and Fla she can lead going into the convention. But that is alot of ifs....
And all BILL CLINTON said was that it would be a formidable national ticket. Frankly I took it to mean that they might be willing to accept VP themselves. They never said Obama would be the VP.
This whole thing is flying far above your head if you just think Bill is just "throwing that idea" out there. The Clintons are cold and calculated, Clinton\Obama idea, which Hillary has also brought up is to fuck with Obama supporters and undecided superdelegates.
Hillary is still behind and there is no way for her to catch him. Even if she wins every state, he is still ahead.
He needs to hit her back hard on this issue.
"Why the fuck would you want me on your ticket bitch if you don’t want me answering the goddamn "red phone" at 3am."
"Im not experienced enough remember? What kind of judgment is that Mrs Super Experienced Senator?"
Throw this classic Clinton double speak right back at them...
"...As far as I know he's a Christian" Clinton has gone to Church services and prayed with him!
I am shocked Dems are still fools by these fucks...
Your agrument is flawed. You havnet been reading the exit polling data as of late. The majority of clinton supporters show strong support for Obama when asked the question would you still vote with Obama as the nominee. When Obama supporters are asked the same question a significant number say they will "stay home" or not support Clinton.
Polls? Really? Because they have been so accurate. If Obama is on the ticket and he gets the vote out his people will not stay home no matter what. Clinton people are more likely to swing to McCain then Obama people. Further, Obama has been winning Caucus states. Not primary states. So who cares if the 10000 people who voted for Obama in a Caucus do. If he is on the ticket and the party unites, 6 months from now everyone will be pulling together as opposed to just half of us. It just makes sense. Look, I do not want Obama to be the nominee and I know when push comes to shove if the whole party is united it will be hard for me to pull the lever for McCain which is my inclination. If the party is divided, the Dems will lose. Bill Clinton knows this as does everyone else in the party by now. At least he had the balls to put it out there. Thats what experience is. And Obama would be crazy to say no to the only Democrats in the party who have taken down the Republican Machine in two national elections. They know how to take the hits and keep on going. Obama has a glass jaw.
This whole thing is flying far above your head if you just think Bill is just "throwing that idea" out there. The Clintons are cold and calculated, Clinton\Obama idea, which Hillary has also brought up is to fuck with Obama supporters and undecided superdelegates.
Hillary is still behind and there is no way for her to catch him. Even if she wins every state, he is still ahead.
He needs to hit her back hard on this issue.
"Why the fuck would you want me on your ticket bitch if you don’t want me answering the goddamn "red phone" at 3am."
"Im not experienced enough remember? What kind of judgment is that Mrs Super Experienced Senator?"
Throw this classic Clinton double speak right back at them...
"...As far as I know he's a Christian" Clinton has gone to Church services and prayed with him!
I am shocked Dems are still fools by these fucks...
Cant argue politics with a hater anymore. Just watch and learn.
Polls? Really? Because they have been so accurate. If Obama is on the ticket and he gets the vote out his people will not stay home no matter what. Clinton people are more likely to swing to McCain then Obama people. Further, Obama has been winning Caucus states. Not primary states. So who cares if the 10000 people who voted for Obama in a Caucus do. If he is on the ticket and the party unites, 6 months from now everyone will be pulling together as opposed to just half of us. It just makes sense. Look, I do not want Obama to be the nominee and I know when push comes to shove if the whole party is united it will be hard for me to pull the lever for McCain which is my inclination. If the party is divided, the Dems will lose. Bill Clinton knows this as does everyone else in the party by now. At least he had the balls to put it out there. Thats what experience is. And Obama would be crazy to say no to the only Democrats in the party who have taken down the Republican Machine in two national elections. They know how to take the hits and keep on going. Obama has a glass jaw.
Again your lack of knowledge on this whole process is really showing in your posts. The Polling has been very acurate, NH being the ONLY difference there. Ohio polls AND Texas polls all had Hillary inching ahead before they voted. You really should find out what is going on before talking about a subject.
Again your lack of knowledge on this whole process is really showing in your posts. The Polling has been very acurate, NH being the ONLY difference there. Ohio polls AND Texas polls all had Hillary inching ahead before they voted. You really should find out what is going on before talking about a subject.
Since I guess its all about the Polls, today Clinton leads in all polls in Pennsylvania by ten points. The other big remaining primary is North Carolina where Obama is up by single digits. So Clinton wins Pennsylvanis, Obama wins Carolina and who cares what happens in the other small primaries. There is no scenario where either candidate can win on delegates. So, there has to be a deal. Or...re-votes in Florida in Michigan which makes more and more sense. A real vote in two real primaries in states you really need to win to beat McCain makes sense. Let the voters in those states get to know the candidates. Obama could use the opportunity to explain his dumbass statements about Cuba. Then you have no argument that everyone didnt get to vote. All the delegates will be counted and you might get a winner without a convention fight. Makes sense. Whats to fear?
Again your lack of knowledge on this whole process is really showing in your posts. The Polling has been very acurate, NH being the ONLY difference there. Ohio polls AND Texas polls all had Hillary inching ahead before they voted. You really should find out what is going on before talking about a subject.
Did anyone watch Meet The Press this morning? Tim Russert did a nice job with the Governor of PA on this subject.
He said something like..."how can Hillary say Obama isn't experienced enough to be President, and then claim to want him as her VP. The VP is only one heartbeat away from being President. How does that make sense?"
Did anyone watch Meet The Press this morning? Tim Russert did a nice job with the Governor of PA on this subject.
He said something like..."how can Hillary say Obama isn't experienced enough to be President, and then claim to want him as her VP. The VP is only one heartbeat away from being President. How does that make sense?"
It was brilliant.
Get people thinking a vote for Clinton will get you Obama on the ticket. 2 for 1.
My point was that Russert actually said it doesn't make sense for Hillary to try and spin it like that.
Its creative. I actually like that spin. At the same time I wonder if Hillary is also boxing herself into to accepting the VP position herself. That is, assuming it is available if she does not win. It may be the only way to get the entire Democratic team on the same page. I mean even if Obama wins the party really does need to worry that he did not carry any of the Democratic base states and lost alot of them soundly.
I do hope they're on the same ticket together, however it works.
"Where there is sacrifice there is someone collecting the sacrificial offerings."-- Ayn Rand
"Some of my friends sit around every evening and they worry about the times ahead,
But everybody else is overwhelmed by indifference and the promise of an early bed..."-- Elvis Costello
Polls? Really? Because they have been so accurate. If Obama is on the ticket and he gets the vote out his people will not stay home no matter what. Clinton people are more likely to swing to McCain then Obama people. Further, Obama has been winning Caucus states. Not primary states. So who cares if the 10000 people who voted for Obama in a Caucus do.
Incorrect. Obama has won more caucus and more primary states (14-13 in Obama's favor for primary states won). So he's ahead in the total number of states won, the delegates, and the popular vote. If he was running against anyone other than Clinton, he'd have the nomination by now.
Asking her to be on the ticket would anchor him down. There would be a mass exodus for McCain, as, for whatever reason (and I'm starting to see those reasons) people outside of core support simply do not like Hillary Clinton. And having her on the ticket would neutralize any "change" aspect of the campaign. McCain would effectively be the "new guy." And, more than anything else right now, people want a "new guy."
This whole thing is flying far above your head if you just think Bill is just "throwing that idea" out there. The Clintons are cold and calculated, Clinton\Obama idea, which Hillary has also brought up is to fuck with Obama supporters and undecided superdelegates.
Hillary is still behind and there is no way for her to catch him. Even if she wins every state, he is still ahead.
He needs to hit her back hard on this issue.
"Why the fuck would you want me on your ticket bitch if you don’t want me answering the goddamn "red phone" at 3am."
"Im not experienced enough remember? What kind of judgment is that Mrs Super Experienced Senator?"
Throw this classic Clinton double speak right back at them...
"...As far as I know he's a Christian" Clinton has gone to Church services and prayed with him!
I am shocked Dems are still fools by these fucks...
He's pretty much said all those things (minus the Christian line) in the last couple of days - as well as point out the shear arrogance of Clinton for offering the guy in the number one spot the number two position.
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This whole thing is flying far above your head if you just think Bill is just "throwing that idea" out there. The Clintons are cold and calculated, Clinton\Obama idea, which Hillary has also brought up is to fuck with Obama supporters and undecided superdelegates.
Hillary is still behind and there is no way for her to catch him. Even if she wins every state, he is still ahead.
He needs to hit her back hard on this issue.
"Why the fuck would you want me on your ticket bitch if you don’t want me answering the goddamn "red phone" at 3am."
"Im not experienced enough remember? What kind of judgment is that Mrs Super Experienced Senator?"
Throw this classic Clinton double speak right back at them...
"...As far as I know he's a Christian" Clinton has gone to Church services and prayed with him!
I am shocked Dems are still fools by these fucks...
Polls? Really? Because they have been so accurate. If Obama is on the ticket and he gets the vote out his people will not stay home no matter what. Clinton people are more likely to swing to McCain then Obama people. Further, Obama has been winning Caucus states. Not primary states. So who cares if the 10000 people who voted for Obama in a Caucus do. If he is on the ticket and the party unites, 6 months from now everyone will be pulling together as opposed to just half of us. It just makes sense. Look, I do not want Obama to be the nominee and I know when push comes to shove if the whole party is united it will be hard for me to pull the lever for McCain which is my inclination. If the party is divided, the Dems will lose. Bill Clinton knows this as does everyone else in the party by now. At least he had the balls to put it out there. Thats what experience is. And Obama would be crazy to say no to the only Democrats in the party who have taken down the Republican Machine in two national elections. They know how to take the hits and keep on going. Obama has a glass jaw.
Cant argue politics with a hater anymore. Just watch and learn.
Again your lack of knowledge on this whole process is really showing in your posts. The Polling has been very acurate, NH being the ONLY difference there. Ohio polls AND Texas polls all had Hillary inching ahead before they voted. You really should find out what is going on before talking about a subject.
http://www.pollster. com is a great place to start
Just a question for you, why would you want a president that has cancer on his face? You see that budlge latley? It has gotten bigger.
Youre making me sleepy
I think I saw some blow under Snowbama's nose.
Well, there goes any credibility you might have brought to this forum. Hillary...Iranian...women...swimming.
There's some words to float round in your mind if you want to get down and dirty politically.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
He said something like..."how can Hillary say Obama isn't experienced enough to be President, and then claim to want him as her VP. The VP is only one heartbeat away from being President. How does that make sense?"
It was brilliant.
ummm....duh?
My point was that Russert actually said it doesn't make sense for Hillary to try and spin it like that.
Its creative. I actually like that spin. At the same time I wonder if Hillary is also boxing herself into to accepting the VP position herself. That is, assuming it is available if she does not win. It may be the only way to get the entire Democratic team on the same page. I mean even if Obama wins the party really does need to worry that he did not carry any of the Democratic base states and lost alot of them soundly.
Tells Mississippi crowd, 'You have to make a choice in this election'
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23561422/
I do hope they're on the same ticket together, however it works.
"Some of my friends sit around every evening and they worry about the times ahead,
But everybody else is overwhelmed by indifference and the promise of an early bed..."-- Elvis Costello
Asking her to be on the ticket would anchor him down. There would be a mass exodus for McCain, as, for whatever reason (and I'm starting to see those reasons) people outside of core support simply do not like Hillary Clinton. And having her on the ticket would neutralize any "change" aspect of the campaign. McCain would effectively be the "new guy." And, more than anything else right now, people want a "new guy."