What does CHANGE mean to Barack Obama?

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prism wrote:

where do you get this shit? show a reliable link that shows where he has stated that he plans to redeploy the troops.



Bring Our Troops Home: Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats.

http://obama.senate.gov/press/070515-obama_statement_57/index.php

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Drawing down our troops in Iraq will allow us to redeploy additional troops to Northern Iraq and elsewhere in the region as an over-the-horizon force. This force could help prevent the conflict in Iraq from becoming a wider war, consolidate gains in Northern Iraq, reassure allies in the Gulf, allow our troops to strike directly at al Qaeda wherever it may exist, and demonstrate to international terrorist organizations that they have not driven us from the region.

http://www.barackobama.com/2006/11/20/a_way_forward_in_iraq.php

prism

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http://obama.senate.gov/press/070515-obama_statement_57/index.php

please learn how to read.



Tuesday, May 15, 2007


Today, 1518 days after it began, the war in Iraq rages on, with no sign of a resolution.”

“The Iraqi people appear no closer to the settling their differences. The Iraqi government is more divided and dysfunctional than ever. The Iraqi parliament speaks of adjourning for the summer, without addressing the major issues standing in the way of a ceasefire. And our brave young servicemen and women are still fighting and dying to police someone else's civil war.”

“I opposed this war from the start for all the reasons that are now clear.”

“In January, I introduced a plan that already would have begun redeploying our troops out of Iraq, with the goal of removing all of our combat troops by March 31. But it also would offer enough flexibility to delay our exit in the event that the Iraqis responded with meaningful steps toward peace. I still believe in that approach, which the President vetoed earlier this month. Ultimately, I think it will become the framework for a bipartisan coalition the President can't resist.”

“Today, I have reintroduced that plan.”

“Tomorrow, I expect cloture votes on two other proposals. One is the Reid-Feingold plan, which would begin a withdrawal of troops in 120 days and end all combat operations on April 1. The other is Senator Levin's proposal, which would create standards and benchmarks for additional funding.”

“I will support both, not because I believe either is the best answer, but because I want to send a strong statement to the Iraqi government, the President and my Republican colleagues that it's long past time to change course.”

“Meanwhile, I'll continue to press for my own plan, and work to find the 16 votes in the Senate to pass it with a veto-proof majority and bring our troops home quickly, safely and responsibly.”

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I introduced a plan that already would have begun redeploying our troops out of Iraq.

Out of Iraq does not mean home.

Redployment does not mean home.

He actually contradicts himself in the same statement.

Typical politician (Change = same old shit?)

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Im still here wrote:

Drawing down our troops in Iraq will allow us to redeploy additional troops to Northern Iraq and elsewhere in the region as an over-the-horizon force. This force could help prevent the conflict in Iraq from becoming a wider war, consolidate gains in Northern Iraq, reassure allies in the Gulf, allow our troops to strike directly at al Qaeda wherever it may exist, and demonstrate to international terrorist organizations that they have not driven us from the region.

http://www.barackobama.com/2006/11/20/a_way_forward_in_iraq.php

Did you read this one?

prism

Im still here wrote:

I introduced a plan that already would have begun redeploying our troops out of Iraq.

Out of Iraq does not mean home.

Redployment does not mean home.

He actually contradicts himself in the same statement.

Typical politician (Change = same old shit?)

you failed to comprehend the last paragraph that i highlighted.

“Meanwhile, I'll continue to press for my own plan, and work to find the 16 votes in the Senate to pass it with a veto-proof majority and bring our troops home quickly, safely and responsibly.”

prism

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Did you read this one?

yes, I read the whole thing. you took one paragraph of it out of context, thus making your claim not amount to a hill of beans

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prism wrote:

you failed to comprehend the last paragraph that i highlighted.

“Meanwhile, I'll continue to press for my own plan, and work to find the 16 votes in the Senate to pass it with a veto-proof majority and bring our troops home quickly, safely and responsibly.”

I did comprehend it

and it struck me as a typical Politician

He actually contradicts himself in the same statement.

You are just in denial that he changes his stances like he changes his underwear

thus, Obama = the same old shit

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Im still here wrote:

Drawing down our troops in Iraq will allow us to redeploy additional troops to Northern Iraq and elsewhere in the region as an over-the-horizon force. This force could help prevent the conflict in Iraq from becoming a wider war, consolidate gains in Northern Iraq, reassure allies in the Gulf, allow our troops to strike directly at al Qaeda wherever it may exist, and demonstrate to international terrorist organizations that they have not driven us from the region.

http://www.barackobama.com/2006/11/20/a_way_forward_in_iraq.php

so you are sayin he didn't mean this?

sweet adeline

hey i'm still here, why do you have such a hard on for obama? you've started like 5 threads ripping on the guy.

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sweet adeline wrote:

hey i'm still here, why do you have such a hard on for obama? you've started like 5 threads ripping on the guy.

Probably has to do with this blind love for the guy.

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sweet adeline wrote:

hey i'm still here, why do you have such a hard on for obama? you've started like 5 threads ripping on the guy.

I don't think a hard on would be the appropriate word.....

I just feel like people should know what he stands for, this fake change mantra, his CFR membership or at the least his pandering to the CFR, his stance on the WAR (wishy washy at best), and his Corporate Backers.

Every one is so blinded by his charismatic way......

I'd just like people to see him for what he really is (nothing he says he stands for)

Did I answer your questions?

PS: I won't lie it pisses me off that he is endorsed by everyone in Pearl Jam, except for Ed. Seems to me Ed is the smartest one of the bunch.