Obama/Clinton ticket possible - Just ask Bill Clinton
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Yup. He said it today. Already jockying for the convention. He makes a good argument. Obama would carry urban areas and Clinton could shore up the rural areas she won. Question is who would be #1 and who would be #2? Would Hillary take the VP? Would Obama? Sounds possible now. Is it smart? Hard to say. Ticket would be be very vulnerable on National Security. BUT whoever loses this campaign may have alot of disenfranchised voters. And if Clinton loses and is not on the ticket look for some of those people and moderates to go to McCain. I can see that ticket winning actually. I think if you can unite the Obama people with the Clintons on the campaign trial with them, could be hard to beat.
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yeah but with bush out of office other countries might not hate us as much. i remember reading somewhere how much oral support obama gets from international communities
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Alex Jones has been saying it's going to be a spilt ticket for a few months now.
Clinton\Obama, after Hillary cheats Barack for the nomination, and Barack graciously accepts the VP slot instead of protesting like a guy with the balls he says he has.
We'll see, though.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Yeah right.
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Alex Jones is a fucking idiot.
Really makes you wonder how such a "kook" could have figured out that there would be an event involving airplanes, Bin Laden, and the World Trade Center, but the Government claims it was totally caught of guard.
Yeah fucking right.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
never said he didn't, but this was obama being reported by the media so its not unlikely they left that part out
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I'll be shocked if it doesn't happen.
I think Hillary needs Obama on her ticket a lot more than Obama would need her. He doesn't at all, and it would go against his who campaign.
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Does it? I don't know if you look at the issues, nut they're 98% the same. Some of us believe there should be more than two names at the top of a Presidential ticket for almost 30 years.
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No matter who wins the other candidates people would be very very disenfranchised and may not vote at all. Just ask the two Obamabots on this thread. I highly doubt that when all is said and done Obama people are going to vote for McCain or not vote if their man is not on the ticket. It's all talk. I think Obama gains more than Hillary by putting her on his ticket or vice versa. Clinton won the big populous states. Obama won the Red states. Hillary needs a national security VP to have a chance with moderates. But I think she would chose him if it meant having a unified party with no one disenfranchised going into the general. It just means someone will need to check their ego and at least Bill Clinton is smart enough there will have to be a deal at the convention. Highly unlikely Obama wins straight up before convention. Clinton will have the VP if she wants it. Obama has no choice if its offered to him in exchange for withdrawing from a convention fight. So you want to re-think never? Its more likely than not.
16 years years of White House baggage? You think Barack Obama wants to answer questions about Marc Rich on the campaign trail because Hillary got him a pardon while her husband was the President. Do you think Barack Obama wants the pundits making cracks about Bill not having anything to do in Washington? Do you think Barack Obama wants 35 years worth of shady business dealings by the Clintons bringing down his campaign? A word the Obama has been too good to mutter in this election cycle...Whitewater. Do you think Barack Obama wants Bill Clinton telling him for the next four years how he would have handled the situation? This isn't even cracking the surface into the smear that would come to Barack Obama if he chose Hillary Clinton as a running mate.
Yes, Hillary won the big populous states. New York, New Jersey, Mass., and California. Guess what though? Those states will be blue in November no matter what? Not a great argument if you are in the Clinton camp. She's also won Texas, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Oklahoma. Do you really think that those will be blue states in the fall? No chance. Al Gore couldn't even deliver Tennessee for the Dems and that is his home state.
Swing states that Hillary has won. Ohio. That's it. Barack Obama has won Virginia, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Missouri. Missouri is a big of a swing state as Ohio, so they should cancel eachother out. Don't even bring up Florida. Barack Obama did not campaign there. One thing you realize when you follow this is that she has started off with 20+ point leads in state after state after state. Once Barack Obama visits those states, the numbers start swinging in his favor and he closes the gap there within weeks.
No candidate will have the needed delegates before the convention. Obama will go in with the most states won and the most total delegates at that point. If he goes in with the popular vote lead too, the Democratic party cannot afford to pull a George W. Bush supreme court victory with the super delegates trumping the will of the people.
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I also think Hillary talking about a split ticket is B.S. she is trying to tell Obama supports "vote for me I will keep your guy around" only to pick someone else later on.....
Dont be so sure Obama can carry California, New York or Florida. Clinton support is very strong is these states. Here is more support for the argument of a split ticket. Dont blame me this time, blame the press.
Moderates will vote for McCain if Obama wins.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/119953/page/1
So you don't think Clinton supporters would back Obama? She's telling her supporters he's a strong enough candidate to be one heart beat away from being President as a VP, but not as a candidate?
To assume that Barack Obama couldn't win California or New York is beyond insane. Lets pretend that California had a primary on it's own date and not with 21 other states. Hillary Clinton had a 20+ point lead in the weeks leading up to Super Tuesday. While Obama was visiting many other states and not putting all his eggs in one basket, he STILL managed to narrow her margin of victory significantly.
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Well since I live here and around alot of political people I can tell you what the buzz is. I am not saying he would not win, I am saying he is vulnerable in those states. He already fucked himself in Florida with his comments about Castro and the embargo, so mark that state Red already. California has a strong and popular REPUBLICAN governor. A little guy named Schwarzeneger who is all about McCain. New York has Guliani. Dont believe for a second that people in the Big Apple aren't still about national security. So....if Obama has an opportunity to put Clinton on the ticket and decides to fight, dont count on it. That would put Clinton people who are far more centrist than Obama people, potentially over to McCain. Myself included. If everyone kissed and made up, if Obama leads in the delegate count and popular vote going into the convention AND offers up VP to Hillary in exchange for dropping the convention fight I, as a Clinton supporter, would vote for that ticket. Otherwise, probably not. This almost has to happen at this point assuming no one gets to the magic number and I dont think the Clintons would divide the party at the convention if they knew they could not win. Cant say the same about Obama.
And all BILL CLINTON said was that it would be a formidable national ticket. Frankly I took it to mean that they might be willing to accept VP themselves. They never said Obama would be the VP.
Since national security is a big issue in New York still, what is Hillary's national security experience?
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You dont need to regurgitate Obama's campaign talking points. I was talking about McCain. That's they guy you are running against in the general election. I dont need to remind you of his credentials do I? Neither Obama or Clinton have National Security experience. Personally I thought Clinton should run with Jim Webb to shore up that issue. But that doesn't look like it will happen. Dual ticket is going to happen absent a dramatic turn of events between now and June. Both candidates have big problems on that issue. But the way things are going its going to be about the Economy anyways in which case edge to the Democrats. Joint ticket makes sense in that area. You have to agree that a united party will be far better than a divided one come November.
We all know "BillyBoy" had plenty of oral support in the Oval office
that's exactly the first things that crossed my mind when I heard her talking about a split ticket. perhaps because she is always talking out of both sides of her mouth and she will say anything to win.
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It really isn't insane to think that Obama couldn't carry California. The only major state he's carried is his own.
There are lots of pundits who think he'll have trouble. Here's an interesting analysis:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/obama_is_weak_in_key_general_e.html
but neither is Clinton going to win on delegates, not with Obama ahead by over 100 plegded delegates, the super-delegates are not going to swing things Clinton's way because of what going against the will of the people could mean to their own political careers. so for a convention compromise of a split ticket that would mean Clinton having to take the VP spot...do you honestly think she'd take playing a distant second fiddle to anyone?
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Your agrument is flawed. You havnet been reading the exit polling data as of late. The majority of clinton supporters show strong support for Obama when asked the question would you still vote with Obama as the nominee. When Obama supporters are asked the same question a significant number say they will "stay home" or not support Clinton.