Obama calls Grandmother.....

slightofjeff

cornnifer wrote:

Oh, i agree. What has me pissed off is the fact that it wasn't Obama who drew that "line in the sand". As a matter of fact he tried to erase it. It wasn't until he started doing well and looking very much like he would win, that the media, taking talking points from sean fucking hannity and Rush "i need an oxycontin" Limbaugh, drew the line and now have purposefully tried to place him on one side of it in order to mariginalize him and tap into that underlying racism ansd white fear that is still so prevalent in today's American society. Two weeks ago, shit, one week ago, if Obama were to lose i would not have blamed it on racism. At this point, i have no choice. This line of attack is racist. There is no way around it. Marginalize the Black guy and scare the good white folks.

Any conspiracy theory that begins with the mainstream media taking marching orders from its mortal enemy (Rush and Hannity) is fatally flawed in my book.

Seriously? The New York Times listening to Rush? "Limbaugh's right, let's crush Obama." That's rich. If anything, the media is openly rooting for Obama.

This shit has nothing to do with Obama being black. It has everything to do with him being linked to crackpots.

Maybe that's not important to you, and that's fine. But why is it every time someone comes after Obama, it's because of "racism?" This is exactly what Geraldine Ferraro was talking about. You can't debate Obama's beliefs, because if you disagree, you're labeled a racist.

Why can't some of you Obamaniacs understand that some of us don't like Obama as a candidate AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW HE LOOKS? It has to do with who he is and what he believes and what he might believe.

RainDog

"She is extremely proud, and the point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn’t. But she is a typical white person who, you know, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know, there is a reaction that has been bred into our experiences that don’t go away and sometimes come out in the wrong way. That’s the nature of race in our society, and we have to break through it. And what makes me optimistic is you see each generation feeling a little less like that, and that’s pretty powerful stuff."

As a white person myself (technically I'm a mix, but let's not pretend I'm not considered white), I find absolutely nothing wrong with that statement in context. In fact, I think he's right.

cornnifer

slightofjeff wrote:

Any conspiracy theory that begins with the mainstream media taking marching orders from its mortal enemy (Rush and Hannity) is fatally flawed in my book.

Seriously? The New York Times listening to Rush? "Limbaugh's right, let's crush Obama." That's rich. If anything, the media is openly rooting for Obama.

This shit has nothing to do with Obama being black. It has everything to do with him being linked to crackpots.

Maybe that's not important to you, and that's fine. But why is it every time someone comes after Obama, it's because of "racism?" This is exactly what Geraldine Ferraro was talking about. You can't debate Obama's beliefs, because if you disagree, you're labeled a racist.

Why can't some of you Obamaniacs understand that some of us don't like Obama as a candidate AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW HE LOOKS? It has to do with who he is and what he believes and what he might believe.

Bullfuckingshit. i just got through saying that a week a go, i wouldn't have thought an Obama loss we be because of racism. Disagree with his political platform and i can't accuse you of racism (just of being unimformed ). THIS line of attacks is racist. Period. And it comes straight from the spiral notebook of guys like hannity who have been blabbing about this stupid, racist, bullshit for a fucking year now.

ledvedderman

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

At least RP was smart enough not to actually say them on record...lol

but nice try...

Yeah, Obama has how many racist remarks on the record? None?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

RainDog wrote:

"She is extremely proud, and the point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn’t. But she is a typical white person who, you know, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know, there is a reaction that has been bred into our experiences that don’t go away and sometimes come out in the wrong way. That’s the nature of race in our society, and we have to break through it. And what makes me optimistic is you see each generation feeling a little less like that, and that’s pretty powerful stuff."

As a white person myself (technically I'm a mix, but let's not pretend I'm not considered white), I find absolutely nothing wrong with that statement in context. In fact, I think he's right.

Why the hell would he even say this is what I'm wondering....

Is this guy slipping over this whole race issue or what?

anotherclone

RainDog wrote:

"She is extremely proud, and the point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn’t. But she is a typical white person who, you know, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know, there is a reaction that has been bred into our experiences that don’t go away and sometimes come out in the wrong way. That’s the nature of race in our society, and we have to break through it. And what makes me optimistic is you see each generation feeling a little less like that, and that’s pretty powerful stuff."

As a white person myself (technically I'm a mix, but let's not pretend I'm not considered white), I find absolutely nothing wrong with that statement in context. In fact, I think he's right.

I was thinking about this on my drive into work today and I was analyzing how I felt about the grandmother comment and I came to the same conclusion.

I think its the "truth" that makes people so pissed off and suspicious about Obama.

What people are so afraid of, I have NO idea.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

ledvedderman wrote:

Yeah, Obama has how many racist remarks on the record? None?

Uhm OP??

"typical white person" remark?

earth to lvm...earth to lvm...

ledvedderman

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Uhm OP??

"typical white person" remark?

earth to lvm...earth to lvm...

Earth to Roland... OBAMA IS HALF WHITE ...

RainDog

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Why the hell would he even say this is what I'm wondering....

Is this guy slipping over this whole race issue or what?

So it's not true? Would it have been better if the line read "She's typical of her generation, who, you know...."

The whole country is slipping over the race issue, like it or not.

Most people don't have a problem if they hear one of their friends say about someone else, "oh, he's this black person I know" or "he's this Asian person I know." But "oh, he's this white person I know"? To many, that sounds a little jarring, as Obama's quote proves.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

ledvedderman wrote:

Earth to Roland... OBAMA IS HALF WHITE ...

Yeah you said that already... it makes no sense.. Do I have to go over physical appearances, and how words are interpreted, and how potential presidents are scrutinized by what they say and do?

Take off the I love Obama shades, do him a favor, and go tell him not to make it so easy for Hillary...

RolandTD20Kdrummer

RainDog wrote:

So it's not true? Would it have been better if the line read "She's typical of her generation, who, you know...."

The whole country is slipping over the race issue, like it or not.

Most people don't have a problem if they hear one of their friends say about someone else, "oh, he's this black person I know" or "he's this Asian person I know." But "oh, he's this white person I know"? To many, that sounds a little jarring, as Obama's quote proves.

I would avoid the whole ting like the plague, but they got the dirt on his pastor so up the flagpole it goes...

but geez I would stop verbally adding to it if I were him...

RainDog

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I would avoid the whole ting like the plague, but they got the dirt on his pastor so up the flagpole it goes...

but geez I would stop verbally adding to it if I were him...

Yes, he broke the general rule that "white is neutral, and therefore shouldn't be mentioned." It was a "mistake", a "gaff." But think about why is was a mistake or a gaff.

pjalive21

cornnifer wrote:

Oh, please.
When Obama's grandmother was young, being fearful of a black guy walking down the street was in fact a VERY typical white response. Acknowledging racism doesn't make one a racist.

how is being afraid of one group of people being a racist???

im afraid of snakes, am i a snake racist?

the fact of the matter as Obama explained it but of course you wont bring it up is that his grandmother was afraid of the crime that african americans were committing at the time and she was afraid of that...did you miss that part?

and to say "typical white person" is racist, no matter how you spin it

Obama has a stronghold on alot of you that is scary...

Im still here

cornnifer wrote:

Bullfuckingshit. i just got through saying that a week a go, i wouldn't have thought an Obama loss we be because of racism. Disagree with his political platform and i can't accuse you of racism (just of being unimformed ). THIS line of attacks is racist. Period. And it comes straight from the spiral notebook of guys like hannity who have been blabbing about this stupid, racist, bullshit for a fucking year now.

I am in no way racist and I posted this

I just don't believe Obama is the Messiah sent to save us all

Maybe, just maybe you will wake from your Obama slumber and see what he's all about

Till then, you will keep going down with the ship

cornnifer

pjalive21 wrote:

how is being afraid of one group of people being a racist???

im afraid of snakes, am i a snake racist?

the fact of the matter as Obama explained it but of course you wont bring it up is that his grandmother was afraid of the crime that african americans were committing at the time and she was afraid of that...did you miss that part?

and to say "typical white person" is racist, no matter how you spin it

Obama has a stronghold on alot of you that is scary...

First of all Obama didn't say the typical white person is racist. Not even close. You are the one spinning it
Second of all, are you suggesting that all crime was being committed by African Americans?
i'm terrified of spiders. Scared to death of them. Absolutely phobic. Your analogy works against you because my fear of spiders and yours of snakes, is irrational. In indicates a one sided prejudicial view of spiders and snakes, respectively, and a general misunderstanding of snakes and spiders.
Finally, you know this shit has gotten out of hand when guys at fox news, of all places, start walking of the set because of it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/mayhem-at-fox-news-ancho_n_92743.html

cornnifer

Im still here wrote:

I am in no way racist

i disagree.

pjalive21

cornnifer wrote:

First of all Obama didn't say the typical white person is racist. Not even close. You are the one spinning it
Second of all, are you suggesting that all crime was being committed by African Americans?
i'm terrified of spiders. Scared to death of them. Absolutely phobic. Your analogy works against you because my fear of spiders and yours of snakes, is irrational. In indicates a one sided prejudicial view of spiders and snakes, respectively, and a general misunderstanding of snakes and spiders.
Finally, you know this shit has gotten out of hand when guys at fox news, of all places, start walking of the set because of it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/mayhem-at-fox-news-ancho_n_92743.html

you lost all credibility using the huffington post!!!!!!!

he used the "typical white person" analogy referencing white people during that period of time, but to say that every white person was like that is assasine...yeah there was racism, i dont deny that at all, but to group all white people in like that is wrong

using words like typical, most, all, majority...you get the point is setting yourself up for trouble especially when you dont have facts and figures to back it up

cornnifer

pjalive21 wrote:

you lost all credibility using the huffington post!!!!!!!

he used the "typical white person" analogy referencing white people during that period of time, but to say that every white person was like that is assasine...yeah there was racism, i dont deny that at all, but to group all white people in like that is wrong

using words like typical, most, all, majority...you get the point is setting yourself up for trouble especially when you dont have facts and figures to back it up

The link wasn't to a huffington post opinion piece. It was a simple news article. At least one anchor walked off the set and another chastised the network in response to their biased spin of this shit. When the guys at FOX NEWS respond this way, you know it has gotten out of hand.
Its a news story. Not an opinion piece. The fact that huffington post is the host to this particular link doesn't make it less news worthy.

jeffbr

cornnifer wrote:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/mayhem-at-fox-news-ancho_n_92743.html

Thanks for the link. I hadn't heard this, yet.

I chalk up "typical white person" to a Bushism. It was a silly thing to say, and as Chris Wallace said in one of the clips above, he probably wouldn't say it again, but he didn't mean it the way it sounded out of context.

Im still here

cornnifer wrote:

i disagree.

well you would be wrong

....as usual