Legalized Marijuana

MahoganySouls

There is a very valid argument that MJ is less harmful than alcohol or cigarettes. So, let's imagine that cannibis is legalized. Would that be enough? Or would it open the door for other, harder, addictive drugs to be legalized?

Zanne

It'd be enough for me. I can only answer for myself, though. The govt may as well legalize it and capitalize on it (taxes) as opposed to spending all that money trying to fight it.

MahoganySouls

So then would you agree to laws against driving or working while high on MJ? It does impair judgement like alcohol. So therefore wouldn't be safe to indulge and drive and wouldn't belong in the work place.

gue_barium

MahoganySouls wrote:

So then would you agree to laws against driving or working while high on MJ? It does impair judgement like alcohol. So therefore wouldn't be safe to indulge and drive and wouldn't belong in the work place.

That's a lie.

boxwine_in_hell

MahoganySouls wrote:

There is a very valid argument that MJ is less harmful than alcohol or cigarettes. So, let's imagine that cannibis is legalized. Would that be enough? Or would it open the door for other, harder, addictive drugs to be legalized?

Peter Tosh said it all.

Boston MA

MahoganySouls wrote:

So then would you agree to laws against driving or working while high on MJ? It does impair judgement like alcohol. So therefore wouldn't be safe to indulge and drive and wouldn't belong in the work place.

There are already laws against driving under the influence in all 50 states that would not end with legal sales, legal possession of marijuana by adults. You can take oxycontin by prescription or booze it up legally but you are still at subject to get nailed for OUI. Most experienced marijuana smokers don't get caught because it really has little effect. Much like drinking a cup of coffee. small buzz but nothing that alters your motor skills or perception or driving unlike oxy and booze!!! That's the truth.

Most accidents are from speed, booze or inexperience. Not pot. First time younger users driving is a different story of course....

You do realize that not all drugs are the same right? Aspirin, caffeine, nicotine, after all are fine drugs to be on while driving! I wouldn't suggest booze and driving that's obvious, so you can see not all drugs are the same...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IA7_ajF741I
UK's SPEED TV- TESTING STONED DRIVERS, DRIVE BETTER THAN STRAIGHT.

Boston MA

MahoganySouls wrote:

So then would you agree to laws against driving or working while high on MJ? It does impair judgement like alcohol. So therefore wouldn't be safe to indulge and drive and wouldn't belong in the work place.

Booze is legal do you indulge in case loads of it and drive free of fear of the police?

MahoganySouls

gue_barium wrote:

That's a lie.

Really? In what is this a lie?

Does or does not MJ effect your brain to make you feel and behave out of your norm?

I'll answer for you. Yes it does. Otherwise there would be no "enjoyment" from the drug.

Therefore, since it alters perception. Alters judgement. Alters reflex action. Alters congnitive abilities. It should therefore be regulated comparably to alcohol. A similiar legalized drug.

If you inhale, don't drive. If you inhale, don't operate heavy machinery. Don't inhale on the job. Don't inhale in the presence of children. Etc. Stiff penalties should apply just as they do for alcohol consumption.

gue_barium

Boston, MA wrote:

Booze is legal do you indulge in case loads of it and drive free of fear of the police?

re: mahagonysouls

haha. it's not like interjecting lies for one's political agenda isn't a little unhealthy in and of itself.

catefrances

MahoganySouls wrote:

There is a very valid argument that MJ is less harmful than alcohol or cigarettes. So, let's imagine that cannibis is legalized. Would that be enough? Or would it open the door for other, harder, addictive drugs to be legalized?

it shouldn't open the door. we're talking about a PLANT for fuck's sake. it grows anywhere. why shouldn't it be legal? or more to the point, WHY is it ILLEGAL?

MahoganySouls

Boston, MA wrote:

You do realize that not all drugs are the same right? Aspirin, caffeine, nicotine, after all are fine drugs to be on while driving! I wouldn't suggest booze and driving that's obvious, so you can see not all drugs are the same.

MJ is not in the same classification of drugs as Aspirin, Caffeine or Nicotine.

For future reference. Do not talk to me condescendingly.

gue_barium

MahoganySouls wrote:

Really? In what is this a lie?

Does or does not MJ effect your brain to make you feel and behave out of your norm?

I'll answer for you. Yes it does. Otherwise there would be no "enjoyment" from the drug.

Therefore, since it alters perception. Alters judgement. Alters reflex action. Alters congnitive abilities. It should therefore be regulated comparably to alcohol. A similiar legalized drug.

If you inhale, don't drive. If you inhale, don't operate heavy machinery. Don't inhale on the job. Don't inhale in the presence of children. Etc. Stiff penalties should apply just as they do for alcohol consumption.

You're such a shmuck. It isn't that I'm advocating OUI... I do know from personal experience that driving stoned is pretty much the same as driving sober. At the same time, from personal experience, driving shitfaced can really be a hazard. The two just don't compare, from my own experience.

And, apparently the test posted above concurs.

MahoganySouls

gue_barium wrote:

re: mahagonysouls

haha. it's not like interjecting lies for one's political agenda isn't a little unhealthy in and of itself.

and what exactly is it you think my "political agenda" is?

Boston MA

I'm curious when did seeds become a drug? Anybody that can answer that knows their stuff.

gue_barium

MahoganySouls wrote:

and what exactly is it you think my "political agenda" is?

Laws that support your views enforced by the gun and the jail.

Of course, there's always the stop off for "treatment" for those wanting a more lenient sentence.

MahoganySouls

catefrances wrote:

it shouldn't open the door. we're talking about a PLANT for fuck's sake. it grows anywhere. why shouldn't it be legal? or more to the point, WHY is it ILLEGAL?

Opium is a plant derivitive as well. Should it be legal too?

gue_barium

MahoganySouls wrote:

and what exactly is it you think my "political agenda" is?

Mythologizing marijuana. Why? I have no idea to be honest.

MahoganySouls

gue_barium wrote:

Laws that support your views enforced by the gun and the jail.

Of course, there's always the stop off for "treatment" for those wanting a more lenient sentence.

Well since I do not own a gun and do not use police to enforce my personal views, I fail to see how this applies to me.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

MJ affects people in different ways. and it can definately slow one's reaction time if you smoke enough. I don't see a problem with using the same basic DUI laws as alcohol.

gue_barium

MahoganySouls wrote:

Opium is a plant derivitive as well. Should it be legal too?

Opium Poppy is a plant. Papaver somniferum. I love the shit. It's a beautiful plant. They still grow it at Monticello in Virginia as in Jefferson's time.

I've never done heroin.

gue_barium

MahoganySouls wrote:

Well since I do not own a gun and do not use police to enforce my personal views, I fail to see how this applies to me.

Well, then please, give us your message. Is it, "hey y'all don't smoke pot and drive." ?

Or is it, "I'm going to milk this thread for what it's worth cuz since I said marijuana is bad, people are gonna argue all over this shit since I'm above it all to begin with." ?

Newsflash.

I don't smoke pot, either.

You're a troll.

catefrances

MahoganySouls wrote:

Opium is a plant derivitive as well. Should it be legal too?

if it is consumed in its NATURAL state then i'd have to say yes. oh and you said DERIVATIVE. that's not natural now is it?

boxwine_in_hell

catefrances wrote:

it shouldn't open the door. we're talking about a PLANT for fuck's sake. it grows anywhere. why shouldn't it be legal? or more to the point, WHY is it ILLEGAL?

I'm going to have to quote the late, great Bill Hicks here.

"Doesn't making something that grows naturally all over the planet, against the law seem.....I don't know....unnatural?"

MahoganySouls

The message was this Que in case you missed it..."There is a very valid argument that MJ is less harmful than alcohol or cigarettes. So, let's imagine that cannibis is legalized. Would that be enough? Or would it open the door for other, harder, addictive drugs to be legalized?" followed by "So then would you agree to laws against driving or working while high on MJ? It does impair judgement like alcohol. So therefore wouldn't be safe to indulge and drive and wouldn't belong in the work place"

Broken down to simple language:
1. MJ effects the brain and alters perception and/or behavior. As does alcohol.
2. We already have laws regarding acceptable alcohol use. These should apply to legalized MJ use as well.

End of story. Stop trying to read into something that isn't there.

gue_barium

MahoganySouls wrote:

The message was this Que in case you missed it..."There is a very valid argument that MJ is less harmful than alcohol or cigarettes. So, let's imagine that cannibis is legalized. Would that be enough? Or would it open the door for other, harder, addictive drugs to be legalized?" followed by "So then would you agree to laws against driving or working while high on MJ? It does impair judgement like alcohol. So therefore wouldn't be safe to indulge and drive and wouldn't belong in the work place"

Broken down to simple language:
1. MJ effects the brain and alters perception and/or behavior. As does alcohol.
2. We already have laws regarding acceptable alcohol use. These should apply to legalized MJ use as well.

End of story. Stop trying to read into something that isn't there.

I'm asking you, are you saying your message then is, "don't smoke pot and drive!"

woopdeefucking doo

troll.

Anon

catefrances wrote:

it shouldn't open the door. we're talking about a PLANT for fuck's sake. it grows anywhere. why shouldn't it be legal? or more to the point, WHY is it ILLEGAL?

i know. i don't get it either. there are hundreds of alcohol overdose deaths each year, yet there has never been a marijuana overdose death in history.

alcohol = legal, pot = illegal. makes no sense at all.

Collin

There's not a single reason why marijuana should be illegal. It's a plant, making it illegal makes you a fascist.

MahoganySouls wrote:

So then would you agree to laws against driving or working while high on MJ? It does impair judgement like alcohol. So therefore wouldn't be safe to indulge and drive and wouldn't belong in the work place.

Yes. One glass of wine won't have much effect on your driving skills, I think. And, in most cases, it won't make you a danger in the work place. However, if you drink a bottle of wine, chances are a little higher. Same thing goes for marijuana, in my opinion.

I don't really care what laws they make, but making a plant illegal is ridiculous. If anyone can give me one good reason why I shouldn't be able to light a joint in my backyard when I please?

jlew24asu

I don't know if I would support totally legalizing it, but it is absolutely ridiculous thats its not used for medical purposes.

Drowned Out

MahoganySouls wrote:

The message was this Que in case you missed it..."There is a very valid argument that MJ is less harmful than alcohol or cigarettes. So, let's imagine that cannibis is legalized. Would that be enough? Or would it open the door for other, harder, addictive drugs to be legalized?"

I would hope so. But unfortunately, I think I’m in the minority on that….so…if the democratic process was allowed to do it’s thing…then no.

MahoganySouls wrote:

followed by "So then would you agree to laws against driving or working while high on MJ? It does impair judgement like alcohol. So therefore wouldn't be safe to indulge and drive and wouldn't belong in the work place"

I don’t support any form of pre-incident drug testing…but if a test were developed that measured impairment caused by mj, not just levels in your blood, I wouldn’t have a problem with that test being administered to suspect drivers, or to people with hazardous occupations (should the company make it policy).

Boston MA

MahoganySouls wrote:

Opium is a plant derivitive as well. Should it be legal too?

Mahogany Souls once again shows, they haven't the foggiest idea of what they are talking about.

Poppy, the plant that is used to make opium is 100% legal! As long you don't grow it to make heroin.

Boston MA

Drowned Out wrote:

I would hope so. But unfortunately, I think I’m in the minority on that….so…if the democratic process was allowed to do it’s thing…then no.

I don’t support any form of pre-incident drug testing…but if a test were developed that measured impairment caused by mj, not just levels in your blood, I wouldn’t have a problem with that test being administered to suspect drivers, or to people with hazardous occupations (should the company make it policy).

65%+ of Americans want to see cannabis decriminalized, we are the strong majority. We typically get 65-70% of voters to vote for it in Mass.