Have the terrorists won?

Gonzo1977

They've exploited our worst fears and ignorance. They've crippled our moral. Our Infrastructure is erroding, and our economy is crashing. We've lost faith in ourselves, and we've lost faith in our leaders. The symptoms are clear, yet we can't seem to diagnose the problem.
We're scared and We're lost.

It's the bottom of the 9th.

VINNY GOOMBA

Cosmo wrote:

If the terrorists DO hate us because of our freedom... like people will tell you... then, wouldn't things like evesdroping on our phone calls without warrants be stripping us of our Constitutional Rights protecting us from illegal searches? And by doing so... aren't we doing to ourselves... exactly WHAT THE TERRORISTS WANT?

EXACTLY.

The other day, I was arguing with someone about the Patriot Act, I was of course against it, he was for it. This guy really trusts Bush, and his intentions-- sad, I know. I said to him, "You do realize that this law (The Patriot Act) doesn't just apply to this administration, right? When Barack HUSSEIN Obama gets in to office, you do realize that he's going to have all the power in the world over the people because of this law, right?"

It got him thinking about how unconstitutional and dangerous this law actually is in the "wrong hands." George W. may not be the "wrong hands" to a lot of people, but they'd have to be really short-sighted to think that we could NEVER have a president that was truly capable of abusing this law.

Keep in mind, I don't think Obama is a closet Muslim. However, I think I figured out how to convert people with that "Red State mentality," who are totally in favor of the Patriot Act, against it. "I can see how you'd want W. to have this power-- since he's such an awesome turrrurist fighting cowboy, but would you want someone like OBAMA to have this power? Or any other democrat?"

Try it out on someone... I'd like to see if it had the same effect that it did for me.

LiteTheMatch

They took our jobs

saveuplife

QuestionAuthority wrote:

This topic was brought up last night on Bill Maher.. one of the panelist talked about how the financial crisis we are facing is EXACTLY what the terrorists had intended to do.. and to me it looks like they achieved that goal. According to what we are told we were basically like two days away from bankruptcy..

It seems as though Bin Laden is laughing his ass off knowing he achieved exactly what was intended..

Do you agree or diagree?

IMHO the only tie to terrorism right now is interest rates. Greenspan lowered them substantially after 9/11 and kept them too low... that created the bubble in housing. That's what burst recently and that's why we are where we are.

In that line of thinking, yes, I think the terrorists were responsible. However, I do not think they imagined this scenario. I think they thought we'd crumble right away. They were wrong.

Hopefully, we won't crumble at all.... but, it sure does not look good.... especially today.

mammasan

I wouldn't say the terrorists won simply because they had no hand in this mess but I'm sure they are laughing their asses off right now. It's unfortunate that we harmed ourselves far more gravely than any terrorist organization would have ever been possible of doing.

mca47

g under p wrote:

Bin Laden in a million years couldn't have dreamed up of a way of destroying our financial system yet we've created a way to almost destroy it ourselves.

So sadly yes in a sense they have won.

Peace

Actually Bin Laden and he followers said before 9/11 and I quote "We cannot take down a economic superpower but we can cause them to bring themselves down." This was repeated by his captured "high in commands" well after the fact.

They have done just that. They knew our response well before we initiated it. They knew the instant gut/military reaction (which is what we are pre-determined to do given certain political power) would lead us down a road of no end and endless financial disturbance. Upwards of a trillion dollars spent on a war of a handful of guys who crashed planes into buildings may lead to the crash of one of the greatest superpowers in history.
On the most positive note, this will take 10-15 years to get out of and after that point if you don't think "they" won...you are a fool!

They inserted that giant Trojan horse into our system, and the gut reaction of ignorant fools didn't see pass the facade and we are hear to suffer because of a group of rogues could think beyond our leaders in our so called superpower.

They won, and it is now our time to re-shift our goals, our intentions and focus on the problem at hand.



What has been spent on the war in Iraq could have covered health insurance of every man, woman and child in America (look it up) and paid for all new roads, bridges and a ton of schools.

Way to go America! Congratulations, you lost.

QuestionAuthority

mca47 wrote:

Actually Bin Laden and he followers said before 9/11 and I quote "We cannot take down a economic superpower but we can cause them to bring themselves down." This was repeated by his captured "high in commands" well after the fact.

They have done just that. They knew our response well before we initiated it. They knew the instant gut/military reaction (which is what we are pre-determined to do given certain political power) would lead us down a road of no end and endless financial disturbance. Upwards of a trillion dollars spent on a war of a handful of guys who crashed planes into buildings may lead to the crash of one of the greatest superpowers in history.
On the most positive note, this will take 10-15 years to get out of and after that point if you don't think "they" won...you are a fool!

They inserted that giant Trojan horse into our system, and the gut reaction of ignorant fools didn't see pass the facade and we are hear to suffer because of a group of rogues could think beyond our leaders in our so called superpower.

They won, and it is now our time to re-shift our goals, our intentions and focus on the problem at hand.



What has been spent on the war in Iraq could have covered health insurance of every man, woman and child in America (look it up) and paid for all new roads, bridges and a ton of schools.

Way to go America! Congratulations, you lost.

You could not be more correct on this one.. this is excatly what I meant when the question was asked.. this is exactly what the terrorist predicted we would do and we did it.. hook, line and sinker.

mca47

QuestionAuthority wrote:

You could not be more correct on this one.. this is excatly what I meant when the question was asked.. this is exactly what the terrorist predicted we would do and we did it.. hook, line and sinker.

Yeah, and it's hard for me to say "We lost" or the terrorists are smarter than us, but they played their cards perfectly for this. You know that Bin Laden and others are sitting around right now laughing it up as they see the news of our economic collapse. One thing terrorists, Al Queda excels well at is waiting. They knew full well that we'd react in the way we did, they knew it would cause a great disturbance in our economic system as resources were diverted away from an already fragile system.
They got exactly what they wanted from us. It's crazy to think that their plans were not just to kill innocent people, or bring down a couple of buildings...but to bring down the entire infrastructure by a single event.
What have they done since? Absolutely NOTHING. That has nothing to do with security, homeland security, the patriot act...they haven't tried because they don't need to.
They were playing a simple game of chess with us, and one simple moved caused us to show our hand and make poor judgments and bad moves causing us to put ourselves in a situation that allowed them to sit and their caves and call out "checkmate".

beachdweller

no, Palin hasn't won yet