Disgusted..

justam

Frankly, these polls are demoralizing. :(

In previous years I had hopes that people would come through and vote reasonably, but now I have less faith in "the average person" because the average person is picking the wrong answer too often!!

RainDog

Pacomc79 wrote:

I think you guys are a little too upset about polls in September. This is going to be a very close election but it would still be a pretty large upset at this point for McCain to win the election after 8 years of George Bush. I'm still thinking the turnout will be larger than ever many of them new voters and most of them voting for Obama.

I'm not that worried about the polls. They're about where I expected them to be, and I definitely get your point about turn-out. However, I don't think a McCain win would be much of an upset (upsetting, perhaps, but not an upset). The fact is, the Republicans are 7 for 10 the last 40 years. I would never underestimate them.

Pacomc79

RainDog wrote:

I'm not that worried about the polls. They're about where I expected them to be, and I definitely get your point about turn-out. However, I don't think a McCain win would be much of an upset (upsetting, perhaps, but not an upset). The fact is, the Republicans are 7 for 10 the last 40 years. I would never underestimate them.

True, but democrats have owned congress for most of that time too and the "Contract with America" largely didn't go anywhere. I think the last two election results are enough that people won't underestimate turnout and they'll get off thier duffs and go vote. To me this is more like the 1994 election than anything, I think people relate more to Obama than McCain and Palin is simply getting attention right now because of the recent selection and the fact that she is really not very well known.

I have to hand it to both campaigns Obama probably picked his perfect guy in Biden and that was a pretty shrewed move by McCain picking Palin, I can't see him getting this type of attention or swing with any of the other choices he had.

Maybe you're right it wouldn't be that much of an upset but I just think Obama resonates with people and motivates them... McCain got screwed in 2000 by fundamentalists and now he's counting on them... I guess. On paper to me depending on turnout McCain has been behind if not almost absent for a while until this good play last week. No reporters ever ask on television, if McCain is the right man for the job now... why wasn't he better in 2000? Why give us a retread canidate your base already dumped on once...in favor of Bush? Seriously? Bush was better? Why?

digster

unsung wrote:

That's funny, because Obama/Biden are doing the exact same thing.

You really think that McCain's camp wants to talk the issues? Of course they don't, because if you bring up the issues you have to bring up the last eight years, which McCain's camp does not want to do under any circumstance; they want to avoid reminding people if they can that McCain and President Bush belong to the same party. Obama and Biden want to bring up these issues cause that means they get to run against Bush's last eight years, and get to constantly remind people that McCain and Bush DO belong to the same party. Both camps have ulterior motives for how they're operating because they both want to bring up the issues of the war, the economy, etc. but the fact remains that only one of those camps is trying to highlight the issues.

digster

Pacomc79 wrote:

I have to hand it to both campaigns Obama probably picked his perfect guy in Biden and that was a pretty shrewed move by McCain picking Palin, I can't see him getting this type of attention or swing with any of the other choices he had.

That's true...I don't think Palin was a great pick on the merits of being a good VP, but politically it was a grand slam.

QuestionAuthority

sponger wrote:

It never ceases to amaze me how people think that a president will enact "change" because the color of his skin is different from the presidents before him.

What honestly will result from an Obama presidency? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Give me one good, thought-out, practical plan he has laid out that will make any kind of difference what so ever in the dismal state of affairs in which this country currently wallows. Didn't think so.

The change brought by Obama has NOTHING to do with the color of his skin..

I can give you one HUGE plan that will make a difference.. he is going to reject that horrendous tax cut given to the richest of the rich. He is going to increase the tax on people making over 250,000 per year.. instead of rewarding companies for bailing out on American workers and sending their jobs abroad to hire a foreigner at cheap wages to do the same job ~ he is going to penalize them for that choice.

I could go on and on as there are oh so many other things.. why dont you go check out those things for yourself on his website.. it is laid out for you nice and easy to read.

QuestionAuthority

know1 wrote:

Maybe part of the whole "beer" and "lunch" thing is the fact that their opposition only resorts to attacking their character and past and doesn't try to spend any time actually discussing the change they plan to make.

Hello pot. Meet Kettle.

That is absurd!

Do you actually believe that?

Have you seen any news coverage in the last, oh I don't know.. MONTH?

freindlyfired

Correction: Bush won...
Bush was appointed President by the supreme court in 2000 based on the only count out of eight that tipped the election his way while Gore and the Democrats were to chicken shit to stand up and call bullshit for fear of being called sore losers.

Bush won the 2004 election based on voter fraud intimadation and abuses throughout the country most notably in Ohio as detailed by the Conyers report, again as the chicken shit Democrats sat back with their thumbs up their azzs.

QuestionAuthority

freindlyfired wrote:

Correction: Bush won...
Bush was appointed President by the supreme court in 2000 based on the only count out of eight that tipped the election his way while Gore and the Democrats were to chicken shit to stand up and call bullshit for fear of being called sore losers.

Bush won the 2004 election based on voter fraud intimadation and abuses throughout the country most notably in Ohio as detailed by the Conyers report, again as the chicken shit Democrats sat back with their thumbs up their azzs.

Could not agree with you more!

I sure hope the democrats grow some balls and start getting pissed and stop backing down and cowering away..

yoke

freindlyfired wrote:

Correction: Bush won...
Bush was appointed President by the supreme court in 2000 based on the only count out of eight that tipped the election his way while Gore and the Democrats were to chicken shit to stand up and call bullshit for fear of being called sore losers.

Bush won the 2004 election based on voter fraud intimadation and abuses throughout the country most notably in Ohio as detailed by the Conyers report, again as the chicken shit Democrats sat back with their thumbs up their azzs.

he still won though