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ThecureThecure Posts: 814
edited October 2007 in A Moving Train
i have a feeling that it does not matter as really if the US and other countries want a start a war.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071018.wafghaniran1018/BNStory/Afghanistan/home
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  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    Thecure wrote:
    i have a feeling that it does not matter as really if the US and other countries want a start a war.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071018.wafghaniran1018/BNStory/Afghanistan/home

    what does it take for some people to believe that iran is guilty of supporting terrorism?
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • ThecureThecure Posts: 814
    810wmb wrote:
    what does it take for some people to believe that iran is guilty of supporting terrorism?

    my questions is not does iran support terrorism. my questions is does it matter. some people believe that this is news bias while others will say this is true.
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  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    810wmb wrote:
    what does it take for some people to believe that iran is guilty of supporting terrorism?


    Seems to me, that the capture of an Iranian convoy within the borders of Afghanistan full of weapons would be worthy of showing to the American public. It would damn sure help in separating the facts from unverifiable propaganda.

    Honestly, wouldn't you like to be able to say "look you liberal fucks" told you so!!!! SEE, SEE, do you SEEEEEE THIS?
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    puremagic wrote:
    Seems to me, that the capture of an Iranian convoy within the borders of Afghanistan full of weapons would be worthy of showing to the American public. It would damn sure help in separating the facts from unverifiable propaganda.

    Honestly, wouldn't you like to be able to say "look you liberal fucks" told you so!!!! SEE, SEE, do you SEEEEEE THIS?


    love to!
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  • darkcrowdarkcrow Posts: 1,102
    810wmb wrote:
    what does it take for some people to believe that iran is guilty of supporting terrorism?
    the us has been doing it for much longer
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  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    darkcrow wrote:
    the us has been doing it for much longer

    of course.........
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  • ThecureThecure Posts: 814
    darkcrow wrote:
    the us has been doing it for much longer

    how does one beat the other. is it impossible for 2 countries to support terrorists.

    or does one (US) make it OK for the other (Iran) to do it.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    810wmb wrote:
    what does it take for some people to believe that iran is guilty of supporting terrorism?


    Why is it OK for us or our allies to support terrorism, but not Iran?
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • ThecureThecure Posts: 814
    mammasan wrote:
    Why is it OK for us or our allies to support terrorism, but not Iran?

    why do we have to pick sides. can we say both sides are wrong.
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  • darkcrowdarkcrow Posts: 1,102
    Thecure wrote:
    how does one beat the other. is it impossible for 2 countries to support terrorists.

    or does one (US) make it OK for the other (Iran) to do it.
    im not saying one side is right while the other is wrong. both are wrong. i wasjust pointing out the usa is not innocent, and they actually do have nuclear missiles
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  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    810wmb wrote:
    love to!


    Yeah well, don't hold your breath.
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Thecure wrote:
    why do we have to pick sides. can we say both sides are wrong.

    That's the point I'm trying to make. The US government will criticize Iran for supporting terrorist organizations but at the sametime we are also doing the same. Maybe we should practice what we preach.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    darkcrow wrote:
    im not saying one side is right while the other is wrong. both are wrong. i wasjust pointing out the usa is not innocent, and they actually do have nuclear missiles

    The Defense Dept. has been running members of Mujahedeen-e Khalq (MEK), a group placed on the State Department's list of terrorist organizations back in 1997, for covert actions in Iran since as early as 2004.
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  • OpenOpen Posts: 792
    810wmb wrote:
    what does it take for some people to believe that iran is guilty of supporting terrorism?


    We are too for supporting Israel during the Lebanon crisis. I think the China should nuke us.
  • ThecureThecure Posts: 814
    darkcrow wrote:
    im not saying one side is right while the other is wrong. both are wrong. i wasjust pointing out the usa is not innocent, and they actually do have nuclear missiles

    i was responding to your first point that said that the US has been doing it alot longer and reading that comment to what you quoted. it looked like you said the reason that people don't believe that Iran is supporting Afgan is becasue the us has been doing it longer.
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  • ThecureThecure Posts: 814
    Open wrote:
    We are too for supporting Israel during the Lebanon crisis. I think the China should nuke us.

    yet again, it seems liek we are saying that because teh US supports terrorist it's Ok then that IRan does.

    let's try a test: instead of saying teh US does it or iran does it, lets try to find solution as to ways in which we can fix it ( if possible)
    People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Thecure wrote:
    yet again, it seems liek we are saying that because teh US supports terrorist it's Ok then that IRan does.

    let's try a test: instead of saying teh US does it or iran does it, lets try to find solution as to ways in which we can fix it ( if possible)

    No one is saying that because we do it it is OK for Iran to do it. I think people are pointing out the blatant hypocracy of the US. I'm pretty sure that I speak for everyone here when I say that none of us approves of any country supporting terrorism or terrorist organizations.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Thecure wrote:
    i have a feeling that it does not matter as really if the US and other countries want a start a war.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071018.wafghaniran1018/BNStory/Afghanistan/home
    ...
    Let's say that Iran invaded and occupied Mexico...
    Don't you think the U.S. would be shipping supplies to the Mexican insurgents fighting them there? Would that be wrong?
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  • ThecureThecure Posts: 814
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Let's say that Iran invaded and occupied Mexico...
    Don't you think the U.S. would be shipping supplies to the Mexican insurgents fighting them there? Would that be wrong?

    if you notice, the topic is Afganastan. some might say that this was not an invasion as it was a war. now if the topic was Iraq, i would agree with you.
    People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
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  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    810wmb wrote:
    what does it take for some people to believe that iran is guilty of supporting terrorism?


    Who was supplying Afgan when the Russians were there? The world is a pretty small place when your eyes are closed.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Thecure wrote:
    if you notice, the topic is Afganastan. some might say that this was not an invasion as it was a war. now if the topic was Iraq, i would agree with you.
    ...
    Iraq or Afghanistan... it doesn't matter.
    The point is... a nation with a different culture... different language comes from half way around the world has its military in your neighbor's yard. Is it bad to help your neighbor get rid of them?
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  • OpenOpen Posts: 792
    Thecure wrote:
    yet again, it seems liek we are saying that because teh US supports terrorist it's Ok then that IRan does.

    let's try a test: instead of saying teh US does it or iran does it, lets try to find solution as to ways in which we can fix it ( if possible)

    LIke its been pointed out before, it seems very hippocritical of us to point fingers while we're bathing in the mire ourselves.
  • ThecureThecure Posts: 814
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Iraq or Afghanistan... it doesn't matter.
    The point is... a nation with a different culture... different language comes from half way around the world has its military in your neighbor's yard. Is it bad to help your neighbor get rid of them?

    if it isn't bad then why hide it. why not and come out and say we arer helping these people.

    i don't think i have seen this happen yet.
    People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
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  • OpenOpen Posts: 792
    B/c some rogue president(aka bush) will proclaim u a threat and bomb the shit out of your country.
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    Open wrote:
    B/c some rogue president(aka bush) will proclaim u a threat and bomb the shit out of your country.

    well, if he was like some of these shits you support, he'd nerve gas dallas
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Thecure wrote:
    if it isn't bad then why hide it. why not and come out and say we arer helping these people.

    i don't think i have seen this happen yet.
    ...
    This is why:
    "B/c some rogue president(aka bush) will proclaim u a threat and bomb the shit out of your country."
    ...
    People here will label all of our opposition as 'Terrorists' and forget all about the fact that we have our military people waaaaaay the hell on the other side of the planet in their part of the world... looking out for OUR best interests, not theirs.
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  • OpenOpen Posts: 792
    810wmb wrote:
    well, if he was like some of these shits you support, he'd nerve gas dallas

    Hahaha...and lose all those republican votes in texas? Even he's not that dumb.
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    Open wrote:
    Hahaha...and lose all those republican votes in texas? Even he's not that dumb.

    too bad
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Iraq or Afghanistan... it doesn't matter.
    The point is... a nation with a different culture... different language comes from half way around the world has its military in your neighbor's yard. Is it bad to help your neighbor get rid of them?

    If your neighbor is an asshole, then yes it is bad to help him.

    Its perfectly logical for Iran to support anyone who attacks us. I understand this. that doesn't make it ok.

    Iran is basically setting themselves up as an enemy to America (weak as they are), and I live in America, and most of my friends and family live in America, so tell me why I should be ok with them supporting attacks on America again?
    Open wrote:
    We are too for supporting Israel during the Lebanon crisis. I think the China should nuke us.


    Thats a mighty powerful sense of morality you have there when you are ok with America getting attacked because we were bad. Fuck, I would think some sense of self preservation would kick in eventually. Your self loathing must know no bounds. Are you suicidal?
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    MrSmith wrote:
    If your neighbor is an asshole, then yes it is bad to help him.
    Its perfectly logical for Iran to support anyone who attacks us. I understand this. that doesn't make it ok.
    Iran is basically setting themselves up as an enemy to America (weak as they are), and I live in America, and most of my friends and family live in America, so tell me why I should be ok with them supporting attacks on America again?
    ...
    ...
    I'm not saying it's okay for Iran to back the Taliban or rebels in Afghanistan... just as it's not okay for us to support Opium warlords in Afghanistan to... both are bad guys. We just happen to choose the lesser of two evils. But, we should remember, Opium Warlords are always going to be Opium Warlords, not matter if we hate them less than the Taliban.
    And Iran has been the enemy of American since November 4, 1979. This is nothing new and we shouldn't be surprized. If we are surpized, then we are either fail to learn from history or just haven't been paying attention.
    As for worrying about America getting attacked... again. I am more concerned with the ones who attacked us the first time... Saudi Arabia.
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