This thread was talking about the aftermath of a McCain win. That's what I was talking about. I am not telling people to take Europe "into account" when going to the polls. I am just pointing out, correctly I believe, that a McCain win will continue to degrade our relationship with the rest of the world. I think it is a valid point.
I would hope the leaders of Europe and the rest of the world would judge our next president on his own merits, whoever he is.
I would hope they wouldn't pre-judge him, based on the (R) or (D) next to his name ... and I'm confident they won't.
As for the citizens of the world, I really don't care what they think of our next president. They don't have to work with him.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Yeah, I know. I was troubled by a column in last week's paper in Philly that said this:
If McCain wins, look for a full-fledged race and class war, fueled by a deflated and depressed country, soaring crime, homelessness - and hopelessness!
I would like to think that won't happen but who knows what will happen after election day.
From what i undestand, from a friend whos job it is to monitor such things, the white supremacist blogosphere is on fire with promises of the same thing if Obama wins. Bahhh...
1995 came and went and so will all of this cazy talk.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
As for the citizens of the world, I really don't care what they think of our next president. They don't have to work with him.
Do you really believe that? That is a really, really ignorant statement.
You might not care what the rest of the world thinks, and that is fine, it is our election after all, but to say that they don't have to work with him is plain ignorant to the current state of the world.
From what i undestand, from a friend whos job it is to monitor such things, the white supremacist blogosphere is on fire with promises of the same thing if Obama wins. Bahhh...
1995 came and went and so will all of this cazy talk.
I'll take your word for it. But as far as I know not too many white supremacists write weekly columns for a major newspaper.
Do you really believe that? That is a really, really ignorant statement.
You might not care what the rest of the world thinks, and that is fine, it is our election after all, but to say that they don't have to work with him is plain ignorant to the current state of the world.
Please explain to me how Pierre the Plumber on the streets of Paris would ever have the occasion to meet our next president, let alone work with him.
If your answer includes anything other than, "the john backed up at in the president's suite," you're wrong.
Of course, our next president has to work with the LEADERS of other countries. They'll never, ever even meet the common citizens, which is what I was talking about.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
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it says what i've suspected for too long. americans are not very bright, are very lazy, and have no attention span for anything other than paparrazzi style soundbytes and histrionic "journalism" like the lipstick nonsense.
I don't get this nnsense either, one said in the past and this one said it and....Next squabble please.
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Europe is a pretty fucked up place, governmentally. Most of the countries there border on socialist. I wouldn't want my country to be governed in the manner Europe is.
They also can't deal effectively with crisis. Look at the response to Russia-Georgia ... in the end, it basically boiled down to, "Uh ... Hey, Russia, would you pretty please not invade sovreign nations anymore? We'd really appreciate it. And if you do, we're going to ask you not to again, only using slightly more stern language."
I don't want any of that for America.
So if Europe thinks a candidate would be a great president ... well, that's probably a sign I shouldn't vote for him.
So, in that regard, thanks Europe, for the recommendation!
The other thing: I don't think the average man on the street in Europe knows anything about the two candidates, other the caracitures they've been fed through their notoriously left-wing media ... Of course, I don't know much about their candidates either, which is why I generally don't open my trap about who the people of, say, France should choose to be their leader.
when i studied in europe, the average young european knew more about what was happening in american politics than most of my american college classmates. it's kind of frightening really.
there is nothing shameful or cowardly in considering world opinion before you act. it's true in the business world and anywhere else, that having credibility is a powerful bargaining tool. we don't have much right now. though i will agree europe has done a poor job of responding to crisis. that doesn't mean we need to swing to the opposite extreme just to avoid becoming socialist. there's a lot of room in the middle there.
"poor people got to have hope... The man don't care anymore, he just wants to sell us off, sell us beer, cigarettes, keep us drunk and high... They know all we got is our family, each other....our children".
"they want to send our children off to fight a war... for what??... oil?"
"then we ain't got nothin... nothin but hope"
"to us...Barack Obama is all we have to be hopeful about.... but you probably don't understand that..."
"a poor man with children to feed...hungry children...crying babies...is going to get drunk ....then he gonna steal even though he knows it's wrong."
"Two poor men are gonna rob and steal... And 3 poor men are gonna rob and steal and make plans..."
"you take a whole bunch of poor folk...they gonna burn this place to the ground..."
And
"white people don't understand...black people communicate with their eyes...they can tell who to trust without saying a word...
Have you ever been in prison? Then you'd know this is fact...
Prisons were meant to keep the people inside... But you take 10-20 brothers that wanna bust someone out.... They ain't got no plans for that"
"you put 15 well armed brothers in the back of this grain truck and smash it thru the prison gates... We can set every body free before they can call they momma"
i still fail to see how this is cause for everyone to avoid the inner city just because obama loses the election. sure, emotions may be high. but this isn't rodney king.
Can you really blame one person or a small group of people for the last 8 years? I will make a bet with everyone here that even if McCain wins, the USA will still be here, and you will be alive and well. And if it isn't, I'll pay every one of you 100$ for my false prediction........
But if that’s the case, you'll be more concerned about your safety, clean drinking water, and food during the catastrophic fall of America, you won't have an internet to collect my money, which will be worthless anyway.
Please explain to me how Pierre the Plumber on the streets of Paris would ever have the occasion to meet our next president, let alone work with him.
If your answer includes anything other than, "the john backed up at in the president's suite," you're wrong.
Of course, our next president has to work with the LEADERS of other countries. They'll never, ever even meet the common citizens, which is what I was talking about.
Sorry, I miss read your post.
I thought you meant that our choice for president doesn't effect citizens of other countries around the world.
when i studied in europe, the average young european knew more about what was happening in american politics than most of my american college classmates. it's kind of frightening really.
there is nothing shameful or cowardly in considering world opinion before you act. it's true in the business world and anywhere else, that having credibility is a powerful bargaining tool. we don't have much right now. though i will agree europe has done a poor job of responding to crisis. that doesn't mean we need to swing to the opposite extreme just to avoid becoming socialist. there's a lot of room in the middle there.
Can you really blame one person or a small group of people for the last 8 years? I will make a bet with everyone here that even if McCain wins, the USA will still be here, and you will be alive and well. And if it isn't, I'll pay every one of you 100$ for my false prediction........
But if that’s the case, you'll be more concerned about your safety, clean drinking water, and food during the catastrophic fall of America, you won't have an internet to collect my money, which will be worthless anyway.
i've no doubt it will still be here. it will just be in worse shape. it will be another 4-8 years of ineffective and often disastrous policies when what we really need is to start turning things around.
i've no doubt it will still be here. it will just be in worse shape. it will be another 4-8 years of ineffective and often disastrous policies when what we really need is to start turning things around.
Sure, I agree about change. I just disagree about who should be directing that change.
Sure, I agree about change. I just disagree about who should be directing that change.
fair enough. i'll see you at the polls... but i warn you, my predictions on the ohio state-usc game last night were eerily accurate despite my clear biases, so i'm pretty good at this projection stuff
Sure, I agree about change. I just disagree about who should be directing that change.
Ok so you agree about change...who do you think should lead this change???
Also are you saying that since Obama isn't your first choice for who should be leading this change that keeping the Republicans in office is somehow going to be a BETTER idea???
I'm interested to know your rationale here. I've been asking in several threads now why McCain should get 4 years and not 1 person has been giving me a good answer (then again not 1 person has really given me an answer period). I'm hoping maybe you can be the one who can.
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Ok so you agree about change...who do you think should lead this change???
Also are you saying that since Obama isn't your first choice for who should be leading this change that keeping the Republicans in office is somehow going to be a BETTER idea???
I'm interested to know your rationale here. I've been asking in several threads now why McCain should get 4 years and not 1 person has been giving me a good answer (then again not 1 person has really given me an answer period). I'm hoping maybe you can be the one who can.
Well sorry to tell you I can't change your mind. I'm not here to influence anyone to vote for McCain. As some one has stated before that I live in CT, an Obama state, my vote won't go far. Voting is more than just wanting your pick to win, its a representation of the mind set of our country. If more people vote, we might have a better idea of what this country really wants.
Now to answer you question the best I can: I'm voting for McCain because he (in my opinion) is the best suited for the position of President. I look at what the President's job entails
and he is qualified to take that position. The President doesn't have control over as much as people think. McCain is qualified to command the military due to his experience. He has a great record for work across party lines, which will be important when he is faced with a bill to veto or not. He also stated that he will appoint judges that will look at the issue with a constitutional mind set, not with a bias.
I know that around this time of year, both sides promise more than they can deliver. Thats part of the politics involved during an election. I don't see eye to eye on every issue with McCain (abortion, gay marriage, drilling), but I do feel he will make a better choice for President over Obama. I looked into Nader as well this time around, and he is too liberal for me, even though he says hes an independent, hes too far left.
I do feel that he might not win the election this time around, because Obama has more superficial momentum then McCain. McCain is a rich old white guy, which doesn't scream change, where Obama is a young man from a poor minority background. McCain doesn't seem as personable as Obama, which will turn people off from voting for him. I don't care about a superficial image, whats important is the job he will do if he takes office. Don't get me wrong, Obama will be a great Senator if he stays in Washington, with a lot of intelligent ideas that can balance the special interest in Congress. I don't feel hes ready for the position.
Palin wasn't on the top of my list for VP, and the only reason they picked her was to offset this election. I'm just happy they didn't pick Mit Romney for VP, then I would vote Obama.
But I'm just one vote in the state of Connecticut...............
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Is there any chance we can elect "none of the above"?
Is there any chance we can elect "none of the above"?
I'm voting for none of the above.
The difference here is that we have an immensely powerful federal government now so essentially they'd just hold a special meeting and decide amongst themselves and that wouldn't cause more than a few message boards to blow up.
Americans have virtually decided to give away all the personal responsiblity they can in the name of personal security. They want the freedom to change the channel. They want the freedom to choose Fridays or Chilis or Mcdonalds... and that's about the extent of it. Everything else they feel like they are entitled to once they reach a certain age. I'm not really sure what it would take for people in this country to desire liberty. Most voters are hell bent on a couple of issues, most of those are not issues the Federal government should be into in the first place.
My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
The difference here is that we have an immensely powerful federal government now so essentially they'd just hold a special meeting and decide amongst themselves and that wouldn't cause more than a few message boards to blow up.
Americans have virtually decided to give away all the personal responsiblity they can in the name of personal security. They want the freedom to change the channel. They want the freedom to choose Fridays or Chilis or Mcdonalds... and that's about the extent of it. I'm not really sure what it would take for people in this country to desire liberty. Most voters are hell bent on a couple of issues, most of those are not issues the Federal government should be into in the first place.
I'm sorry to tell you guys but Obama is not going to win this election. It doesn't matter that Sarah Palin didn't know what the Bush Doctrine was. It doesn't matter that she is a religious fanatic who believes in book banning and that we are on a mission from God in regards to Iraq. All that matters is that the media has fallen in line with Sarah Palin. She can do no wrong. Obama's reverend makes some pretty shitty remarks and the media is all over him for weeks. Palin's pastor has done the same and not one word about it. Troopergate is barely mentioned. Palin's snub of community organizers nothing, yet lipstick on a pig dominates the press for 2 days. The winner has been crowned and I will tell you right now it's not Obama. This race isn't even about Obama and McCain anymore. It has been turned into Palin and small town America versus Obama and the metropolitian elitist urban liberal.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
This race isn't even about Obama and McCain anymore. It has been turned into Palin and small town America versus Obama and the metropolitian elitist urban liberal.
Bingo! And, you really have to hand it to them (GOP), they really know how to run and win national elections...what a great stragety.
However, I disagree with you that the election is over...I think it is very much up for grabs.
Bingo! And, you really have to hand it to them (GOP), they really know how to run and win national elections...what a great stragety.
However, I disagree with you that the election is over...I think it is very much up for grabs.
The reason why I say it's done is because There are more voters out there in small town America than in your major urban centers. Without even addressing the issues and what ideas they have to better this country, the McCain/Palin ticket has captured the hearts and minds of these people. It is a damn good strategy. McCain's own campaign manager said it, that personality not issues would win this election.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Bingo! And, you really have to hand it to them (GOP), they really know how to run and win national elections...what a great stragety.
The thing that's so infuriating about all this is that the GOP keeps running on their candidate being closer to that 'regular joe', connected to small-town American values (because people like me in the big cities are obviously baby-killing heathens) whereas the liberal, elite, snobbish Democratic candidates have nothing to do with the concerns of the working class.
Of course, the only candidate this year who was born into a well-to-do family with the silver spoon was John McCain. Likewise, could anyone imagine someone being further from a "regular guy" than George W. Bush? Yet he was the guy everyone "wanted to have a beer with." And it keeps working. Obama was still paying off college loans a few years ago, and McCain is married to a multi-millionare, and never had a lack of material stability in his life, but he is the "middle class" champion. I don't get so pissed at the GOP as the electorate on this one; anyone with a minute of spare time could easily see that this approach is a complete fallacy on the part of the GOP; but people either don't care to know or don't care that they're being lied to. It's something I'll never understand.
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The thing that's so infuriating about all this is that the GOP keeps running on their candidate being closer to that 'regular joe', connected to small-town American values (because people like me in the big cities are obviously baby-killing heathens) whereas the liberal, elite, snobbish Democratic candidates have nothing to do with the concerns of the working class.
Of course, the only candidate this year who was born into a well-to-do family with the silver spoon was John McCain. Likewise, could anyone imagine someone being further from a "regular guy" than George W. Bush? Yet he was the guy everyone "wanted to have a beer with." And it keeps working. Obama was still paying off college loans a few years ago, and McCain is married to a multi-millionare, and never had a lack of material stability in his life, but he is the "middle class" champion. I don't get so pissed at the GOP as the electorate on this one; anyone with a minute of spare time could easily see that this approach is a complete fallacy on the part of the GOP; but people either don't care to know or don't care that they're being lied to. It's something I'll never understand.
To add to what you said, I am also frustrated with the way being an intellectual has been distorted into something negative. I'm sorry but I don't want someone who could be my drinking buddy running this country. I want an intellectual. It just seems that if couldn't play a part in the Hee Haw revival you aren't qualified to be our president.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
To add to what you said, I am also frustrated with the way being an intellectual has been distorted into something negative. I'm sorry but I don't want someone who could be my drinking buddy running this country. I want an intellectual. It just seems that if couldn't play a part in the Hee Haw revival you aren't qualified to be our president.
i would love someone to be president who would be my drinking buddy as long as they were able to do the job.
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
So you're saying you'd make choices based on how Europeans would perceive you? Weird. I make choices based on principle but I guess different people have different criteria.
stop the passive-aggressive sarcastic bullshit.....you sound like a jerk
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I would hope the leaders of Europe and the rest of the world would judge our next president on his own merits, whoever he is.
I would hope they wouldn't pre-judge him, based on the (R) or (D) next to his name ... and I'm confident they won't.
As for the citizens of the world, I really don't care what they think of our next president. They don't have to work with him.
for the least they could possibly do
From what i undestand, from a friend whos job it is to monitor such things, the white supremacist blogosphere is on fire with promises of the same thing if Obama wins. Bahhh...
1995 came and went and so will all of this cazy talk.
Do you really believe that? That is a really, really ignorant statement.
You might not care what the rest of the world thinks, and that is fine, it is our election after all, but to say that they don't have to work with him is plain ignorant to the current state of the world.
I'll take your word for it. But as far as I know not too many white supremacists write weekly columns for a major newspaper.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
Nor do poor angry Black men in the ghetto. The newspaper article you refer to was writen ABOUT a segment of the population not BY them.
Please explain to me how Pierre the Plumber on the streets of Paris would ever have the occasion to meet our next president, let alone work with him.
If your answer includes anything other than, "the john backed up at in the president's suite," you're wrong.
Of course, our next president has to work with the LEADERS of other countries. They'll never, ever even meet the common citizens, which is what I was talking about.
for the least they could possibly do
I don't get this nnsense either, one said in the past and this one said it and....Next squabble please.
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.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
when i studied in europe, the average young european knew more about what was happening in american politics than most of my american college classmates. it's kind of frightening really.
there is nothing shameful or cowardly in considering world opinion before you act. it's true in the business world and anywhere else, that having credibility is a powerful bargaining tool. we don't have much right now. though i will agree europe has done a poor job of responding to crisis. that doesn't mean we need to swing to the opposite extreme just to avoid becoming socialist. there's a lot of room in the middle there.
i still fail to see how this is cause for everyone to avoid the inner city just because obama loses the election. sure, emotions may be high. but this isn't rodney king.
But if that’s the case, you'll be more concerned about your safety, clean drinking water, and food during the catastrophic fall of America, you won't have an internet to collect my money, which will be worthless anyway.
Sorry, I miss read your post.
I thought you meant that our choice for president doesn't effect citizens of other countries around the world.
I apologize.
Good point
i've no doubt it will still be here. it will just be in worse shape. it will be another 4-8 years of ineffective and often disastrous policies when what we really need is to start turning things around.
Sure, I agree about change. I just disagree about who should be directing that change.
fair enough. i'll see you at the polls... but i warn you, my predictions on the ohio state-usc game last night were eerily accurate despite my clear biases, so i'm pretty good at this projection stuff
Ok so you agree about change...who do you think should lead this change???
Also are you saying that since Obama isn't your first choice for who should be leading this change that keeping the Republicans in office is somehow going to be a BETTER idea???
I'm interested to know your rationale here. I've been asking in several threads now why McCain should get 4 years and not 1 person has been giving me a good answer (then again not 1 person has really given me an answer period). I'm hoping maybe you can be the one who can.
Well sorry to tell you I can't change your mind. I'm not here to influence anyone to vote for McCain. As some one has stated before that I live in CT, an Obama state, my vote won't go far. Voting is more than just wanting your pick to win, its a representation of the mind set of our country. If more people vote, we might have a better idea of what this country really wants.
Now to answer you question the best I can: I'm voting for McCain because he (in my opinion) is the best suited for the position of President. I look at what the President's job entails
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powers_of_the_President_of_the_United_States,
and he is qualified to take that position. The President doesn't have control over as much as people think. McCain is qualified to command the military due to his experience. He has a great record for work across party lines, which will be important when he is faced with a bill to veto or not. He also stated that he will appoint judges that will look at the issue with a constitutional mind set, not with a bias.
I know that around this time of year, both sides promise more than they can deliver. Thats part of the politics involved during an election. I don't see eye to eye on every issue with McCain (abortion, gay marriage, drilling), but I do feel he will make a better choice for President over Obama. I looked into Nader as well this time around, and he is too liberal for me, even though he says hes an independent, hes too far left.
I do feel that he might not win the election this time around, because Obama has more superficial momentum then McCain. McCain is a rich old white guy, which doesn't scream change, where Obama is a young man from a poor minority background. McCain doesn't seem as personable as Obama, which will turn people off from voting for him. I don't care about a superficial image, whats important is the job he will do if he takes office. Don't get me wrong, Obama will be a great Senator if he stays in Washington, with a lot of intelligent ideas that can balance the special interest in Congress. I don't feel hes ready for the position.
Palin wasn't on the top of my list for VP, and the only reason they picked her was to offset this election. I'm just happy they didn't pick Mit Romney for VP, then I would vote Obama.
But I'm just one vote in the state of Connecticut...............
I'm voting for none of the above.
The difference here is that we have an immensely powerful federal government now so essentially they'd just hold a special meeting and decide amongst themselves and that wouldn't cause more than a few message boards to blow up.
Americans have virtually decided to give away all the personal responsiblity they can in the name of personal security. They want the freedom to change the channel. They want the freedom to choose Fridays or Chilis or Mcdonalds... and that's about the extent of it. Everything else they feel like they are entitled to once they reach a certain age. I'm not really sure what it would take for people in this country to desire liberty. Most voters are hell bent on a couple of issues, most of those are not issues the Federal government should be into in the first place.
good point
Bingo! And, you really have to hand it to them (GOP), they really know how to run and win national elections...what a great stragety.
However, I disagree with you that the election is over...I think it is very much up for grabs.
The reason why I say it's done is because There are more voters out there in small town America than in your major urban centers. Without even addressing the issues and what ideas they have to better this country, the McCain/Palin ticket has captured the hearts and minds of these people. It is a damn good strategy. McCain's own campaign manager said it, that personality not issues would win this election.
Its sad but true
The thing that's so infuriating about all this is that the GOP keeps running on their candidate being closer to that 'regular joe', connected to small-town American values (because people like me in the big cities are obviously baby-killing heathens) whereas the liberal, elite, snobbish Democratic candidates have nothing to do with the concerns of the working class.
Of course, the only candidate this year who was born into a well-to-do family with the silver spoon was John McCain. Likewise, could anyone imagine someone being further from a "regular guy" than George W. Bush? Yet he was the guy everyone "wanted to have a beer with." And it keeps working. Obama was still paying off college loans a few years ago, and McCain is married to a multi-millionare, and never had a lack of material stability in his life, but he is the "middle class" champion. I don't get so pissed at the GOP as the electorate on this one; anyone with a minute of spare time could easily see that this approach is a complete fallacy on the part of the GOP; but people either don't care to know or don't care that they're being lied to. It's something I'll never understand.
I'm not. There I said it, and I meant it.
To add to what you said, I am also frustrated with the way being an intellectual has been distorted into something negative. I'm sorry but I don't want someone who could be my drinking buddy running this country. I want an intellectual. It just seems that if couldn't play a part in the Hee Haw revival you aren't qualified to be our president.
I don't want him as my president either. I don't want either of them as my president so I don't really care who wins.
i would love someone to be president who would be my drinking buddy as long as they were able to do the job.
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
stop the passive-aggressive sarcastic bullshit.....you sound like a jerk