Have the terrorists won?

QuestionAuthority

This topic was brought up last night on Bill Maher.. one of the panelist talked about how the financial crisis we are facing is EXACTLY what the terrorists had intended to do.. and to me it looks like they achieved that goal. According to what we are told we were basically like two days away from bankruptcy..

It seems as though Bin Laden is laughing his ass off knowing he achieved exactly what was intended..

Do you agree or diagree?

Brain of J.Lo

QuestionAuthority wrote:

This topic was brought up last night on Bill Maher.. one of the panelist talked about how the financial crisis we are facing is EXACTLY what the terrorists had intended to do.. and to me it looks like they achieved that goal. According to what we are told we were basically like two days away from bankruptcy..

It seems as though Bin Laden is laughing his ass off knowing he achieved exactly what was intended..

Do you agree or diagree?

I watched this, too, and I do agree.

But, I also think that the terrorists are winning every time the Republican party employs terrorism by using the idea of "TERROR" to scare the American people away from voting for Democrats who "can't" or "won't" protect them.

beachdweller

QuestionAuthority wrote:

This topic was brought up last night on Bill Maher.. one of the panelist talked about how the financial crisis we are facing is EXACTLY what the terrorists had intended to do.. and to me it looks like they achieved that goal. According to what we are told we were basically like two days away from bankruptcy..

It seems as though Bin Laden is laughing his ass off knowing he achieved exactly what was intended..

Do you agree or diagree?

I agree, look at the USSR's demise. Our infrastructure is falling apart, our military is a mess, equipment broken not being fixed, recruiting down significantly, economy is a disaster, and no end in site to any of this.

youngster

The terrorists won the second the planes hit the towers and the pentagon. What have we done since? Oh yeah, I remember. We invaded the wrong country under false pretenses and have waged war for 5 years because of WMD's that don't exist. Saddam Hussein is dead but Bin Ladin is alive. How has this government done anything that they can consider progress? Oh, they bailed out the billionaires on Wall St. so they can start up another business in a few years and re-fuck the American public.

j-bug

economics follow a 40 year cycle.we were due a massive crash around 1990 but the crash was tiny compared to what should have happened due to goverments pumping money into the system to keep the econimy afloat.
all this did in the long run was put of the crash.
we were going to have a crash sooner or later.
the terrorist however did win because what they actualy wanted to achive was a war between religions.

SoonForgotten2

The terrorists in DC have certainly won.

QuestionAuthority

These are all great replies!

It is interesting how now looking back seven years ago what has really changed and what we have done as a response.

All the responsives have been excellent reads.

DixieN

Bin Laden was indeed aiming for a US financial crisis. I don't think this is quite the one he envisioned. So, the financial crisis has come to pass, but it's one we perpetrated on ourselves. Bin Laden doesn't need to have even existed for us to hang ourselves like we have. So, was bin Laden successful? Absolutely not. But, I'm sure he's walking around with his arm in cast for having vigorously patted himself on the back while taking credit for work that was not his.

ACCBootlegGoddess

Hell yes they won

BUT the American people helped them by putting that idiot in the White House TWICE!!! May still be helping them by putting McClain in there now. They WANT someone quick on the draw in the White House so that they can easily goat the US into wars you all CAN'T afford and knowing it will take away attention from the economy more...allowing for a crash to hit sooner or later.


Flame away Republicans...

iamica

cropduster82 wrote:

The terrorists won the second the planes hit the towers and the pentagon. What have we done since? Oh yeah, I remember. We invaded the wrong country under false pretenses and have waged war for 5 years because of WMD's that don't exist. Saddam Hussein is dead but Bin Ladin is alive. How has this government done anything that they can consider progress? Oh, they bailed out the billionaires on Wall St. so they can start up another business in a few years and re-fuck the American public.

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.

g under p

cropduster82 wrote:

The terrorists won the second the planes hit the towers and the pentagon. What have we done since? Oh yeah, I remember. We invaded the wrong country under false pretenses and have waged war for 5 years because of WMD's that don't exist. Saddam Hussein is dead but Bin Ladin is alive. How has this government done anything that they can consider progress? Oh, they bailed out the billionaires on Wall St. so they can start up another business in a few years and re-fuck the American public.

Starting out with war in Afghanistan then Iraq which some have NOW claimed victory * Mission Accomplished*. Now we're pulling troops from Iraq to go back to Afghanistan to hopefully finish what we started there. All along many, many innocent lives and troops lost in both countries and now seeking War with Iran.

Still some say we're doing a great job in this region yet Bin Laden for some reason goes uncaptured. I said this 5 years ago they are not going to get this guy cause it serves a better purpose to have him go uncaptured. Better to keep the atmosphere of FEAR alive and well.

Bin Laden in a million years couldn't have dreamed up of a way of destroying our financial system yet we've created a way to almost destroy it ourselves. Well at least temporarily, just like the S & L fiasco in a year or two we will be right back in our face once again but at a trillion and Half dollars to save ourselves then.

So sadly yes in a sense they have won.

Peace

Cosmo

If the terrorists DO hate us because of our freedom... like people will tell you... then, wouldn't things like evesdroping on our phone calls without warrants be stripping us of our Constitutional Rights protecting us from illegal searches? And by doing so... aren't we doing to ourselves... exactly WHAT THE TERRORISTS WANT?

Cosmo

cropduster82 wrote:

The terrorists won the second the planes hit the towers and the pentagon. What have we done since? Oh yeah, I remember. We invaded the wrong country under false pretenses and have waged war for 5 years because of WMD's that don't exist. Saddam Hussein is dead but Bin Ladin is alive. How has this government done anything that they can consider progress? Oh, they bailed out the billionaires on Wall St. so they can start up another business in a few years and re-fuck the American public.

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All the terrorists have to do is SAY they are going to attack us from now on. We will spend Billions or Trillions on 'Keeping us Safe' from a future attack... that may or may not ever come. And in the meantime, we remain scared... because we are fed FEAR to justify the spending.
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The best way to 'Win'... it to take the target off our backs. We can do this by ending our foriegn policies that creates the hatred towards us. Mainly, quit meddling in Middle Eastern political affairs and call Isreal an ass... whenever Israel acts like an ass (instead of supporting them on every single thing they do over there). Sometimes, Israel does some pretty shitty things, too. It's not just the Arabs (Palestinians). They are both dicks.
If our foriegn policy was spent to help the everyday Arab over there, instead of lining the already full pockets of corrupt Arab Leaders and oil shieks over there... then, we wouldn't be the target of their rage.

QuestionAuthority

Cosmo wrote:

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All the terrorists have to do is SAY they are going to attack us from now on. We will spend Billions or Trillions on 'Keeping us Safe' from a future attack... that may or may not ever come. And in the meantime, we remain scared... because we are fed FEAR to justify the spending.
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The best way to 'Win'... it to take the target off our backs. We can do this by ending our foriegn policies that creates the hatred towards us. Mainly, quit meddling in Middle Eastern political affairs and call Isreal an ass... whenever Israel acts like an ass (instead of supporting them on every single thing they do over there). Sometimes, Israel does some pretty shitty things, too. It's not just the Arabs (Palestinians). They are both dicks.
If our foriegn policy was spent to help the everyday Arab over there, instead of lining the already full pockets of corrupt Arab Leaders and oil shieks over there... then, we wouldn't be the target of their rage.

Totally agree with you here Cosmo.. spot on.

nothinghead

j-bug wrote:

economics follow a 40 year cycle.we were due a massive crash around 1990 but the crash was tiny compared to what should have happened due to goverments pumping money into the system to keep the econimy afloat.
all this did in the long run was put of the crash.
we were going to have a crash sooner or later.
the terrorist however did win because what they actualy wanted to achive was a war between religions.

I see what you're saying, but I think part of the original point was something like: If we hadn't spent a trillion dollars in Iraq (which some estimate the true cost being as high as three trillion overall), we might have the money necessary to fade the housing market, provide health care for the forty-five million people who are uninsured, hire millions of teachers, or repair all of the nation's roads and highways or some combination of these things. So, it's not so much that there is a direct line between airplanes into the WTC and the housing market crisis. Instead, it's more of an opportunity cost analysis.

Which, of course, is not a perfect argument. But it does make phrases like, "the surge is working," seem kind of suspect. Is there really anyone left who feel that the war to this point has worked better than any of those other things mentioned? I don't know.

Of course, that's not to say we should be trading our broken war for a broken economic plan--namely, the bailout. It's just an illustration of how intertwined all of these seemingly unrelated government actions and policies are.

Piper At The Gates

I think this has been the most cogent, erudite, and truthful thread I have seen here, so far, in a long time.

QuestionAuthority

Piper At The Gates wrote:

I think this has been the most cogent, erudite, and truthful thread I have seen here, so far, in a long time.

I agree with you.

catefrances

imo the terrorists won the minute we invaded afghanistan.

LiteTheMatch

Lol

By Terrorists do you mean the wealthiest bankers?

FiveB247x

Terrorists cause the destruction of the WTC which led to economic problems. Our government and greedy businesses caused this economic mess we now see.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Cosmo wrote:

If the terrorists DO hate us because of our freedom... like people will tell you... then, wouldn't things like evesdroping on our phone calls without warrants be stripping us of our Constitutional Rights protecting us from illegal searches? And by doing so... aren't we doing to ourselves... exactly WHAT THE TERRORISTS WANT?

and 9/11 was not an inside job...



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